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12/9/2011 4:52:45 AM
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Explain why You Hate Bloom.
I find it a bit more realistic. Bullet spread would happen at a higher rate of fire.
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Actually I now understand how bloom should have been. What one of yous said down below or something, the mechanics of bloom and how it should have been.
Guys, really? This thread is way too serious... Like, stop commenting... D:
[Edited on 12.12.2011 5:07 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 [/quote] I am simply arguing that when people cry for realism in bloom they are being completely stupid whereas you are, at this point, arguing semantics. I don't mind 85% bloom but that's because at that point it's almost non-existent. Default Reach's bloom was poorly implemented and, for those people who cry for realism, is NOT realistic. The DMR is a joke by today's standards. How that weapon is running around as a standard issue AR in the year 2552 is beyond me. Damn budget cuts.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Viper Skills [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 I'm not ignorant.[/quote] You displayed plenty of ignorance when it comes to modern weaponry. Let's say a defense contractor was tasked with creating a new standard issue assault rifle for the United States Marine Corps. They would be looking to not only beat the M16, the M4, and the various other rifles that are sometimes used (like the ACR, which is amazing assault rifle) but they would also have to beat their competition. Let's say that defense contractor walked in with the DMR. A rifle that fires the same rounds, cannot be fired automatically or even semi-automatically. It has a fixed rate of fire and, unlike the M4 and the M16, it does NOT have an effective range of 500 Meters. In fact, it struggles to kill opponents at a range of 30 Meters or more. What would happen to this contractor? If you guessed, "He'd lose his Department of Defense contract," then you guessed right. Congratulations. Realism argument = flat out stupid. The DMR sucks.[/quote] I was not ignorant. I agreed with some of what that other guy said. I never said it aloud because it was unimportant at the time. Anyhow, what would I know about [i]modern[/i] weaponry? I'm not comparing anything to those. However, if I made a comparison when I did not intend to, point it out for me. I told you, validity does not equal truth. It doesn't have to be true to be valid. This goes in the flipside, as well; Truth does not equal validity.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Viper Skills Realism argument = flat out stupid. The DMR sucks.[/quote] Yes it does but every other weapon in Reach sucks even more so that's why I use it. No bloom is preferred of course
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cs burchie v2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cs burchie v2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 Nevertheless, I implore you to take what I say into consideration. After all, the bigger the skill gap, the better, right?[/quote] Obviously hasn't played the updated MLG playlist.[/quote] You are correct. However, I don't need to play MLG to know what I am talking about.[/quote] I find it hard to believe than you can recognize a change in the skill gap when you get dumped on in almost every game you play. From your POV, everyone is better.[/quote] I can recognize it just fine BECAUSE I get dumped on in almost every game. It's by [i]how much[/i] I lose that I can identify this. That, and I have a little brother who is much better at the game than me.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NinjaLord77 The dumb circle in the middle shouldn't be going all crazy and sh*it, I mean if it moves a tiny bit then that's OK but it goes wacko and that's not cool. Bloom is from the devil[/quote] I really like 85%, normal and 0 bloom can both BE annoying at times. [Edited on 12.08.2011 9:57 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 I'm not ignorant.[/quote] You displayed plenty of ignorance when it comes to modern weaponry. Let's say a defense contractor was tasked with creating a new standard issue assault rifle for the United States Marine Corps. They would be looking to not only beat the M16, the M4, and the various other rifles that are sometimes used (like the ACR, which is amazing assault rifle) but they would also have to beat their competition. Let's say that defense contractor walked in with the DMR. A rifle that fires the same rounds, cannot be fired automatically or even semi-automatically. It has a fixed rate of fire and, unlike the M4 and the M16, it does NOT have an effective range of 500 Meters. In fact, it struggles to kill opponents at a range of 30 Meters or more. What would happen to this contractor? If you guessed, "He'd lose his Department of Defense contract," then you guessed right. Congratulations. Realism argument = flat out stupid. The DMR sucks.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Viper Skills [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Viper Skills The realism argument has NO validity. Most modern weapons are far more accurate than the DMR.[/quote] Validity does not equal truth. It's valid. You know it as not true.[/quote] What? The DMR fires a 7.62 MM round at a single round burst. Most common modern weapons that fire the SAME round, with a GREATER distance, ALL of which have an option to be fired automatically, semi-automatically, and three-round bursts: M16A4 M4 Carbine AK-47 Not only does your post make no sense at all, but you can't back anything. If you even made a claim (I don't think you did).[/quote] My post made sense, it just went over your head. It's still valid. It just isn't true. [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoundValidTrue]Read this for clarity on this sentence.[/url][/quote] It doesn't make sense to argue about skill against one of the best Reach players on Bnet.
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The dumb circle in the middle shouldn't be going all crazy and sh*it, I mean if it moves a tiny bit then that's OK but it goes wacko and that's not cool. Bloom is from the devil
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iNinjaVVen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iNinjaVVen Want further proof that bloom is broken? [url=http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=25232005&player=aBlueBookshelf]Watch my reticule on the last kill[/url]. I completely missed, but bloom gave me the kill.[/quote] I saw that the enemy was just barely in the reticule when you fired the killing shot. Due to the hitbox, it scored for you. This is not only a case of Bloom, but also Bullet Magnetism. Nevertheless, not once did I say that the Bloom that was in Vanilla Reach okay. I even said (in this very thread, no less) that it was implemented incorrectly. If it was implemented correctly, it would work. You misunderstood my argument.[/quote]Even if it was changed, it still lowers the skill gap. The fastest shot with the best aim while firing faster is Halo. This is how it's always been. Edit - it's not hitbox issue. I got lucky because of bloom. If that was to have been on a static reticule, I would have missed. Plain and simple. Bloom allowed me to get lucky, and get the kill.[/quote] "This is how it's always been" does not matter to me. I don't like "this is how it's always been".
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 My post made sense, it just went over your head.[/quote]LOL. I'm done. This will be a good read tomorrow morning.
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Bloom doesn't bother me. /thread
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Viper Skills [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Viper Skills The realism argument has NO validity. Most modern weapons are far more accurate than the DMR.[/quote] Validity does not equal truth. It's valid. You know it as not true.[/quote] What? The DMR fires a 7.62 MM round at a single round burst. Most common modern weapons that fire the SAME round, with a GREATER distance, ALL of which have an option to be fired automatically, semi-automatically, and three-round bursts: M16A4 M4 Carbine AK-47 Not only does your post make no sense at all, but you can't back anything. If you even made a claim (I don't think you did).[/quote] My post made sense, it just went over your head. It's still valid. It just isn't true. [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoundValidTrue]Read this for clarity on this sentence.[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cs burchie v2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 Nevertheless, I implore you to take what I say into consideration. After all, the bigger the skill gap, the better, right?[/quote] Obviously hasn't played the updated MLG playlist.[/quote] You are correct. However, I don't need to play MLG to know what I am talking about.[/quote] I find it hard to believe than you can recognize a change in the skill gap when you get dumped on in almost every game you play. From your POV, everyone is better.
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I'm done with this thread. I'm not going to argue with a captain on the matter of bloom. It's been done, and you've lost by just posting. I'm going to bed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iNinjaVVen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 ... What did that prove? All I see is my number of kills with a DMR. And my number of deaths. From a DMR. By the way, if Bloom enables spamming to win, then dead-on accuracy also enables spamming to win, unless rate of fire is lowered. Even then, at max rate of fire, it's still spam.[/quote]Dead on accuracy assures the best aim will always win. Bloom makes it so one can get lucky in an individual fight. This is pretty simple. You're ignorant on the matter.[/quote] I'm not ignorant. I just can't grasp what you are trying to tell me. If it were implemented correctly, the best aim would still win, but at the same time, the one who took better time to [i]control[/i] said aim (In this latter case, where the bullet would go during a volley of bullets through timed shots).
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Say no to bloom
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iNinjaVVen Want further proof that bloom is broken? [url=http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=25232005&player=aBlueBookshelf]Watch my reticule on the last kill[/url]. I completely missed, but bloom gave me the kill.[/quote] I saw that the enemy was just barely in the reticule when you fired the killing shot. Due to the hitbox, it scored for you. This is not only a case of Bloom, but also Bullet Magnetism. Nevertheless, not once did I say that the Bloom that was in Vanilla Reach okay. I even said (in this very thread, no less) that it was implemented incorrectly. If it was implemented correctly, it would work. You misunderstood my argument.[/quote]Even if it was changed, it still lowers the skill gap. The fastest shot with the best aim while firing faster is Halo. This is how it's always been. Edit - it's not hitbox issue. I got lucky because of bloom. If that was to have been on a static reticule, I would have missed. Plain and simple. Bloom allowed me to get lucky, and get the kill. [Edited on 12.08.2011 9:40 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Viper Skills [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Viper Skills The realism argument has NO validity. Most modern weapons are far more accurate than the DMR.[/quote] Validity does not equal truth. It's valid. You know it as not true.[/quote] What? The DMR fires a 7.62 MM round at a single round burst. Most common modern weapons that fire the SAME round, with a GREATER distance, ALL of which have an option to be fired automatically, semi-automatically, and three-round bursts: M16A4 M4 Carbine AK-47 Not only does your post make no sense at all, but you can't back anything. If you even made a claim (I don't think you did).[/quote] /thread
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iNinjaVVen Want further proof that bloom is broken? [url=http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=25232005&player=aBlueBookshelf]Watch my reticule on the last kill[/url]. I completely missed, but bloom gave me the kill.[/quote] I saw that the enemy was just barely in the reticule when you fired the killing shot. Due to the hitbox, it scored for you. This is not only a case of Bloom, but also Bullet Magnetism. Nevertheless, not once did I say that the Bloom that was in Vanilla Reach okay. I even said (in this very thread, no less) that it was implemented incorrectly. If it was implemented correctly, it would work. You misunderstood my argument.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 ... What did that prove? All I see is my number of kills with a DMR. And my number of deaths. From a DMR. By the way, if Bloom enables spamming to win, then dead-on accuracy also enables spamming to win, unless rate of fire is lowered. Even then, at max rate of fire, it's still spam.[/quote]Dead on accuracy assures the best aim will always win. Bloom makes it so one can get lucky in an individual fight. This is pretty simple. You're ignorant on the matter.
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No bloom is better,. end of discussion. If you disagree than you are a huge idiot and I know you don't want to be a huge idiot.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Viper Skills The realism argument has NO validity. Most modern weapons are far more accurate than the DMR.[/quote] Validity does not equal truth. It's valid. You know it as not true.[/quote] What? The DMR fires a 7.62 MM round at a single round burst. Most common modern weapons that fire the SAME round, with a GREATER distance, ALL of which have an option to be fired automatically, semi-automatically, and three-round bursts: M16A4 M4 Carbine AK-47 Not only does your post make no sense at all, but you can't back anything. If you even made a claim (I don't think you did). [Edited on 12.08.2011 9:34 PM PST]
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Want further proof that bloom is broken? [url=http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=25232005&player=aBlueBookshelf]Watch my reticule on the last kill[/url]. I completely missed, but bloom gave me the kill.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iNinjaVVen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iNinjaVVen Bloom doesn't create a skill gap, it decreases it. You're retarded. Go away. We don't need your opinions on what you think works with Halo. You're under qualified.[/quote] Disprove me, then. I will present evidence proving my point, you present evidence saying otherwise. I will not take no for an answer.[/quote][url=http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/careerstats/weapons.aspx?player=Akamia179&vc=3]Here is my proof[/url]. You have no clue what you're talking about. Bloom enables spamming to win DMR fights, makes kill times long which makes flanking irrelevant and individual skill lowered. It's always the same kids who favor bloom. Always.[/quote] ... What did that prove? All I see is my number of kills with a DMR. And my number of deaths. From a DMR. By the way, if Bloom enables spamming to win, then dead-on accuracy also enables spamming to win, unless rate of fire is lowered. Even then, at max rate of fire, it's still spam.
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I hate bloom because it gives people something to complain about.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Akamia179 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iNinjaVVen Bloom doesn't create a skill gap, it decreases it. You're retarded. Go away. We don't need your opinions on what you think works with Halo. You're under qualified.[/quote] Disprove me, then. I will present evidence proving my point, you present evidence saying otherwise. I will not take no for an answer.[/quote][url=http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/careerstats/weapons.aspx?player=Akamia179&vc=3]Here is my proof[/url]. You have no clue what you're talking about. Bloom enables spamming to win DMR fights, makes kill times long which makes flanking irrelevant and individual skill lowered. It's always the same kids who favor bloom. Always.
