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Halo 4 Discussion ( Game Informer info FRANKIE CONFIRMS, CLARIFIES)

[quote][i]Leaked content (including magazine scans), real or fake, will not be tolerated and you will receive an automatic 14-day ban for posting/quoting said scans. Discuss it, but DO NOT post the scans. D[/i][/quote] Well Duardo suggested a new thread WITHOUT leaked scans, so here it is. Here is the information (from Little Moa): Spartan Points Spartan Points is the new currency system in Halo 4. They will buy things such as armor, armor abilities, Spartan Ops missions (see below), and some Spartan Ops This was probably my most favorite addition I saw. From how it was described, think fo Spartan Ops like Spec Ops from Modern Warfare but with a storyline. They will span out over several months, encouraging players to return to the game. Game Informer said that Spartan Ops will be comparable in scope and size to the in single-player storyline. Why Reds Fight Blues I think most of us probably guessed this, but reds fight blues and blues fight reds for training purposes. They fight in something called the UNSC Infinity. The UNSC Infinity is a 3km long ship sent into deep space on a mission. It contains a virtual reality sector that creates the multiplayer experience. Sprint So not only is sprint in the game, but it is a standard armor ability. You do not need to pick it up, it will always be available. You do not need to buy it with your Spartan Points, you will always have it equipped no matter what. So essentially, you can have two armor abilities. Forerunner Vision Ever wanted to be super man? Now you can! See through walls with your x-ray vision! I can't say I hate this armor ability, I haven't used it yet. I'm hoping it comes with its weaknesses and it discourages camping. Sorry guys, but camping in Halo 4 will not be a legitimate tactic. Returning Armor Abilities The hologram, jetpack, and active camo will make a return in Halo 4. It didn't elaborate on the abilities, but you can probably assume they'll be about the same. Elites Not Returning to Multiplayer Not much detail was given as to why elites will not see multiplayer combat, it was stated in a picture caption. The caption reads, "Competitive multiplayer focues on the Spartan IVs. Elites will not be playable. Grenades Now the article itself did not talk about grenades, but I noticed in the picture the Spartan had 4 grenade options. I assume the plasma grenade will return as seen from an explosion in the picture and the frag grenade will most definitely return as seen by the Halo 4 first look video. Firefight Once again, no explanation why aside from a picture caption. The caption read, "Halo 4's campaign is still playable with four players online (in reference to Sparan Ops, ensuring players that Spartan Ops will not replace the campaign coop experience). 343 Industries has no plans to include a dedicated Firefight mode. I'm torn on this, I don't normally play firefight, but I feel like it is a standard necessary feature in the game after Halo 3: ODST introduced it. Regicide Regicide is a variation of free for all. I think it's similar to VIP. Regicide, as stated by the article, "sets the leading scorer as the king. Every opponent that the king kills raises his bounty; other players have to kill the king to claim the reward." Distraction and Revenge Medals Don't feel bad anymore for not killing a single person in the game, you can get a medal for being a distraction! Oh, you just got killed and now you're raging at that player? Calm down and get rewarded for hunting down the guy that just killed you! Let me make it clear that I do not necessarily see these medals as bad. They just may reward people that don't actually deserve one. No More Weapon Camping One the skills that separated veteran players from inexperienced players was the ability to time power weapons' spawns. In Halo 4, this will be near impossible. Weapons drop down in drop pods at random locations around the map. Quoted from the article, "This gives the matches other focal points, and it also helps alleviate the advantage longtime players always used to have over newer recruits; the best weapons are not always going to be found at the same spawn locations." Unless there is a distinguishable skill gap between players, I most definitely do not like this idea. No More Respawn Delay Immediately after you die, by tapping the X button you are sent back into the match. Now let's contemplate why this might be bad. Let's say Halo spawns are... not so great. A skilled player out BRs/DMRs/whatevers a unskilled player. Now that unskilled player can immediately respawn and find you before your shields even regenerate! I understand 343 is trying to speed up the game, but they must understand the consequences of instant spawns. Joining In-Progress Games So to solve the quitting problem, 343 implemented the ability to join games that are in-progress. My question is are we going to have the ability to search for games starting up instead? It infuriates me to join a game at the last possible second, not even offering me the chance to play. If you want a source, LOOK FOR IT YOURSELF. From Neogaf [url]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=36731047&postcount=14908[/url] [quote]"For those expecting a podcast release this weekend, don't. All of the information you're getting at this point is from leaked scans of the GI article. As is the case with all cover stories, the magazine needs to start hitting more hands before we offer full clarifications. I will say this, some of the conclusions that are being reached are not entirely accurate. Some of the mp items mentioned in the story have changed since the media visit. I can't really say too much more at this time, but please be patient while we begin clarifying and answering questions in the near future. As Frank has said previously, we knew some elements of the Halo mp evolution would be controversial in some circles, while many others would be less so. Keep in mind that none of these design decisions have been made lightly, but have been carefully thought out and continue to be tweaked based on feedback from people playing the game. And yes, Spartan Ops is as awesome as it sounds. Can't wait to share more."[/quote] Frankie responds on neogaf: [quote]The magazine scans were always going to come out the day after the cover debuted, that almost always happens. We can't talk about the story in detail, because it is GI's exclusive. I will say that some of the things that "invested, emotional" players are "raising eyebrows slightly at" [i][b]are being very misinterpreted ("random" weapon spawns for example) [/b][/i]but we will be able to clarify some of those things in due time. [i][b]Some of the other features, abilities, are also being discussed with no context (not your guys' fault, obviously)[/b][/i] and frankly, a video of TS would probably allay many of the especially hysterical reactions, but we're not there yet. [i][b]We haven't seen a single reaction we didn't expect[/b][/i] (apart from the Dax love story) and we will clarify a lot of this stuff 100% in the coming weeks and months. SOME of the things in here won't be properly understood outside of a holistic experience (modes, progress, fictional setting, etc) but I am going to say one thing and leave it at that: It feels like Halo, it does NOT feel or act like the other game(s) it's being compared to. [b][i]Again, without playing it, you can't be blamed for jumping to certain conclusions.[/i][/b][/quote] [url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=36732537&postcount=15020]Source[/url] I understand he wouldn't bad mouth the game, but this does make me feel [i]a little[/i] better. I do understand how things can be over glorified for the sole purpose to cause controversy and make people talk, but I do feel like after reading what Frankie said we're best off waiting before we send 343 500 copies of CoD4 like ME3 fans sent cupcakes. [Edited on 04.07.2012 9:35 AM PDT]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sector Z 157 After seeing these updates, Halo has gone out the window. What I once loved has been killed, buried and decayed. Thank you 343, you have ruined whatever hope I once had for you.[/quote] The game is not even out yet. You shouldn't judge so quickly until you get the game.

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  • What I fail to understand is why they went with classes. I get they want to evolve, but Halo 3 was the most popular game from release until Reach came out almost. They could've do so much to change the game, but not mess with the core gameplay, but that's what they've done. They've just changed the "Halo" element of the game. Much like fully customizable classes are the unchanged element of CoD; it's because that's the CoD element of the game. CoD knows not to mess with that. For some reason, Bungie and 343 don't know that. I'm not saying it isn't fun. But it's just no where near the level of addicting and lasting fun that Halo 3 provided. I mean, Halo 3 never left my disc tray for about 6-7 months after I got it. Halo: Reach is fun, but gets boring fast. And the population proves that.

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  • Best gam yet boiz, bez game yet!!! But really, someone should catch my drift.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dz272727 BS Angel, the community manager for 343 Industries made a statement a few hours ago regarding all of us on the forums and around the world freaking out about this Game Informer leak. She stated "I cannot comment on rumors or speculation. As Frankie mentioned though, things will be explained and clarified soon." What do you make of this? Are the leaks real, or fake? They seem real to me, but I'm hoping that they're not. An official response which verifies or refutes these leaks would be nice though.[/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II I didn't knew COD had a new mode with it's own storyline alongside campaign that provides new missions each week. Say it again that it became a clone And "notprox" was referring to the changes in Reach like sprint. [/quote] I wasn't being specific, I was just commenting on the general perception that Halo 4 isn't "Halo" enough for fans and that 343 are trying to make it more like other modern shooters, Call of Duty being the most generic modern shooter.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FinnA9X Bungie? Do you mean 343?[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II Oh and before whining that [b][i]Reach[/i][/b] and Halo 4 looked at other games like COD. [/quote] It could be either of them really.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FinnA9X [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xImNotProx It's obvious that Bungie looked at features from Call of Duty. COD was making millions of dollars each year, so Bungie along with other developers tried adapt their games to try to get more of the COD players.[/quote] Bungie? Do you mean 343? What people are upset about is that they are forsaking what Halo fans want from the series to add features that might appeal to fans of another series and thereby killing what made Halo truly special in the first place. What they fail to see is that if Halo 4 ends up being a CoD clone, then why wouldn't Call of Duty fans just play Call of Duty?[/quote] I didn't knew COD had a new mode with it's own storyline alongside campaign that provides new missions each week. Say it again that it became a clone And "notprox" was referring to the changes in Reach like sprint.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] II BlacK MagiC Money is the only thing developers understand and if they lose enough potential sales they might actually learn to listen to their fans but I doubt it. They're obviously pretty damn stupid.[/quote] Every business is around to make money. As for changing the Halo formula: the market for shooters is changing, we don't like it but thats how the economy works.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xImNotProx It's obvious that Bungie looked at features from Call of Duty. COD was making millions of dollars each year, so Bungie along with other developers tried adapt their games to try to get more of the COD players.[/quote] Bungie? Do you mean 343? What people are upset about is that they are forsaking what Halo fans want from the series to add features that might appeal to fans of another series and thereby killing what made Halo truly special in the first place. What they fail to see is that if Halo 4 ends up being a CoD clone, then why wouldn't Call of Duty fans just play Call of Duty?

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  • BS Angel, the community manager for 343 Industries made a statement a few hours ago regarding all of us on the forums and around the world freaking out about this Game Informer leak. She stated "I cannot comment on rumors or speculation. As Frankie mentioned though, things will be explained and clarified soon." What do you make of this? Are the leaks real, or fake? They seem real to me, but I'm hoping that they're not. An official response which verifies or refutes these leaks would be nice though.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xImNotProx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II Ironically how everyone complains that Halo 4 looked at COD, yet i remember threads of wishing that Halo had classes, sprint, specops mode and a larger campaign. -blam!- irony here would be enough to destroy the Forerunner empire.[/quote] The casuals were the only ones who wanted more COD features.[/quote] I didn't knew COD was the only game out there with sprint and all that stuff. Oh and before whining that Reach and Halo 4 looked at other games like COD. Where do you think the idea for dual wield or forge came from?Right...[/quote] It's obvious that Bungie looked at features from Call of Duty. COD was making millions of dollars each year, so Bungie along with other developers tried adapt their games to try to get more of the COD players.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DandiestFrog56 Halo is evolving. Cry some more.[/quote]\ inb4adapt

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  • Well it doesn't sound as bad as i though. I guess i will be trying this out...

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  • Halo is evolving. Cry some more.

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  • Well, if they are splitting Social and Ranked then it'll probably work the same way it does in MW3 with hardcore playlists, with spawn timers and such. The random weapon drops should only be present in social. I really doubt that's the new set system for all gametypes, Halo games will always be very customizable so the random weapons will just be another option in forge.

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  • DO NOT BUY HALO4. Money is the only thing developers understand and if they lose enough potential sales they might actually learn to listen to their fans but I doubt it. They're obviously pretty damn stupid.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xImNotProx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II Ironically how everyone complains that Halo 4 looked at COD, yet i remember threads of wishing that Halo had classes, sprint, specops mode and a larger campaign. -blam!- irony here would be enough to destroy the Forerunner empire.[/quote] The casuals were the only ones who wanted more COD features.[/quote] I didn't knew COD was the only game out there with sprint and all that stuff. Oh and before whining that Reach and Halo 4 looked at other games like COD. Where do you think the idea for dual wield or forge came from?Right...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] annoyinginge The Halo community saddens me. It's been confirmed that there's going to be a whole new faction of enemies exceeding the Covenant in complexity, and there were some vivid descriptions of Campaign locations, and what is everybody fixated on? Tiny MP details. Yawn.[/quote] And so they should be. We all saw what Reach did. It shat on the Halo canon and it shat on everything that made Halo multiplayer so fun, and 343i has to follow suit.[/quote] You missed Annoying's point. Most of the leaked article is about Halo 4's campaign, but somehow everyone seems to have missed that.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II Ironically how everyone complains that Halo 4 looked at COD, yet i remember threads of wishing that Halo had classes, sprint, specops mode and a larger campaign. -blam!- irony here would be enough to destroy the Forerunner empire.[/quote] The casuals were the only ones who wanted more COD features.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sigma617 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II Ironically how everyone complains that Halo 4 looked at COD, yet i remember threads of wishing that Halo had classes, sprint, specops mode and a larger campaign. -blam!- irony here would be enough to destroy the Forerunner empire.[/quote] SO For or Against?[/quote] I'm for the new additions, i love the sound of Spartan Ops.Oh and those sexy graphics!! But i'm doubting instant respawn, but i won't jump to conclusion and wait for the gameplay. But game looks great as hell![/quote] Well Revan, I'm in the same boat. It's good to find a calm note in this panicked cacophony on this side of the Line. Hopefully more veterans will keep an open mind.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sigma617 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II Ironically how everyone complains that Halo 4 looked at COD, yet i remember threads of wishing that Halo had classes, sprint, specops mode and a larger campaign. -blam!- irony here would be enough to destroy the Forerunner empire.[/quote] SO For or Against?[/quote] I'm for the new additions, i love the sound of Spartan Ops.Oh and those sexy graphics!! But i'm doubting instant respawn, but i won't jump to conclusion and wait for the gameplay. But game looks great as hell!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II Ironically how everyone complains that Halo 4 looked at COD, yet i remember threads of wishing that Halo had classes, sprint, specops mode and a larger campaign. -blam!- irony here would be enough to destroy the Forerunner empire.[/quote] SO For or Against?

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  • Ironically how everyone complains that Halo 4 looked at COD, yet i remember threads of wishing that Halo had classes, sprint, specops mode and a larger campaign. -blam!- irony here would be enough to destroy the Forerunner empire.

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  • -blam!- it. I'm so sick of the negativity in this forum towards Halo 4. It turns out, all that weird stuff is true. Doesn't mean they won't craft a brilliant campaign (Coming from me that's a surpise. Until today I thought Halo 4's only salvation would be multiplayer) which ever since I read the scans I am extremely excited for. I've been a halo fan for more than half the time I've been alive. So for god's sake, if I can give this radical change in direction a chance, so can you. Posted this in another thread. Everyone needs to seriously shut the -blam!- up and calm down.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EvilTaffyapple Urgh. WTF are 343 doing? Where is the Halo I know and love?!? seriouslypissedoff.jpeg[/quote] It's dead my friend. It had a good run

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  • Urgh. WTF are 343 doing? Where is the Halo I know and love?!? seriouslypissedoff.jpeg

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