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8/9/2006 5:56:39 PM
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Sergeant Johnson- A SPARTAN I? (Updated)
[b] READ THE FIRST TWO POSTS BEFORE YOU CLICK THE REPLY BUTTON [/b]
The update is at the bottom of the second post.
HALO GRAPHIC NOVEL SPOILERS BELOW.
I have been suspicious of Johnson sense I read the Fall of Reach and learned that he was on Gamma Station. I’ve always thought that he was more than just a normal marine. I even suggested that he did not have borens syndrome. Of course, I was called crazy and people to me that he was just a normal marine, there was nothing more too him, and he did have Borens syndrome.
Now I’m going to show you my new evidence that Johnson is NOT a normal marine, and that the Borens Syndrome was just a cover for something else.
Those of you who have the Halo Graphic Novel have seen page 122, by Robert Mclees. In the upper left conner of the page there is something that says
[quote] Project: ORION\RESTRICTED ACESS
NavSpecWarCom
\\GrONE\SnTmA\sn
Projetc: ORION\RESTRCITED ACESS
CRPL Johnson, Avery Junior
48789-2094-AJ
System: HARVEST
Operation: KALEIDOSCOPE
2502.(I can’t read the rest of the date)
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What is Project Orion? We find out on page 16 of The Flood
[quote] In order to deal with increasing civil turmoil the Colonial Military Administration had secretly launched Project ORION back in 2491. The purpose of the program was to develop super soldiers codenamed “Spartans,” who would receive special training and physical augmentation.
The Initial effort was successful, and in 2517 a new group of Spartans , the II-series, had been selected as the new generation of supersoldier. [/quote]
I think that this shows that Avery Johnson is a Spartan I. We learn that he was with Projetc ORION, which was the Spartan program. The date is 2502, which is before the Spartan II were selected, which would mean that he is a Spartan I. There is even more evidence on page 122 that Johnson is a Spartan I.
There are two main boxes of text on the page. One is a log of a chat between two people. The other appears to be a log of a data query. They are both very interesting.
[quote] 2552:09:12:15:25:30:08 - 2552:09:12:15(rest is hidden behind photograph)
mike44236: No, this is not a thinly veiled attempt to query how many ones are still active. I am merely trying to discern what is up with this interest spike on alpha juliett juliett 20114?
echo23023: I don't know? His current proximity to one of the two MB? Isn't all that junk automated?
mike44236: Thanx and yes. The query was intercepted with the Paris/BS spoof. But what am I supposed to do now?
echo23023: Whaddayamean? Send counter-query right? Isn't there anyone local? WTF?RUnoobMB?
mike44236: Ha ha ha :-P. The query is from the Gettysburg and it's got charlie hotel 4695's thumbs all over it.
echo23023: First that ass juliett alpha 20101: now, that goddamn [i]charlie hotel 4695!?! It sounds like a big red button time to me, cupcake! I guess the whelps see all the grey hair and figure they can run willy-nilly through their elders secret dells.
mike4436: Umm..that's what it sounds like to me, too. But you see the pickle I'm in now, don't you? Uh...The Young Masters may be wise in the ways of magick but the Sorcerer Kings have not yet---
echo23023: WTF!?! Lolz!!!!one! Wise in the ways of MAGICK!?! Sorcerer Kings?2?!?!! Roflmao!!!!!!!eleven!!
mike4436: Ok fine! You can make allusions about wolves you SOB but when I try to get creative you've gotta be a total---
echo23023: Sorry sorry! Look I didn't mean it like that. Anyways... what level is your elf wizard? (^o^) hehehe!
mike4436: Sooooo... alpha20101 and hotel4696 have both made queries and even though both of them have deep deep access, the files they are looking for are SEALED from the TOP and are STICKY to boot!
echo23023: Either of them given you reason to suspect juliett20114 is a one?
didn't counter-query- didn't want to heap that kind of grief on any of ours- so I gave it a red check and forwarded it to Section 0.
echo23023: Well, that's a bit like spinning the cylinder, isn't it? That hammer's gonna drop eventually.
mike4436: Yeah, but not on me! Not with golf51979 as Section Head. he was top at Misriah, MISRIAH for Pete's sake!
echo23023: And for some reason you don't think it was a political move? Alpha20101 was a yoan gahn dur tzan sze at one time too, right?
mike4436: Be that as it may, golf51979 doesn't play that fiefdom crap like tango27(rest of numbers hidden behind photograph)did. Golf51979 was a military appointment . Sierral10852 was executed for the Herzog killing.
echo23023: Oh no you didn't! [/quote]
[quote]
[b] Proof of data query “spoof” voluntarily submitted after submission of official release of information request [/b]
2552:09:12:04:16:22:01
C:\>sftp-ks 1024 sftp.unsc.marmedrec.mil
Connecting to ely.sol.terra.au.marmedrec.mil (1024 mbit tunnel)
Connected to ely.sol.terra.au.marmedrec.mil
220 ely.sol.terra.au.marmedrec.mil SFTP server ready
User (ely.sol.terra.au.marmedrec.mil:(none)): HALSEYSRB4695
Password:
< >
sftp> hash
Hash mark printing on (1024 bytes /hash mark).
sftp> get 48789-20114-AJ.txt
450 file unavailable, please retry
sftp> get 48789-20114-AJ.txt
200 PORT command okay.
150 Opening data connection for 48789-20114-AJ.txt(FAE;144:FEAC:67:CCF8187:AEAA:81:322).
###################
226 Transfer complete.
16494 bytes sent in 0.98 seconds (16 Kbytes/s)
hunter>watching *;*;*;*;*;*;* sftp.marmedrec.mil (ARP)
hunter> sftp init EA15EE95CE32:EE28:AA34:3:3283:EA83 *> sftp.unsc.marmedrec.mil [1024 mbit tunnel]
hunter>RACE START sftp.unsc.marmedrec.mil [36k CPU utl]
hunter>
hunter>
hunter>
hunter> RACE FINISHED [1024 mbit tunnel in 0.239238s]
rly sftp.unsc.marmedrec.mil
blk PUT:GET:SEND
hunter> sftp.unsc.marmedrec.mil> Connected to ely.sol.terra.au.marmedrec.mil
hunter> sftp.unsc.marmedrec.mil> ely.sol.terra.au.marmedrec.mil SFTP server ready
hunter> sftp.unsc.marmedrec.mil> User (ely.sol.terra.au.marmedrec.mil:(none)):
hunter> EA15EE95CE32:EE28:AA34:3:3283:EA83> HALSEYSRB4695
hunter> sftp.unsc.marmedrec.mil> Password:
hunter> EA15EE95CE32:EE28:AA34:3:3283:EA83> dOc7OR$Ord3r5
< < Login page data excised for brevity > >
hunter> EA15EE95CE32:EE28:AA34:3:3283:EA83>hash
hunter> sftp.unsc.marmedrec.mil> hash mark printing on (1024 bytes/has mark)
hunter> EA15EE95CE32:EE28:AA34:3:3283:EA83>get 48789-20114-AJ.txt
hunter> BLK 48789-20114-AJ.txt
RPUT c:\files\P_BS48789-2011-AJ.txt ON NEXT GET
hunter> EA15EE95CE32:EE28:AA34:3:3283:EA83>get 48789-20114-AJ.txt
hunter> PUT c:\files\P-BS48789-20114-AJ.txt
hunter> 200 PORT command okay.
Hunter> 150 Opening data connection for 48789-20114-AJ.txt(FAE;144:FEAC:67:CCF8187:AEAA:81:322).
hunter> ###########
hunter> 226 transfer complete
hunter> 16494 bytes sent in 0.98 seconds (16 Tbytes/s) [/quote]
Take a look at the chat log.
[quote] 2552:09:12:15:25:30:08 - 2552:09:12:15(rest is hidden behind photograph)
mike44236: No, this is not a thinly veiled attempt to query how many [I] ones [/I] are still active. I am merely trying to discern what is up with this interest spike on alpha juliett juliett 20114? [/quote]
First take a look at the date. September 12th, 2552. At this time the Gettysburg, is in slipspace heading towards to the rebel asteroid base. This is a short time after Dr Halsey talks to John about Johnson and how he survived the Flood.
When Mike is talking about ones I think he is taking about the Spartans Is. I think that alpha juliett juliett 20114 is Johnson. I’ll go into my reasoning a little later.
quote] echo23023: I don't know? His current proximity to one of the twos MB? Isn't all that junk automated? [/quote]
By “twos” I think echo mean the Spartan-IIs. Johnson is in close proximity with John.
[quote]
mike44236: Thanx and yes. The query was intercepted with the Paris/BS spoof. But what am I supposed to do now? [/quote]
“Paris/BS spoof” What could that be…
On page 244 of First Strike Dr. Halsey tells Jon that Johnson wasn’t infected by the flood because he had [b]B[/b]orens [b]S[/b]yndrome. The Boren’s Syndrome was caused by exposure to radiation when Johnson used a full crate of plasma grenades on [b] Paris [/b] IV.
See the connection? Boren’s Syndrome is abbreviated to BS. Paris is Paris IV. It was a spoof, a hoax. Of course, I doubt that Dr. Halsey knew that it was a hoax.
[quote] Ha ha ha :-P. The query is from the Gettysburg and it's got charlie hotel 4695's thumbs all over it. [/quote]
This is part of what makes me think that alpha juliett juliett 20114 is Johnson. Dr. Halsey is charlie hotel 4695. Charlie Hotel=CH=Catherine Halsey.
When she was on the Gettysburg she did a query to get the medical records of Johnson. This conversation takes place a few hours after she talked to John about Johnson’s medical conditions. To find out more we have to look at the the query that Dr. Halsey sent:
[quote] 2552:09:12:04:16:22:01
C:\>sftp-ks 1024 sftp.unsc.marmedrec.mil
Connecting to ely.sol.terra.au.marmedrec.mil (1024 mbit tunnel)
Connected to ely.sol.terra.au.marmedrec.mil
220 ely.sol.terra.au.marmedrec.mil SFTP server ready
User (ely.sol.terra.au.marmedrec.mil:(none)): HALSEYSRB4695
Password: [/quote]
The first thing to look at is the Date/time stamp. This was sent about 15 minutes before Halsey talked to John about Johnson condition.
We can assume that Halsey is sending this because of the username, which is HALSEYSRB4695. This also confirms that Halsey is Charlie Hotel 4695. She is connecting to unsc.marmedrec.mil. I’m guessing that this is a medical facility because of the “med” in the name.
[Edited on 12.16.2007 4:32 PM PST]
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I love how everyone lays their ideas down as if they are meant to be read by seven year olds. It funny. Anywho the thread starter is right. Everything adds up for Johnson being a part of the ORION project is a perfect fit. Congrats on formulating it for us dumb folk :).
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The original Spartan are, of course, the Spartans of Sparta, Greece who fought the Persian Armies at the Battle of Thermopylae. The original Spartan in the UNSC, the Spartan -I's, are from something called Project ORION - The UNSC's first attempt at making super soldiers. This is elaborated on both in First Strike, and the ARG Halo 2 viral marketing campaign called ilovebees. [b]EDIT:[/b] Although it is NOT canon, the ilovebees campaign claimed that the Spartan -I's underwent augmentations. [Edited on 08.02.2007 1:52 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] redvsblueperson [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] UnstopableSayain Good theory but unfortunatly, The Spartan 1's lived in Sparta and fought Greeks, Hundreds of years ago. They were the greatest warriors in acient history they would get between 10 and fifteen kills each before falling, and that is why they used the name again for the spartan 2's. Sergant Johnson could not be involved with the Spartan program, because if he had the physical enhancements that The Chief has he would wear the armor. Only those with the augmentations can wear the armor because only their bones are strong enough to take the speed.[/quote] i think the theory guy has a point, cause the orion project was before the sII's, and in the first book it's said they are the first spartans. so im with the guy with the theory[/quote]Yes but the previous suits were inneffective the mjolnir suits were a brand new tech and also the spartan 1's may or may not have had those procedures just exceptional training like our navy seals.
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Great theory! The thing is, aren't Spartan 1's from Sparta and Greece? As in the movie 300. I remember something like that being in "The Fall of Reach" The Spartan II's watched a holograph movie of the battle. They are trained in combat and warfare just like the Spartans of old Greece, hence the name Spartan II's. edit- Read page 39 of "The Fall of Reach" Thats where I'd assume Spartan I's are The Greek ones. [Edited on 08.02.2007 1:50 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan Savior I respect your opinions Hammer, but the beginning of the Gallery section of the HGN never explicitly stated the works weren't cannon, it just says that each one is "a new vision of what their vision of Halo is". Granted, Mister Chief is not cannon, but nothing said that all the works were or were not. As for evidence, the discussion between ONI spooks seems to be referring to attempts by "charlie hotel 4695" on the Gettysburg and "juilett alpha 20101"(whose described as an ass, not unlike a certain Colonel responsible for a heck of a lot of black ops.) to find out more about Johnson's past. In FS, we learn Dr. Catherine Halsey did some probing on the frigate the Gettysburg to learn what made Johnson immune from the Flood. The discussion also talks about Johnson as a "one" and his closeness with a "two". Also, the second blurb is from an ONI security AI as it intercepts a data request from a user called HALSEYSRB469S to the UNSC's marine medical database about a medical file tagged with Johnson's serial number. The security AI then switches out the requested file for another one. The time stamps on both the data intersection and the spooks' discussion is 9/12/2552, the same day Dr. Halsey talks to John about Johnson. Personally, I find it hard to dismiss this "artists rendition" , just because Mister Chief is in the same section.[/quote] And like I said - I respect that opinion. I find it highly respectable that no one has busted out in flames yet over my conclusions. I have read the material, as a matter of fact I have it right infront of me as I'm typing this. The following quote is taken from the [b][u]Gallery[/u][/b] section of the HGN, where the convo about Johnson is found: [quote] [b][u]Gallery[/u][/b] In the process of assembling the artists for the preceding stories, we found ourselves with a grim dilemna. We'd gone to enormous effort, and made contact with these incredibly talented artists, and we wouldn't be able to use them all in just four stories. Well, we didn't want to waste what was effectively a providential opportunity. So we did what we always do: we made it work. We assigned every artist who'd agree to submit a [b]gallery piece, their own unique interpretation of a moment from the Halo universe.[/b] Each contributor, from the pantheon of contemporary artists to the dusty halls of Bungie itself, ceated a [b]new vision of what their vision of Halo is.[/b] And here they are. Enjoy them. We did.[/quote] I've highlighted the words that point out these are merely artist creations, nothing related to story. Each artist did their own rendition. If the Johnson spoof WERE true, it would make an excellent plot twist, but there's not enough credibility to prove it s canon - or even factual. (Of course the times are going to match - Robt McLees would have a heart attack if his rendition didn't match up with the fictional plot event that is supposed to simultaneously coincide with this art piece.)
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Dude not only is that a sweet theory its proven!!! Sgt. Johnson FTW he was always my favorite character!!!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Guelao umm from what i gathered from my resuarch he is a spartan 1. but much more then a spartan 1 or a 1.1( a child of a spartan 1) how do we know he is a spartan. well spartans(or reclaimers, another theory that is out there) can use forerunner tech with out thinking, they jest know what butten to hit and what it does.( he drove the scarabe and in the books it doesn't say any where that he had training to do so.) spartans heal faster then most, and our Johnson here aslo has flood DNA in him. that makes him heal alot faster. he did not get infected due to the fact that he used a crate of plasma grenades and got a hiegh dose of redeasion(damn i need to work on my gramer. ^_^ i are smart) [/quote] Okay, you say you gathered that he is a Spartan 1 from your research?? PM me with your sources and evidence to support your claim -OR- as I'm sure opog won't mind, post them on here. And no, the only one that has demonstrated that ability is Master Chief (when he extended the Forerunner Light Bridge on Halo 04). Fred demonstrated the ability to recognize Covenant controls when he fought inside the Wraith Tank on Reach. Johnson is a different story. He knew how to drive the Scarab cause A.) Intelligence had already encountered Scarabs on Reach, and ran simulations of the mechanical walkers throughout the UNSC Marine Core, thus giving Johnson the knowledge to do so, and B.) The Scarab is Covenant technology, not Forerunner. Although the Covenant are immitative of Forerunner mechanics (such as plasma driven machines), the Scarab is not a Forerunner creation. By the time Halo 2 comes around, the UNSC has had extensive intel gathered on Covenant controls, weapons, mechanics, and technology. Johnson was well versed in how to handle the Scarab before he jumped on the thing. Johnson heals [b]alittle[/b] faster than other humans cause the Flood DNA inadvertantly left him the regenerative ability in his cells.
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I respect your opinions Hammer, but the beginning of the Gallery section of the HGN never explicitly stated the works weren't cannon, it just says that each one is "a new vision of what their vision of Halo is". Granted, Mister Chief is not cannon, but nothing said that all the works were or were not. As for evidence, the discussion between ONI spooks seems to be referring to attempts by "charlie hotel 4695" on the Gettysburg and "juilett alpha 20101"(whose described as an ass, not unlike a certain Colonel responsible for a heck of a lot of black ops.) to find out more about Johnson's past. In FS, we learn Dr. Catherine Halsey did some probing on the frigate the Gettysburg to learn what made Johnson immune from the Flood. The discussion also talks about Johnson as a "one" and his closeness with a "two". Also, the second blurb is from an ONI security AI as it intercepts a data request from a user called HALSEYSRB469S to the UNSC's marine medical database about a medical file tagged with Johnson's serial number. The security AI then switches out the requested file for another one. The time stamps on both the data intersection and the spooks' discussion is 9/12/2552, the same day Dr. Halsey talks to John about Johnson. Personally, I find it hard to dismiss this "artists rendition" , just because Mister Chief is in the same section. I'm not saying this theory is definite fact, but it does seem to be a little much for just a coincidence. [Edited on 08.02.2007 1:30 AM PDT]
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umm from what i gathered from my resuarch he is a spartan 1. but much more then a spartan 1 or a 1.1( a child of a spartan 1) how do we know he is a spartan. well spartans(or reclaimers, another theory that is out there) can use forerunner tech with out thinking, they jest know what butten to hit and what it does.( he drove the scarabe and in the books it doesn't say any where that he had training to do so.) spartans heal faster then most, and our Johnson here aslo has flood DNA in him. that makes him heal alot faster. he did not get infected due to the fact that he used a crate of plasma grenades and got a hiegh dose of redeasion(damn i need to work on my gramer. ^_^ i are smart) [Edited on 08.02.2007 1:18 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x Hammer 220 -- Sure, so the HGN picture is not canon. But now, what you are really suggesting is that Robt McLees, keeper of the Halo story bible, is intentionally misleading Bungie fans through his rendition of the HGN picture. While this is not outside the realm of possibility, Bungie Studios employees have never, I repeat [i]never[/i] misled Bungie fans about the storyline of any Bungie game. But they have been known to hide hints about storyline and plot in materials that are not considered official story canon. Thus, your thoughts fall much further outside the realm of likelihood than opog's. I disagree with your posts.[/quote] And you know what, I respect that. No one said you're not entitled to your own opinon o_o But my argument still stands. There isn't enough evidence to support Johnson as a Spartan -I. All we have is conjecture and renditions - despite the plot hints inside other materials. I never claimed Bungie was intentionally misleading people. I said that the rendition of the Johnson Project ORION page wasn't credible enough, as far as story wise, to base anything off of. I wasn't suggesting anything about Robt McLees, other than the fact that he drew or interpretted the rendition as his creation in the Gallery section - which isn't canon. He never misled anyone at all, but simply rendered a creation for the enjoyment of Halo art. I know full well what Bungie is capable of and what little hints they leave (ie. the [i]Cortana Letters[/i], anyone remember those?). Foman123, if memory serves me correctly, you've been an avid opog follower for alittle over a year now. It is no surprise that you would defend this theory, like you have many others. But just because a theory is well thought out and coupled with good creativity does not make it fact. And no offense, but I've witnessed you in past debates criticize people simply for disagreeing with opog. Please my friend, don't be hypocritical. And no, my thoughts stick to the words written down on paper, rather than streaming off on creative tangents. Thus my thoughts stick closer to the realm of likelihood than you want to admit. I'm not bashing or flaming opog's theory. On the contrary, I admire the creativity he puts behind his thoughts and ideas. Him and I have had this debate before over Johnson being a Spartan -I. I simply do not agree with his conclusions. Plain and simple. Like I said before, however, we will find out more when [i]Halo: Contact Harvest[/i] is released :) [Edited on 08.02.2007 1:17 AM PDT]
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Hammer 220 -- Sure, so the HGN picture is not canon. But now, what you are really suggesting is that Robt McLees, keeper of the Halo story bible, is intentionally misleading Bungie fans through his rendition of the HGN picture. While this is not outside the realm of possibility, Bungie Studios employees have never, I repeat [i]never[/i] misled Bungie fans about the storyline of any Bungie game. But they have been known to hide hints about storyline and plot in materials that are not considered official story canon. Thus, your thoughts fall much further outside the realm of likelihood than opog's. I disagree with your posts.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ghost Unknown It is canon, a story writer plans everything out before he/she puts pen to paper. Also, this theory fits tightly like everything else in the Haloverse. It, or parts of it, must be true.[/quote] It is NOT canon, it was an artist rendition inside the Gallery section in the HGN. The beginning of the section clearly states that the renditions following have nothing to do with story. It is simply an artist's creation and creatively inspired art work of their view into the Halo Universe. Also, this theory is just that - a theory. There isn't enough evidence yet to back it up as fact. Just because a theory is creatively thought out does not make it true. Evidence makes it true, and not evidence found in fictional renditions. Especially when the renditions are clearly stated as not story related. To fully credit the Johnson Spartan -I rendtion would arbitrarily and by default put Mister Chief as canon, and we all know that Mister Chief is just an artists expression of creativity.
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holla at a playa..damn that was a large post
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It is canon, a story writer plans everything out before he/she puts pen to paper. Also, this theory fits tightly like everything else in the Haloverse. It, or parts of it, must be true.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sniper_dude2 in the books it said he used to many stickies he was to close to and thats what kept the flood from biting him i recall[/quote] Yep, he used a whole crate of plasma grenades, giving him Borens Syndrome, and also shortening his lifespan because of the radiation. This whole thing about Johnson being a Spartan -I is based off of an artist rendition by Robt McLees inside the Gallery section of the HGN...right along side Mister Chief, the flood prophet of mercy, and a handful of other renditions that have no story credibility whatsoever. It even says so at the beginning of the Gallery section. Still, opogjijijp is entitled to his opinion and his theories, and as such I will respect that. We will probably have an answer to this silly conundrum once [i]Halo: Contact Harvest[/i] is released. [b]EDIT:[/b] Oh, and before anyone starts, I KNOW who Robt McLees is. I know he works for Bungie and is the holder of the Halo Story Bible, but that DOES NOT mean that every rendition he writes is canon. Especially when it is stated before hand. [Edited on 08.01.2007 11:30 PM PDT]
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in the books it said he used to many stickies he was to close to and thats what kept the flood from biting him i recall
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ok ive seen this so many times in different threads, srgt johnson went through spartan training and all that stuff
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Lol, opogjijijp. You still crusading about that Gallery artist rendition from Robt McLees?? That's your whole foundation for your theory that Sgt. Johnson is a Spartan -I?? Sounds quite farfetched if you ask me. Alas, we will see more when Staten's novel is released.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Artisan of Death [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RoundeyeSamurai My thoughts are that Sgt Johnson Jr is the son of a Spartan I, thus explaining the inconstitencies in the timeline and the fact that he is a hell of a lot younger than 70+ years old. Also since he is a Jr, he shares the same name and initials as his father. Avery J. Johnson Jr, is the son of Avery J. Johnson Sr (Spartan I). His unexplained (or BS theory) ability to resist the flood infection may be due to a genetic difference he has cause by his fathers 'augmentation' from the Spartan I program. Just a thought![/quote] Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it say in the books that the Spartan IIs had a suppressed sex drive and (if I'm not mistaken) they were made sterile by their augmentations? The only way that I see Avery Johnson Jr. as having genetic coding from Avery Johnson Sr. (assuming that Sr. was indeed a Spartan I) would be if Avery Johnson Jr. was a clone of Avery Johnson Sr. Of course, there is no way of knowing if the severity or effects of the Spartan I program even come close to the results of the Spartan IIs. Just a thought.[/quote] The Fall of Reach says that a potential side affect of the augmentations was a suppressed sex drive.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RoundeyeSamurai My thoughts are that Sgt Johnson Jr is the son of a Spartan I, thus explaining the inconstitencies in the timeline and the fact that he is a hell of a lot younger than 70+ years old. Also since he is a Jr, he shares the same name and initials as his father. Avery J. Johnson Jr, is the son of Avery J. Johnson Sr (Spartan I). His unexplained (or BS theory) ability to resist the flood infection may be due to a genetic difference he has cause by his fathers 'augmentation' from the Spartan I program. Just a thought![/quote] Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it say in the books that the Spartan IIs had a suppressed sex drive and (if I'm not mistaken) they were made sterile by their augmentations? The only way that I see Avery Johnson Jr. as having genetic coding from Avery Johnson Sr. (assuming that Sr. was indeed a Spartan I) would be if Avery Johnson Jr. was a clone of Avery Johnson Sr. Of course, there is no way of knowing if the severity or effects of the Spartan I program even come close to the results of the Spartan IIs. Just a thought.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] purple cypress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RoundeyeSamurai My thoughts are that Sgt Johnson Jr is the son of a Spartan I, thus explaining the inconstitencies in the timeline and the fact that he is a hell of a lot younger than 70+ years old. Also since he is a Jr, he shares the same name and initials as his father. Avery J. Johnson Jr, is the son of Avery J. Johnson Sr (Spartan I). His unexplained (or BS theory) ability to resist the flood infection may be due to a genetic difference he has cause by his fathers 'augmentation' from the Spartan I program. Just a thought![/quote] Spartan augmentations are not genetic. AJ Johnson Jr. wouldn't inherit anything from his father. [/quote] Actually, the Spartans 1.1 [b]did[/b] inherit their abilities from their Spartan 1 parents. Even if it isn't genetic, most of the chemical cocktails, implants, etc. caused genetic mutations in the DNA of Spartan Is & II's & mutations are inherited by offspring. Plus you have to add that the participants of the SI & SII programs had genetic markers in their DNA that meant that they were the creme of the crop of the human species. They were genetically as close to perfect human beings as you could get & that would be inherited by their kids too.. [Edited on 08.01.2007 10:53 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RoundeyeSamurai My thoughts are that Sgt Johnson Jr is the son of a Spartan I, thus explaining the inconstitencies in the timeline and the fact that he is a hell of a lot younger than 70+ years old. Also since he is a Jr, he shares the same name and initials as his father. Avery J. Johnson Jr, is the son of Avery J. Johnson Sr (Spartan I). His unexplained (or BS theory) ability to resist the flood infection may be due to a genetic difference he has cause by his fathers 'augmentation' from the Spartan I program. Just a thought![/quote] Nice thought but the marine ID # for the ORION Johnson and Halsey's query on FS's Johnson is the same making him the same Johnson. As for people STILL arguing about the Spartans I's were from Sparta. It wasn't a "special" "top secret" program back then, it was their way of life. Whichj resulted in Spartan warriors. Not Bio-enhanced super soldiers.
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Maybe we can learn the truth in Contact Harvest.......cant remember when it comes out
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Wow, this is cool. Nice find and I have to say you ARE a true Halo fan.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dream053 Dear lord man... Spartans were from Sparta, yes. The soldiers in the first phase of Project Orion were [b][u]code-named[/b][/u] Spartans, referencing the ancient Spartan race. They are called Spartan 1's because they are Spartan version 1.0. Version 1.0 of the Spartan project. This is shown not only in his quote of the novel (which you should have read), but also in the ilovebees radio drama. [b]Project Orion[/b]: The first wave of super-soldiers are codenamed Spartan I's (aka Spartan 1.0) --Spartan 1.0 having kids = Spartan 1.1 (16 exist/existed. This is shown in the I Love Bees radio drama. As it stands, I don't believe it is canon) [b]Spartan Project by Catherine Halsey[/b]: Second wave of super-soldiers codenamed Spartan II's (aka Spartan 2.0) [b]S-III Project by Colonel Ackerson / Spartan II Kurt "Ambrose"[/b]: Third (and final?) wave of super-soldiers codenamed Spartan III's (aka Spartan 3.0)[/quote] omg. project orion was a spartan program. codename spartan. but wasnt the spartan I program. that was ancient greece. orion was just codenamed spartans. they werent spartan I project. the current spartans were part of the spartan II project. not orion 2 codename spartan project. and in the book, the Ai thats teacing the kids refers to the ancient greece spartans as spartan I program. [/quote] Wait, didn't Kurt die in FOR when John, Lin, and either Kurt or Alex went to blow up the first seen Covie Ship?
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2502 09.13.14.50.23 (Symbol), That's all I could see in the top left thing. [Edited on 08.01.2007 9:19 AM PDT]
