[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KillgSpree56 Well because of several things, the time he spends fighting the covenant that coensides witht the training of Spartan3s, [/quote] We don't know how much time he spent fighting the Covenant aside from Harvest and what we've seen in the Halo games. Additionally, I don't think he spent all those years just training SIIIs. [quote] the lack of mention of Akherson at all, [/quote] There was probably no reason for Ackerson to be interested in Johnson in 2525. [quote] Not to mention the very end of the book saying that hes going to finally become the soldier that everybody needs him to be in order to lead the war against the covenant. [/quote] But do we know that he actually does go spend all his time fighting the Covenant? No. We don't. All the evidence indicates that Johnson and COALMINER are the same person.

Well because of several things, the time he spends fighting the covenant that coensides witht the training of Spartan3s, the lack of mention of Akherson at all, (it even mentioned Dr. Halsey at some point in the series) Not to mention the very end of the book saying that hes going to finally become the soldier that everybody needs him to be in order to lead the war against the covenant. I dont think that going undercover and training spartan 3s that never even are heard of by anybody is really 'the fighter everybody needs him to be'. It seems almost aparent that Johnson spends the most of his time in engagements or in cryo. Also dont forget in The Flood it says that Johnson spent many many years just traveling on and across planets.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KillgSpree56 Unfortunatly I think we all can say with confidence that he wasn't COALMINER [/quote] Really? Why's that?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hammer 220 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KillgSpree56 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hammer 220 The answer will come with the release of [i]Halo: Contact Harvest[/i][/quote] Not necessarily. Halo Contact harvest starts further along in Srgnt Johnsons life than you'd think.[/quote] True, true. But we don't know that yet, do we? I think that the next novel will AT LEAST shed some light on this theory and on Johnson as a whole. We will see what story it tells when it is released. ...as I said before x_o[/quote] Well, I was right about the book happening so late in Johnson's life. It also proves he is a S1 by the occaisional reference to project ORION. (The Flood page 16 explains what that is) Well done, Opog you were right about Johnson being a Spartan 1. Unfortunatly I think we all can say with confidence that he wasn't COALMINER

Contact Harvet Spoilers CH proves that at least part of page 122 is canon

There wasn't a doubt in my mind that he was a spartan 1 once halo 2 started, he was just kicking to much butt... especially for looking 55(that's how old he seemed to me) the only thing that seriously bothers me is the level of technology- 500 years in the future we have augmented superhumans, AI constructs, and gigabit networks with terminals running SFTP with CLI... no god forbid they be more advanced than todays current computer user....

i dont see how you could be wrong, this has to be true

Your ideas are original and interesting, I wish to subscribe to your news letter.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WhirlinOwl just wondering, does it say who illustrated that picture of the conversation in the graphic novel?[/quote] Robert McLees.

Good theory and probably true.

just wondering, does it say who illustrated that picture of the conversation in the graphic novel?

I think there's a good chance that this will be cleared up in the upcoming novel, contact harvest. Most of your theory's seem VERY probable, I think you're right.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KillgSpree56 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp Anyone of the 4 marines could be "COALMINER" but I think that Johnson is the most probable choice. Sergeant Johnson was part of the Spartan-I program, and all of his files have been sealed by ONI. [/quote] Actually, any of the [i] surviving [i] marines could be COALMINER. There could have been other officers who were killed by the Covenant attack, or just escaped the Circumfrence that possibly could be Akhersons informer. Also, after reading the messages sent by Coalminer and reading/listening how Johnson talks, it looks and sounds like they are two different people. [/quote] It's not impossible for someones style of writing and speech to be different. I know I'm capable of making large changes to both my style of speech and writing. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp We also know from the HGN that Ackerson has been interested Johnson, and was trying to get into Johnson's files and he suspects that Johnson is a Spartan-I [/quote] It's kinda disputed that the pictures at the end of the HGN are in fact canon. It says that they are just artists illustrations of their view of the Halo Universe, nothing more. Artists illustrations of a moment from the Halo Universe. I think we can assume page 122 is canon.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp Anyone of the 4 marines could be "COALMINER" but I think that Johnson is the most probable choice. Sergeant Johnson was part of the Spartan-I program, and all of his files have been sealed by ONI. [/quote] Actually, any of the [i] surviving [i] marines could be COALMINER. There could have been other officers who were killed by the Covenant attack, or just escaped the Circumfrence that possibly could be Akhersons informer. Also, after reading the messages sent by Coalminer and reading/listening how Johnson talks, it looks and sounds like they are two different people. Plus, I'm not positive, but I think it says in The Flood that Johnson spent most of his time logged going from planet to planet., or sent around fighting Covenant. (I'll find page number later.) [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp We also know from the HGN that Ackerson has been interested Johnson, and was trying to get into Johnson's files and he suspects that Johnson is a Spartan-I [/quote] It's kinda disputed that the pictures at the end of the HGN are in fact canon. It says that they are just artists illustrations of their view of the Halo Universe, nothing more. [quote] Queries detected from transient AI. Operation deemed AT RISK of being uncovered. As per contingency plan TANGO: ship registration num- bers scrambled; hard isolated from dockside computer network; Counterintrusion software implemented; Alpha se- curity protocols enacted onboard. Just as you called it, sir. Don’t worry—as far as the sta- ion computers are concerned, Circumference never even existed. [/quote] How did they find the Circumference if it was in stealth and had no record on the station or even in the shipyard?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KillgSpree56 I always thought coalminer was the codename of Akherson or one of Akkherson's left hand men once he was the main imput of the King Under the Mountain file. It would make sense: He was the one who found Forerunner structure in the coal mines under the center on Reach.[/quote] I think SURGEON is Ackerson. I made a post about Chapter 30 of TFOR and Chapter 7 of GoO in The Wacthers. Becuase I'm too lazy to rewrite it, I'll just quote it here. [quote] Here is chapter 7 of Ghosts of Onyx: [quote] 0000 HOURS JANUARY 19, 2532 (MILITARY CALENDAR)/ NARROW-BAND POINT-TO-POINT TRANSMISSION: ORIGIN UNKNOWN; TERMINATION; SECTION THREE, OMEGA SECURE ANTENNA ARRAY, UNSC HQ EPSILON ERIDANI SYSTEM, REACH MILITARY COMPLEX ///AUTOMATED REROUTE UNSC SHIP REG 96667 ABY/// File Access Granted///Worm-Protocol Firewall Enabled/File Erased/// PLNB Transmission XX087R-XX Encryption Code: Gamma Public Key: N/A From: CODE NAME COALMINER To: CODE NAME SURGEON Subject: PROGRESS REPORT/OPERATION HYPODERMIC CLASSIFICATION: EYES ONLY, CODE-WORD [THIS IS BLACKED OUT IN THE BOOK ] TOP SECRET (SECTION THREE X-RAY DIRECTIVE) /file extraction-reconstitution complete/ /start file/ Institutional records altered as per instructions. Initial contact with base AI made. Helpful, but I don't trust it. Packages delivered. Selection process started. Operation underway and on schedule. Candidates exhibit marked aggression well out of bounds of the Smith-Kensington index. As much work training them as it is keeping them from murdering each other. They're real hellcats Lieutenant claims all under control. He has a plan for everything. Unsure where he's getting this confidence, but I do believe he knows what he's doing. Are you surprised? /end file/ /scramble destruction process enable/ Pres ENTER to continue. [/quote] Here is Chapter 30 of The Fall of Reach [quote] 0000 Hours, August 29, 2552 (Military Calendar) / narrow-band point-to-point transmission: origin UNKNOWN; termination: Section Three, Omega secure antenna array, UNSC HQ Epsilon Eridani System, Reach Military Complex PLNB priority Transmission XX087R-XX Encryption code: GAMMA Public Key: N/A From: CODENAME: COALMINER To: CODENAME: SURGEON Subject: PROGRESS REPORT/OPERATION HYPODERMIC Classification EYES ONLY TOP SECRET (SECTION III X-RAY DIRECTIVE) /file extraction-reconstitution complete/ /start file/ Secured space-dock repair bay. Corvette Circumference undergoing final stealth upgrades. Shipyard records suc- cessfully altered. Queries detected from transient AI. Operation deemed AT RISK of being uncovered. As per contingency plan TANGO: ship registration num- bers scrambled; hard isolated from dockside computer network; Counterintrusion software implemented; Alpha se- curity protocols enacted onboard. Just as you called it, sir. Don’t worry—as far as the sta- ion computers are concerned, Circumference never even existed. /end file/ /scramble-destructuion process enabled/ Press ENTER to continue. [/quote] Both messages were sent from unknown location to a Section III antenna array on Reach at UNSC HighCom. In the two messages both the sender and the receiver are the same, and both messages are progress reports on operation Hypodermic. I believe that the first message was sent from Onyx: [quote] Initial contact with base AI made. Helpful, but I don't trust it. [/quote] The base at Onyx has one AI. [quote] Packages delivered. Selection process started. Operation underway and on schedule. [/quote] In the previous chapter, 500 kids were delivered to Onyx to become Spartan IIIs. However, there are only 300 training slots available, so the instructors have to select 300 of the kids. The operation that COALMINER mentions could be the Spartan-III program. [quote] Candidates exhibit marked aggression well out of bounds of the Smith-Kensington index. As much work training them as it is keeping them from murdering each other. They're real hellcats. [/quote] I think that this gives us a clue as to who "COALMINER" may be. In the previous chapter two of the kids get into a fight, and an unnamed Sergeant tries to intervene and gets punched in the eye. He tells Mendez that "These two were going to kill each other." Operation HYPODERMIC is the Spartan-III program, and COALMINER is one of the instructors on Onyx. From this, it's not clear who he is reporting too. We know that it is someone is ONI, and I think that it could be Ackerson. If it is Ackerson, I find it interesting that he is having someone other than Kurt or Mendez report to him. The second transmission was sent from Gamma station: [quote] Secured space-dock repair bay. Corvette Circumference undergoing final stealth upgrades. Shipyard records suc- cessfully altered. [/quote] Later in The Fall of Reach we find out that the Circumference is on Gamma station, and it had an unsecured navigation database. John and Linda board the station and make there way to the repair bay to find 4 Marines, one of which is Sergeant Johnson. I think that Sergeant Johnson is "COALMINER." Anyone of the 4 marines could be "COALMINER" but I think that Johnson is the most probable choice. Sergeant Johnson was part of the Spartan-I program, and all of his files have been sealed by ONI. We also know from the HGN that Ackerson has been interested Johnson, and was trying to get into Johnson's files and he suspects that Johnson is a Spartan-I. I think that Ackerson was interested in Johnson because Johnson was one of the Instructors of the Spartan-IIIs and he was Ackerson(SURGEONS) eyes on Onyx. What does "Coalminers" operation on Gamma station and the Circumference have to do with the Spartan-III program? [/quote]

I always thought coalminer was the codename of Akherson or one of Akkherson's left hand men once he was the main imput of the King Under the Mountain file. It would make sense: He was the one who found Forerunner structure in the coal mines under the center on Reach.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BTE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hammer 220 True, true. But we don't know that yet, do we? I think that the next novel will AT LEAST shed some light on this theory and on Johnson as a whole. We will see what story it tells when it is released. ...as I said before x_o[/quote]Something tells me that they will give hints about it but wont confirm it, and no, Hasley isnt old enough for the Spartan I program. [/quote] I'm not sure about what will happen in Contact Harvest. I think that it will just hint that he is a SPARTAN, but part of me thinks that it will be confirmed. What I really want to know is if Johnson is COALMINER from the transmissions in The Fall of Reach and Ghosts of Onyx.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hammer 220 True, true. But we don't know that yet, do we? I think that the next novel will AT LEAST shed some light on this theory and on Johnson as a whole. We will see what story it tells when it is released. ...as I said before x_o[/quote]Something tells me that they will give hints about it but wont confirm it, and no, Hasley isnt old enough for the Spartan I program. [Edited on 08.30.2007 6:10 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] papa89 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BTE Johnson wasnt even close to Halo when it blew up. He was on the Pelican.[/quote] says where? didn't the clip of him hugging the elite come right before halo went from one piece to one billion pieces?[/quote] Read Halo: First Strike and you'll understand. The Legendary Cut-Scene was an easter egg, meaning it had no meaning to the games plot. ^^^^he beat me to it^^^^ [Edited on 08.30.2007 6:08 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] papa89 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BTE Johnson wasnt even close to Halo when it blew up. He was on the Pelican.[/quote] says where? didn't the clip of him hugging the elite come right before halo went from one piece to one billion pieces?[/quote] Bungie said the Legendary ending was an Easter egg, a "Bonus" for finishing the game on the hardest difficulty and in indeed not cannon to the overall story line. As for proof in the novel read the fifth chapter of First Strike (specifically pgs 45 and 46). And I doubt Halsey was involved with Orion due to her lack of clearance for access to Johnson's medical records. Which wouldn't really make sense since if she was involved she wouldn't need be fed the paris/BS spoof version. [Edited on 08.30.2007 6:06 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monitor 16807 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] papa89 papa89 = trumped by SS... but i hold my doubts... also call me out on this if im wrong but wasn't the good doctor also was the leader of the first spartan program? (i'll have to dig up some quotes on this...)[/quote] I don't think she is old enough to be the leader of the S-I project.[/quote] I don't think she is old enough either. The first SPARTAN program was started in 2491. I really don't think that she was old enough to be the leader of project ORION.

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Just another mindless post on my part, but I think you figured it out Nice Job.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] papa89 papa89 = trumped by SS... but i hold my doubts... also call me out on this if im wrong but wasn't the good doctor also was the leader of the first spartan program? (i'll have to dig up some quotes on this...)[/quote] I don't think she is old enough to be the leader of the S-I project.

papa89 = trumped by SS... but i hold my doubts... also call me out on this if im wrong but wasn't the good doctor also was the leader of the first spartan program? (i'll have to dig up some quotes on this...)