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4/9/2012 5:07:30 AM
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Normandy SR2 vs. Forward Onto Dawn
Who would win?
Normandy is fully upgraded and doesnt have the element of surprise or anything.
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Normandy's GARDIAN laser defenses would shoot down any Archer missiles fired from the FUD and Longswords would be mince meat as well. edit: actually, FUD doesn't even have Longswords so forget that last bit. [Edited on 04.09.2012 12:33 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Atomic Tea [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey The biggest flaw the [i]Normandy[/i] has is that requires line of sight to fire; however, since it's so maneuverable (despite being classed as a frigate, whose sole purpose in combat is to soak up damage and lumber along through a fight). On top of that, the [i]Forward Unto Dawn[/i]'s role is not as a combatant, but to support more powerful ships and service as a command center. That being said, if the FUD managed to LOS its MAC cannon, the Normandy would be obliterated.[/quote] Let's not forget that the FUD is such a big target as well. What about AIs, OP? Normandy has EDI, so she can slip into enemy systems and disable them or blow up reactors remotely. Does FUD have Cortana, or another Ship AI?[/quote] Both the ships have AIs. EDI is in the Normandy, she does all the things she normally does, except the FUD has a smart AI that is specifically designed to resist any hacking attempts. So EDI can not hack the ship.
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So a prototype ship that is one of the best in it universe vs an ordinary ship in another universe. It would be fairer to compare the SR2 to the Pillar of Autumn as both were upgrade further than ordinary ships. I call it an even fight, if the FUD can hit the SR2 it wins, however the manouverability of the SR2 is going to be difficult to deal with.
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Normandy SR-1 or SR-2?
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It is a fair fight. Both have upsides and downsides. But power is irrelevant if you can't hit.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Atomic Tea [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey The biggest flaw the [i]Normandy[/i] has is that requires line of sight to fire; however, since it's so maneuverable (despite being classed as a frigate, whose sole purpose in combat is to soak up damage and lumber along through a fight). On top of that, the [i]Forward Unto Dawn[/i]'s role is not as a combatant, but to support more powerful ships and service as a command center. That being said, if the FUD managed to LOS its MAC cannon, the Normandy would be obliterated.[/quote] Let's not forget that the FUD is such a big target as well. What about AIs, OP? Normandy has EDI, so she can slip into enemy systems and disable them or blow up reactors remotely. Does FUD have Cortana, or another Ship AI?[/quote] Interesting question. In a battle of AI's, Cortana would likely win.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey The biggest flaw the [i]Normandy[/i] has is that requires line of sight to fire; however, since it's so maneuverable (despite being classed as a frigate, whose sole purpose in combat is to soak up damage and lumber along through a fight). On top of that, the [i]Forward Unto Dawn[/i]'s role is not as a combatant, but to support more powerful ships and service as a command center. That being said, if the FUD managed to LOS its MAC cannon, the Normandy would be obliterated.[/quote] Let's not forget that the FUD is such a big target as well. What about AIs, OP? Normandy has EDI, so she can slip into enemy systems and disable them or blow up reactors remotely. Does FUD have Cortana, or another Ship AI?
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Well, there's a certain edge for the SR-2 since they have Mass Accelerated-bullets, stealth, speed, and a Thanix Cannon, but the Dawn could just bash into it. Also, armed with three scorpion tanks, it [i]could[/i] win the fight with a little luck. The Dawn has a -blam!-load of artillery-cannons.
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I feel that the Normandy could fly faster than the Foward Unto Dawn could rotate to aim it's MAC gun.
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I'm going to go with the Normandy SR2 because it's probably a lot more maneuverable and could just circle around the only thing that threatens the SR2 - the FUD's MA cannon. Not very fair though...Normandy was a prototype, very advanced. The Dawn is a fairly low-grade ship in the UNSC. Now put UNSC Infinity against Normandy SR2, and the Normandy's going to get toasted.
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Javik could throw Legion out the airlock. Legion could then land on the Forward Unto Dawn and hack away at all the electrical equipment...
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Probably the Normandy, going off the fact that it's Mass Effect.
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Considering the FOD has a mac gun with at least twice the firepower of an alliance dreadnought, and is built to withstand plasma torpedoes, which are significantly more destructive than a thanix cannon, I'd say the FOD wins. However if Joker is piloting the Normandy, then the Normandy wins.
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Normandy is smaller, faster, can easily dodge the MAC cannon, ect ect.
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Thanix canon would do it's job and melt the Dawn into pieces.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Owen L The Dawn would win. The Normandy is only thermally invisible so is can be seen in the visible spectrum of light (joker even says this on during legion loyal quest on ME2). The Dawn has 1 MAC, many archer missle pods, anti fighter weaponry as well as 3 nuclear missles. The MAC is more powerful than the Normandy's cannons. The Normandy's only advantage is stealth which OP stated it had lost as it has no element of surprise. It would be interesting to see which AI would be better EDE or a UNSC AI. Edit: Reading some of the things stated the Nsr2 can make short FTL jumps which the UNSC can also do in theory. Also the thing about the normandy being impossible to hit Macs travel at 5% the speed of light at least and is being aimed by a smart AI. The Dawn also has atleast 1m of Titanium A armour so it's self can withstand some punishment. The fight wouldn't be the dawn fires and destroys the Normandy with 1 MAC round but if the MAC rounds struck it would take out the barriers and if it passed through or hit an unshielded section it would gut the ship as it does to covenant ships. The Normany's thaxis cannons would damage the hull of the Dawn and if it has missles they would pose a threat but ultimately i believe the Normandy would get it's vunerable engines hit and would be dead in the water and either face surrender or be boarded by the dawns compliment of ODSTs.[/quote] they might can in theory. But not as fast as mass effect can. And they need direct line of sight which could be made impossible by EDI
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Normany any day.
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Actually the Normandy would win. It has already taken down a ship of similar size. [Edited on 04.09.2012 4:33 AM PDT]
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Considering a Reaper cannon can instantly destroy a ship the size of FUD and the Thanix cannon is a miniature version, I think the Normandy would win. Especially since it's highly maneuverable, particularly with Joker at the helm. Then theres Garrus calibrating the cannon better than anybody who ever lived and ever will live. EDI also helps at the controls. If the MAC gun fired, she could probably save the Normandy before Joker could even react. Lets not forget that she can hack worth a -blam!-. I think it's obvious the Normandy will win. [Edited on 04.09.2012 2:53 AM PDT]
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The Dawn would win. The Normandy is only thermally invisible so is can be seen in the visible spectrum of light (joker even says this on during legion loyal quest on ME2). The Dawn has 1 MAC, many archer missle pods, anti fighter weaponry as well as 3 nuclear missles. The MAC is more powerful than the Normandy's cannons. The Normandy's only advantage is stealth which OP stated it had lost as it has no element of surprise. It would be interesting to see which AI would be better EDE or a UNSC AI. Edit: Reading some of the things stated the Nsr2 can make short FTL jumps which the UNSC can also do in theory. Also the thing about the normandy being impossible to hit Macs travel at 5% the speed of light at least and is being aimed by a smart AI. The Dawn also has atleast 1m of Titanium A armour so it's self can withstand some punishment. The fight wouldn't be the dawn fires and destroys the Normandy with 1 MAC round but if the MAC rounds struck it would take out the barriers and if it passed through or hit an unshielded section it would gut the ship as it does to covenant ships. The Normany's thaxis cannons would damage the hull of the Dawn and if it has missles they would pose a threat but ultimately i believe the Normandy would get it's vunerable engines hit and would be dead in the water and either face surrender or be boarded by the dawns compliment of ODSTs. [Edited on 04.09.2012 3:59 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sigma617 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Chelloz THE one True. The point is that FUD would never hit. [/quote] It seems as though I was mistaken about ME ships not having FTL capability. I apologize. I still think however, that the Dawn could target, and fire upon the Normandy with it's main gun. MACs have sophisticated targeting computers. they don't miss.[/quote] don't worry I make mistakes some times too. At least you were mature enough to admit it. We'll still disagree about the Mac round would hit or not though. Since EDI can detect weapon charging, I think she could plot a ftl jump. Or even better just engage stealth systems.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Minerva [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jonesy90000 The Forward onto Dawn could deploy multiple long sword fighters to intercept and track the Normandy. Add that with an AI and you suddenly get all aiming capabilities back. The Kinetic barriers can only take so much damage before going down, I don't know anything like that in the Halo Universe... Oh yer, it is the same type of thing every Covy ship has. I think that this fight would come down to however is commanding the ships rather than the actual ships.[/quote] No, you clearly don't know. [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/UNSC_Forward_Unto_Dawn]The Forward Unto Dawn[/url] has NO personal craft aside Pelicans and Hornets in terms of fair space combat. And those will not be reliable against the Normandy. And Kinetic Barriers =/= Covenent energy barriers. A kinetic barrier can withstand a stupid amount of impacts. Especially from a ship. They only break down it hit all at once where 'stress' becomes a concern. I can see the Normandy tearing holes through the FUD. And the MAC canon is only a straight line in terms of aim. That's pretty damn easy for the Normandy to avoid. :P[/quote] Pelicans are space fairing, they can be deployed. I was commenting on the strength but on the fact that the kinetic barrier will go down after enough force just like the energy shield. Also, the Normandy is piloted by Joker... Joker is an awesome pilot who I love and would never want to see replaced. However him being an awesome pilot does not mean he could out fly a MAC gun aimed by a smart AI, he really doesn't have a chance in that respect. But I'm standing by, whoever is command of the ship (Not flying) would decide this battle.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Chelloz THE one True. The point is that FUD would never hit. [/quote] It seems as though I was mistaken about ME ships not having FTL capability. I apologize. I still think however, that the Dawn could target, and fire upon the Normandy with it's main gun. MACs have sophisticated targeting computers. they don't miss.
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True. The point is that FUD would never hit.
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HA, you guys are basing your assumptions on weapons. You forget, The Normand has [i] JOKER [/i] at the helm. The Forward unto dawn has a delay between given order and the navigations person moving FUD, as well as delay between any other maneuver or weapon fire. Joker has no inhibitions, as well as EDI and a more agile ship. The Normandy would dance around the FUD, using hit and run tactics on key points on the hull.
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Nah. Edi says that's its possible and so does the codex so no im not wrong.
