Where in Halsey's journal does it say that? That's really interesting!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cal160 [/quote] It absolutely makes me cringe every single time you post. Why can't you just lurk the Flood instead of here?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ThePredkiller2 Wow, the grunts look terrible.[/quote] Yeah that's what I thought too. I think the red elite looks cool but the blue one looks kinda eeehhh. I don't like how the covie's skin's are all scaly now.

Wow, the grunts look terrible.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RaamSkorge Oh, I'm sorry, you've played Halo 4 and know exactly what the explanation on Firmware is? I am pretty sure the massive UNSC presence at some point in the game doesn't explain it at all. So, anyway, you don't know what Firmware is. It could be an overhaul of armor to catch up with the SPARTAN-IV armor. Like the Mark V and IV variants did for the Mark VI. Sorry, I just forgot that we had been given all the information on Halo 4 and knew exactly what everything was.[/quote] Impossible. 343i has showed off numerous screenshots of the Chief on the Forward Unto Dawn with the new armor on.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dounut520 I really don't care if its just artistic license. I never liked the traditional Mk. VI anyway. This new look almost beats the Mk. V in aesthetic appearance. That is saying something. [/quote]

I really don't care if its just artistic license. I never liked the traditional Mk. VI anyway. This new look almost beats the Mk. V in aesthetic appearance. That is saying something.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RaamSkorge Oh, I'm sorry, you've played Halo 4 and know exactly what the explanation on [b]Firmware is[/b] I am pretty sure the massive UNSC presence at some point in the game doesn't explain it at all. [b]So, anyway, you don't know what Firmware is.[/b] It could be an overhaul of armor to catch up with the SPARTAN-IV armor. Like the Mark V and IV variants did for the Mark VI. Sorry, I just forgot that we had been given all the information on Halo 4 and knew exactly what everything was.[/quote] We don't need to be geniuses to know the armor change wasn't made by that firmware upgrade, let me show you what firmware is: [quote]In electronic systems and computing, firmware is a term often used to denote the fixed, usually rather small, programs and/or data structures that internally control various electronic devices. Typical examples of devices containing firmware range from end-user products such as remote controls or calculators, through computer parts and devices like hard disks, keyboards, TFT screens or memory cards, all the way to scientific instrumentation and industrial robotics. Also more complex consumer devices, such as mobile phones, digital cameras, synthesizers, etc., contain firmware to enable the device's basic operation, as well as to implement higher-level functions.[/quote][/quote] Indeed. Embittered sarcasm is rarely a decent substitute for googling stuff in order to know what one is discussing. Firmware upgrades wouldn't explain aesthetic changes to the Mark VI armor unless 343i has no idea what "Firmware" means. And given what they all do for a living, I think that's out. And assuming that the Chief is still in the Mark VI suit, the only real option is that the aesthetic changes we're seeing are simply that; aesthetic changes. For all intents and purposes, it's the same armor. It just looks different.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] yooo67 Well, Bungie changed the AR's look. So I guess 343i can change the look of Chief's armor.[/quote] Not really. The Assault Rifle in Halo: Reach is the MA37, the one in Halo: CE/CEA is the MA5B and the one in Halo 3 is the MA5C, totally different rifles.

Well, Bungie changed the AR's look. So I guess 343i can change the look of Chief's armor.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RaamSkorge Oh, I'm sorry, you've played Halo 4 and know exactly what the explanation on [b]Firmware is[/b] I am pretty sure the massive UNSC presence at some point in the game doesn't explain it at all. [b]So, anyway, you don't know what Firmware is.[/b] It could be an overhaul of armor to catch up with the SPARTAN-IV armor. Like the Mark V and IV variants did for the Mark VI. Sorry, I just forgot that we had been given all the information on Halo 4 and knew exactly what everything was.[/quote] We don't need to be geniuses to know the armor change wasn't made by that firmware upgrade, let me show you what firmware is: [quote]In electronic systems and computing, firmware is a term often used to denote the fixed, usually rather small, programs and/or data structures that internally control various electronic devices. Typical examples of devices containing firmware range from end-user products such as remote controls or calculators, through computer parts and devices like hard disks, keyboards, TFT screens or memory cards, all the way to scientific instrumentation and industrial robotics. Also more complex consumer devices, such as mobile phones, digital cameras, synthesizers, etc., contain firmware to enable the device's basic operation, as well as to implement higher-level functions.[/quote]

Oh, I'm sorry, you've played Halo 4 and know exactly what the explanation on Firmware is? I am pretty sure the massive UNSC presence at some point in the game doesn't explain it at all. So, anyway, you don't know what Firmware is. It could be an overhaul of armor to catch up with the SPARTAN-IV armor. Like the Mark V and IV variants did for the Mark VI. Sorry, I just forgot that we had been given all the information on Halo 4 and knew exactly what everything was.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lime013 I agree with you, they do need an explanation. It couldn't have been Cortana because she cannot change the exterior of the Chief's armor and it cannot be nano bots because since when were there nano bots on FuD?[/quote] I thought it would be cool if you have standard Mk VI in the first level or two, then once you're in the shield world, you come across a few Engineers and they wind up upgrading your armor. This would be cool because the new armor does kinda have a Forerunner "look" to it. It could also explain "Forerunner Vision" if they decide to work that into the campaign. I'm all about 343i wanting their own style, and as the new developer of the Halo Universe, it's their right. However, I think they should at least nod to the original developer and creator of the game that gave them all jobs by starting the chief out in the H3 Mk VI armor. Plus it would be a great fan service, 'cause I've heard a [i]lot[/i] of complaints on this issue from long-time Halo fans. I personally think the new armor is sweet looking, but it's gonna drive me crazy if they don't come up with a better explanation than "nano-bots". A lot of people have referenced this from Halsey's journal and Glasslands, but all I remember from either is that the software/firmware can upgrade itself. But what do I know, right? [Edited on 04.25.2012 4:24 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] S_034 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Meh I just consider it a reflection of 343i and their attitude towards artistic style in H4 and what they think of the original Halo games and Bungies artistic effort and focus. Needless change that serves no basis except knee jerk reaction from potential punters, leaving actual Halo fans scratching their heads wondering what is going on. Sad thing is that the Mk VI change is just part of a huge list of bizarre and pointless changes; Elites, Grunts, BR, DMR, Energy Sword, Warthog and Pelican. The list will surely increase in size as we see more and more artistic interventions by 343i changing established designs for no good reason. I'd probably feel better about it if the changes were actually good looking but they flat out look terrible, [url=http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4447/halogruntinfographic.png]just see the Grunts for that[/url].[/quote] Just because it's a change without reason doesn't mean that it's a pointless one. A change in artists entails a change in artistic style, and I feel like if 343 wants to change things, it's more than their prerogative, it's their responsibility. Getting up into a huff about them not using the same designs Bungie did serves no purpose except to hobble their creative efforts. It says, "the way you envision this stuff is irrelevant, because even though this is your IP now, we won't be happy without everything looking the way it did when Bungie was in charge." It's like if Picasso were painting his own imagining of Da Vinci's stuff, but people got all pissed off because Picasso were painting a Picasso version of, say, the Mona Lisa and all they really wanted was Picasso to paint "Da Vinci's Mona Lisa II." They think it's needless change for no good reason, but it's Picasso simply making his own artistic decisions while drawing his inspiration from the source material. It's not that 343i doesn't appreciate Bungie's artistic efforts, it's that they're making their own now, not simply photocopying Bungie's. Nor would I want them to. The gameplay and storyline and appearance of Halo 4 will surely be familiar enough to still be Halo, but I am VERY excited to explore the Halo Universe through a different set of lenses, and if I know anything about art, it's that artists are a hell of a lot more creative and effective when they're creating something as they imagine it than when they have to try and fit their vision to someone else's designs. Such being the case, I ask 343i to IGNORE US for the time being. Create what you want, and I, for one, will approach it with an open mind, just as I will approach Bungie's new IP with an open mind. If I play it and it sucks, then I'll drop it and leave it alone. But until then, I'll reserve judgement. [/quote] I get what you're saying and that is a totally understandable stance. Personally though I find it a strange mentality from the perspective of the 343i artists. Canonically changes to UNSC vehicles and weapons and armor, the introduction of S-IVs, the changes to Grunt and Elite armor is easily justifiable. The change to the Chief though is bizarre and strange. I understand that it is 343i and their reinterpretation of the Chief but you would never see something like that with Darth Vader. Halo 4 is not a reboot but a continuation, this isn't Star Trek where the Enterprise gets a visual overhaul but a sequel to a game which it is meant to be linked to. By trade I am a graphic designer so for me I am much more picky and critical of artistic style and consistency. For me the change is jarring and hard to justify but not only that I feel that the new designs are simply BAD.

I think the grunts and brutes and armor and everything look better. I'm pretty sure that the FuD would have had enough parts to allow Cortana to change MCs exterior armor as well. The grunts look more realisitic but I hope they bring back the "Bottle of Soda" style of killing them. First you pop the cap(melee), then you "shoot" it down your throat aka killing them with bullets. But one thing for sure, the Br is looking pretty damn awesome [Edited on 04.24.2012 8:29 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Poy Poy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] archdman854 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cal160 she is an A.I. so she as acsess to all of the ship and there could be robitical arms and it would take some time defrost[/quote] That doesn't explain where the new competent to change the armor are. And people awaken once taken out of cryo, you can't just liberally take someone out, work on them and then put them back all the while they are snoozing.[/quote] This is true. There has been accounts of removing armor or clothes while in cryostasis will cause a severe cause of a "freezer-burn" effect. So he would have to defrost, which he would then wake up.[/quote] Freezerburn effect is debatable in the future. Think about the ending of Halo Wars. Beside, who said anything about removing his armor?[/quote] The end of Halo Wars was like that because they didn't want to show Anders and the other crew nude, as is normal for cryostasis.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Meh I just consider it a reflection of 343i and their attitude towards artistic style in H4 and what they think of the original Halo games and Bungies artistic effort and focus. Needless change that serves no basis except knee jerk reaction from potential punters, leaving actual Halo fans scratching their heads wondering what is going on. Sad thing is that the Mk VI change is just part of a huge list of bizarre and pointless changes; Elites, Grunts, BR, DMR, Energy Sword, Warthog and Pelican. The list will surely increase in size as we see more and more artistic interventions by 343i changing established designs for no good reason. I'd probably feel better about it if the changes were actually good looking but they flat out look terrible, [url=http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4447/halogruntinfographic.png]just see the Grunts for that[/url].[/quote] Just because it's a change without reason doesn't mean that it's a pointless one. A change in artists entails a change in artistic style, and I feel like if 343 wants to change things, it's more than their prerogative, it's their responsibility. Getting up into a huff about them not using the same designs Bungie did serves no purpose except to hobble their creative efforts. It says, "the way you envision this stuff is irrelevant, because even though this is your IP now, we won't be happy without everything looking the way it did when Bungie was in charge." It's like if Picasso were painting his own imagining of Da Vinci's stuff, but people got all pissed off because Picasso were painting a Picasso version of, say, the Mona Lisa and all they really wanted was Picasso to paint "Da Vinci's Mona Lisa II." They think it's needless change for no good reason, but it's Picasso simply making his own artistic decisions while drawing his inspiration from the source material. It's not that 343i doesn't appreciate Bungie's artistic efforts, it's that they're making their own now, not simply photocopying Bungie's. Nor would I want them to. The gameplay and storyline and appearance of Halo 4 will surely be familiar enough to still be Halo, but I am VERY excited to explore the Halo Universe through a different set of lenses, and if I know anything about art, it's that artists are a hell of a lot more creative and effective when they're creating something as they imagine it than when they have to try and fit their vision to someone else's designs. Such being the case, I ask 343i to IGNORE US for the time being. Create what you want, and I, for one, will approach it with an open mind, just as I will approach Bungie's new IP with an open mind. If I play it and it sucks, then I'll drop it and leave it alone. But until then, I'll reserve judgement.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ImmortalJoshua To me this would mean that if a Halo 2 Anniversary is made, the Chief would not be wearing his famous Mark VI look but instead the new armor. [/quote] This makes no sense. Why would they retcon any remaster of Halo 2 to show him wearing armor from 4?

Meh I just consider it a reflection of 343i and their attitude towards artistic style in H4 and what they think of the original Halo games and Bungies artistic effort and focus. Needless change that serves no basis except knee jerk reaction from potential punters, leaving actual Halo fans scratching their heads wondering what is going on. Sad thing is that the Mk VI change is just part of a huge list of bizarre and pointless changes; Elites, Grunts, BR, DMR, Energy Sword, Warthog and Pelican. The list will surely increase in size as we see more and more artistic interventions by 343i changing established designs for no good reason. I'd probably feel better about it if the changes were actually good looking but they flat out look terrible, [url=http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4447/halogruntinfographic.png]just see the Grunts for that[/url].

I'm hoping that there will be an in-game cutscene or something that would provide a reason for the change from Mark 6. So, we all have to wait until Halo 4 comes out to see what kind of explanation is given as artistic licencing/cryo sleep modification is too much of a deux ex machina for the drastic change in appearance as stated by other posters and the fact that raw material is needed for such a thing to happen. That being said, I still think the new armor for Chief and multiplayer Spartans looks incredibly odd and clunky.

You guys constantly say he changed his armor...A 343i staff member already said his armor was simply graphically upgraded with Cortana making small adjustments to his HUD. Sure it looks different, but has the same principle, green armor, orange visor, and same 7'2 man.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] B1ackBe1tGamer I was actually really upset about that when I saw the trailer simply because it is supposed to start off right after the end of Halo 3, right? Therefore, where did Chief change his armor? Firmware upgrades I can MAYBE accept, possibly uploaded to him while he was in cryosleep. But to have entirely new armor visually too? AND to have pulled a jetpack out of his ass? No. Unacceptable IMO.[/quote] I agree. I can accept just the 343's perspective of wanting to change chief, but even if it's just "scifi" it would make sense to explain how he changes armor, you can't just perform that in cryo.

I was actually really upset about that when I saw the trailer simply because it is supposed to start off right after the end of Halo 3, right? Therefore, where did Chief change his armor? Firmware upgrades I can MAYBE accept, possibly uploaded to him while he was in cryosleep. But to have entirely new armor visually too? AND to have pulled a jetpack out of his ass? No. Unacceptable IMO.

I would chalk it up to artistic license.

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I still think that this is MK VII and not VII. It looks similar at a glance but when you really look at it, it's vastly different. It's like the Nanosuit 1 and 2. Looks the same at a glance, you start to really look at it and it's not the same.