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5/2/2012 7:11:54 AM
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Who knows anything about dry ice and/or drug sniffing dogs?
I'll be going to [url=http://www.bonnaroo.com/]Bonnaroo[/url] this year (anyone else???) and I think I'll be using dry ice to keep my coolers... cool. I've heard filling the bottom of the cooler with dry ice, then a towel, then like water bottles, then a towel, the the rest of your items (burgers, brats, ketchup mostly) would keep everything cool for a while.
Does anyone have any experience with this, or dry ice in general? I guess I'm wondering how much dry ice do you think would last how long in the bottom of a cooler?
Also, the plan is to bring some weed with us, too. Volunteers search your car, and they're usually pretty lax about that stuff. But there is a possibility that drug-sniffing dogs will be there, and I'm not taking any chances. I know dogs are next to impossible to beat, but I'll be damned if I don't get as close as possible.
So far, the plan is to put the weed at the bottom of the cooler, then a towel, then the dry ice, then everything else. My questions: anyone know what extreme cold would do to weed? Anyone know how the cold would effect the smell?
Mods, if that last bit about the drugs is a party foul, please just let me know or edit it out rather than locking the thread.
Thanks guys!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frnksnbns That constitutes a "search." Cops need probable cause or a warrant to do that search. For example, police cannot walk around the streets with drug dogs randomly sniffing people for drugs.[/quote] The Supreme Court held in United States v. Place (462 U.S. 696 (1983)) that using a well-trained narcotics dog to sniff out the presence of narcotics does [b]not[/b] constitute a search under the Fourth Amendment. Therefore, neither cause nor warrant are needed for tests of that manner. Plus, it seems that from what the OP is saying that in order to be granted entry into this event, you must consent to search of your vehicle, person, and possibly other containers or personal effects. That allows for searches on the level of those deemed unreasonable without a warrant... without a warrant. OP, don't take your ganja.
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This is going to end badly...
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Dry ice coolers are a great idea, but bring something to dig them out in case. Last time I did this everything got frozen in.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frnksnbns That constitutes a "search." Cops need probable cause or a warrant to do that search. For example, police cannot walk around the streets with drug dogs randomly sniffing people for drugs.[/quote] No, police officers can't walk around with their dogs smelling everyone. They need to have a reason to have dogs. Once they do have the dogs, the next step for a search is for the dogs to alert the handler. If that happens, police officers have a right to search a vehicle, if that's all that could be reasonable assumed the dog indicated, or a person, if the dog, say, sat down next to a person when commanded to search.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frnksnbns [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Pinata [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frnksnbns A dog barking isn't probable cause[/quote] It is when it's specifically trained to find drugs.[/quote] That constitutes a "search." Cops need probable cause or a warrant to do that search. For example, police cannot walk around the streets with drug dogs randomly sniffing people for drugs. [/quote] If you've bothered to read their terms, illegal substance use is prohibited and that you consent to a search when you enter.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frnksnbns [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Pinata [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frnksnbns A dog barking isn't probable cause[/quote] It is when it's specifically trained to find drugs.[/quote] That constitutes a "search." Cops need probable cause or a warrant to do that search. For example, police cannot walk around the streets with drug dogs randomly sniffing people for drugs. [/quote] So drug dogs checking for drugs on people entering the grounds of a music festival would not give probable cause to search someone? That doesn't sound stupid to you?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Pinata [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frnksnbns A dog barking isn't probable cause[/quote] It is when it's specifically trained to find drugs.[/quote] That constitutes a "search." Cops need probable cause or a warrant to do that search. For example, police cannot walk around the streets with drug dogs randomly sniffing people for drugs.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frnksnbns A dog barking isn't probable cause[/quote] It is when it's specifically trained to find drugs.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mityman50 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade The best I've found for hiding smell is those waterproof sacs you can get. Though that's only because they are completely air tight. So nothing gets in or out. [url=http://sharedreviews.com/review/ems-dry-pack-practical-for-portaging]Like this[/url]. The ones where you roll the top down are the best. As you can roll them many times to seal it better. You can get them in several sizes.[/quote] Nice! That would probably be where I'd want to start. If you don't mind me asking, is this something you're familiar with, personally? Anyways, thanks for the advice! Squig, again, I really appreciate your concern. I've given this a lot of thought for the past month, and I've flip-flopped on whether or not I would bring any. But I think I've finally settled on my final answer.[/quote] No I have never had to deal with drug dogs. So I can not say how well it would work. But I haven't found anything else that blocks smell as well as those do.
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Put it in your cooler with coffee beans. The dogs can't sniff through the coffee bean odor. I know... people who need to hide smells in the postal system. Coffee always works.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frnksnbns [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mityman50 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frnksnbns Keep the weed in your pocket where the security and cops have no right to look without a warrant. The security can pat you down looking for weapons, but cops cannot search you for drugs without your consent or probable cause, so don't give them either. [/quote] Probable cause would be given when the dogs start barking at me. Not to mention, we're not talking about an eighth here :)[/quote] Eh. You sound a bit paranoid. If you're smart, you'll be fine. I made it through countless Phish shows and many other concerts without any problems from security. You need to know your rights. A dog barking isn't probable cause, and the chance that a cop is going to try to claim that is slim. Just be chill and drive up to the venue sober. And make sure your friends are acting chill and not all drunk or something. [/quote] I'm definitely paranoid, and for good reason. But yeah, totally, literally everything you've said is stuff we've discussed. We just want to be absolutely certain when it comes to the smell.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mityman50 Squig, again, I really appreciate your concern. I've given this a lot of thought for the past month, and I've flip-flopped on whether or not I would bring any. But I think I've finally settled on my final answer.[/quote]Then a final word of advice, put something extremely strong smelling, possibly a bit out of the ordinary, in your cooler, to try and cover the smell from the dog.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mityman50 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frnksnbns Keep the weed in your pocket where the security and cops have no right to look without a warrant. The security can pat you down looking for weapons, but cops cannot search you for drugs without your consent or probable cause, so don't give them either. [/quote] Probable cause would be given when the dogs start barking at me. Not to mention, we're not talking about an eighth here :)[/quote] Eh. You sound a bit paranoid. If you're smart, you'll be fine. I made it through countless Phish shows and many other concerts without any problems from security. You need to know your rights. A dog barking isn't probable cause, and the chance that a cop is going to try to claim that is slim. Just be chill and drive up to the venue sober. And make sure your friends are acting chill and not all drunk or something.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade The best I've found for hiding smell is those waterproof sacs you can get. Though that's only because they are completely air tight. So nothing gets in or out. [url=http://sharedreviews.com/review/ems-dry-pack-practical-for-portaging]Like this[/url]. The ones where you roll the top down are the best. As you can roll them many times to seal it better. You can get them in several sizes.[/quote] Nice! That would probably be where I'd want to start. If you don't mind me asking, is this something you're familiar with, personally? Anyways, thanks for the advice! Squig, again, I really appreciate your concern. I've given this a lot of thought for the past month, and I've flip-flopped on whether or not I would bring any. But I think I've finally settled on my final answer. [Edited on 05.01.2012 11:29 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mityman50 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Squiggy Ohgod, mity, I just realized it's you, why would you do that?[/quote] Haha... yeah man, it's what I do. C'mon, is anyone here [i]actually[/i] going to judge for these things? Besides, Bonnaroo is practically Woodstock of today. I'm not saying that makes it right, I'm just saying it's not like I'm bringing shame to the Bonnaroo name. Can we all just keep our opinions out of this? This is how flame wars start; this is how threads get locked, and how the Flood gets a bad name.[/quote]I'm not shouting out my opinion here, but I'd advise you to not bring drugs around places you know there will be drug dogs. The way they train them is to make their toys smell like drugs, and get them to recognize the smell. When they smell the drugs, they think it's their toy, and want to get to it.
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The best I've found for hiding smell is those waterproof sacs you can get. Though that's only because they are completely air tight. So nothing gets in or out. [url=http://sharedreviews.com/review/ems-dry-pack-practical-for-portaging]Like this[/url]. The ones where you roll the top down are the best. As you can roll them many times to seal it better. You can get them in several sizes.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Squiggy Ohgod, mity, I just realized it's you, why would you do that?[/quote] Haha... yeah man, it's what I do. C'mon, is anyone here [i]actually[/i] going to judge for these things? Besides, Bonnaroo is practically Woodstock of today. I'm not saying that makes it right, I'm just saying it's not like I'm bringing shame to the Bonnaroo name. Can we all just keep our opinions out of this? This is how flame wars start; this is how threads get locked, and how the Flood gets a bad name. To the post above, you're absolutely right. But I don't know the quality, the price... or how long it could take to find some. It's something I've decided I'd rather not deal with; I would rather take my chances. [Edited on 05.01.2012 11:24 PM PDT]
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From what I saw on the website you could probably just buy the weed there OP.
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Ohgod, mity, I just realized it's you, why would you do that?
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Drugs/alcohol are bad for you OP.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frnksnbns Keep the weed in your pocket where the security and cops have no right to look without a warrant. The security can pat you down looking for weapons, but cops cannot search you for drugs without your consent or probable cause, so don't give them either. [/quote] Drug sniffing dogs barking at your pocket gives them all the probable cause they need. Best advice, don't bring your damn weed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frnksnbns Keep the weed in your pocket where the security and cops have no right to look without a warrant. The security can pat you down looking for weapons, but cops cannot search you for drugs without your consent or probable cause, so don't give them either. [/quote] Probable cause would be given when the dogs start barking at me. Not to mention, we're not talking about an eighth here :)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Hero of Time [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arbiter 739 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Hero of Time Hide the weed in your ass.[/quote] @OP, I suggest being informed as to what weed can do to your health. It does have some long term effects that can be pretty bad. [/quote]So does everything.. Anyway do drug sniffing dogs even sniff out weed? I thought it was just coke and other powders.[/quote]They can be trained to sniff for anything, really...You could train a dog to sniff for spices if you really wanted.
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Keep the weed in your pocket where the security and cops have no right to look without a warrant. The security can pat you down looking for weapons, but cops cannot search you for drugs without your consent or probable cause, so don't give them either.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arbiter 739 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Hero of Time Hide the weed in your ass.[/quote] @OP, I suggest being informed as to what weed can do to your health. It does have some long term effects that can be pretty bad. [/quote]So does everything.. Anyway do drug sniffing dogs even sniff out weed? I thought it was just coke and other powders. You could just take some beef jerky and when they sniff out the weed show the people it was just jerky.. [Edited on 05.01.2012 11:17 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arbiter 739 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Hero of Time Hide the weed in your ass.[/quote] If the handlers are handling the dogs, it won't work when they start to bark at dat. @OP, I suggest being informed as to what weed can do to your health. It does have some long term effects that can be pretty bad. [/quote] I appreciate your concern... but I think I'll be OK. To post below, they [i/]definitely[/i] sniff out weed. And they do it [b]very[/b] effectively. [Edited on 05.01.2012 11:17 PM PDT]
