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9/25/2011 11:05:49 PM
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Halo Reach: Jet pack has to be removed
really? there is no argument to support it. it only has negative effects. it ruins map control. it allows players to escape in a cheap way. it allows players to get unfair ground and ruins pushing w/ a team.
fall damage? no. after training and getting used to it, a pro jet-packer will know how much gas to use.
Rockets + jetpack = unfair. really? it makes it more op. how can I adapt? no. I cannot. Its not a " it just happened" moment. its a unfair moment that truly shows how messed up the game is and how hard it carters toward noobs/casuals.
343i please just remove the jetpack. its not meant for Halo. If you disagree, tell me one example of how it sucks. if none, then there you go. its just plain stupid. 2nd worst to AL.
(anger causes me to make these threads. I know weapon grabbing and other factors fall into place. my anger blinds me of this. I play Halo Reach for fun and competition. But when I play competitively, the small bs things get in the way. Its just a game. but at times I can't stand the features and I Rage.)
[Edited on 09.25.2011 3:32 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darknova24 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Colingo All weapons, armour abilities and vehicles in the game are available from day 1. That means the onus is on the individual player to learn how to use each one to it's fullest potential I.E they are only as good as the person using them. I don't think removing something from the game just because some people can use it to a high standard is a good reason, almost anything will seem overpowered in the hands of a good player. As [i]SkyFighta65[/i] points out, i never see the jetpack being used all that well because i'm a low level player. Most of the jetpackers i see are floating targets, so feel free to take my opinion with a pinch of salt.[/quote] as for now bloom ruins the free flying kills but I understand your point. But that still doesn't change the fact that the guy can fly over a ledge or make a cheap get away to the ledge on Reflection/ columns.[/quote] I've always believed that map knowlege is of great importance in Halo. Knowing where the sightlines are, where are the choke points, the camping spots Etc. I find it hard to believe that a high level player wouldn't be aware of likley spots for a jetpack ambush and adjust his/her tactics accordingly.
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Hell no. I love my Jetpack with passion. It's the best AA so far.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darknova24 I guess the maps that really get to me are: Select, Enclosed, un/caged, reflection (sorta)[/quote] Not sure if I've played Select or Enclosed (if I have, I don't remember them at all). The Cage and Uncaged are the [i]worst[/i] because of how open they are. What was that one map... Atom, like The Cage that map was [i]ridiculous[/i] for the Jet Pack. No forethought into how badly abused the Jet Pack could be. No cover against higher ground, few to no tunnel like areas to remain safe. The only good thing is that Jet Packers are, or can be, very exposed to multiple angles of fire. Reflection... [i]guh.[/i]
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I disagree. Jet pack is not op, for it is only as good as the person using it. You have had since day 1 to learn the ins and outs of Jetpack, and how to counter it. Complaining will not help you counter it. Rockets with Jetpack is a flaw to [b]you.[/b] It is your fault for letting that enemy get to the power weapon. IF you had stopped him, then it would be yours, and the person would be angry, and do worse. Jetpack is made to escape. All AAs are. Jetpack is just a unique way to do it. If someone escapes, then you should know the map's cut-offs to figure out where he is retreating. If he escapes to higher ground, find a grav lift or follow him by jumping. JUst because he flew away doesn't mean he still can't be killed. Now go ahead, tell me I'm wrong. I would love to see you try.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkside Eric [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darknova24 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkside Eric [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darknova24[/quote] Whenever you use the word "cheap," the strength of your argument lessens.[/quote] thank you for the advice[/quote] Currently, the only reason your argument has [i]any[/i] weight to it is because the maps suck. Like... literally, why would you give Jet Packs to players on a map that has little cover against high ground opponents?[/quote] I guess the maps that really get to me are: Select, Enclosed, un/caged, reflection (sorta)
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I think your face should be removed!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darknova24 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkside Eric [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darknova24[/quote] Whenever you use the word "cheap," the strength of your argument lessens.[/quote] thank you for the advice[/quote] Currently, the only reason your argument has [i]any[/i] weight to it is because the maps suck. Like... literally, why would you give Jet Packs to players on a map that has little cover against high ground opponents?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkside Eric [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] oceano4 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkside Eric [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] oceano4 Jetpack makes maps like caged and uncaged even crapper. [/quote] Maybe if those maps have had some design to them that included Jet Pack in the gameplay, they wouldn't suck.[/quote] What I'm trying to say is, jetpack dominates those maps.[/quote] I know what you were trying to say and what I said still applies. The Jet Pack could have been far less dominant if there was more cover placed about the map. You get height advantage? Awesome... but how are you going to shoot me while I am under this awning?[/quote] Ah, I see now. Yep, I agree also.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkside Eric [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darknova24[/quote] Whenever you use the word "cheap," the strength of your argument lessens.[/quote] thank you for the advice
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darknova24[/quote] Whenever you use the word "cheap," the strength of your argument lessens.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darknova24 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jinjhi how does a jetpack help you run away, thats sprint your talking about and I think it balances the game due to sprinters,l a jetpacker can get a higher ground, seriously nothing is wrong with a jetpack, I like to use it actually to sky jack banshees when there spawn killing the crap out of my team...[/quote] again rockets + jetpack = noob friendly oh hi now die yipeeeee I get kill![/quote] lol I don't even use rockets with jet packs and anyways rocket launchers got like 4 shots, and its already a over powered weapon, I think using a rocket launcher with sprint is just as effective as using a rocket launcher with a jetpack because both have its pros and cons
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] oceano4 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkside Eric [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] oceano4 Jetpack makes maps like caged and uncaged even crapper. [/quote] Maybe if those maps have had some design to them that included Jet Pack in the gameplay, they wouldn't suck.[/quote] What I'm trying to say is, jetpack dominates those maps.[/quote] I know what you were trying to say and what I said still applies. The Jet Pack could have been far less dominant if there was more cover placed about the map. You get height advantage? Awesome... but how are you going to shoot me while I am under this awning?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darknova24 really? there is no argument to support it. it only has negative effects. it ruins map control. it allows players to escape in a cheap way. it allows players to get unfair ground and ruins pushing w/ a team. fall damage? no. after training and getting used to it, a pro jet-packer will know how much gas to use. Rockets + jetpack = unfair. really? it makes it more op. how can I adapt? no. I cannot. Its not a " it just happened" moment. its a unfair moment that truly shows how messed up the game is and how hard it carters toward noobs/casuals. 343i please just remove the jetpack. its not meant for Halo. If you disagree, tell me one example of how it sucks. if none, then there you go. its just plain stupid. 2nd worst to AL. [/quote] LOL you suck if you can't kill a jetpacker. When I play, if there is a jet-packer every one on my team, instantly shoot him. Ain't that hard, adapt.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darknova24 how can I adapt? no. I cannot. Its not a " it just happened" moment. its a unfair moment that truly shows how messed up the game is and how hard it carters toward noobs/casuals.[/quote] You just answered your own question. You can adapt. Its not a "it just happened" moment. Its unfair because you allowed them to gain rockets. You can adapt by not letting them get rockets.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jinjhi how does a jetpack help you run away, thats sprint your talking about and I think it balances the game due to sprinters,l a jetpacker can get a higher ground, seriously nothing is wrong with a jetpack, I like to use it actually to sky jack banshees when there spawn killing the crap out of my team...[/quote] again rockets + jetpack = noob friendly oh hi now die yipeeeee I get kill!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkside Eric [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] oceano4 Jetpack makes maps like caged and uncaged even crapper. [/quote] Maybe if those maps have had some design to them that included Jet Pack in the gameplay, they wouldn't suck.[/quote] What I'm trying to say is, jetpack dominates those maps.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Colingo All weapons, armour abilities and vehicles in the game are available from day 1. That means the onus is on the individual player to learn how to use each one to it's fullest potential I.E they are only as good as the person using them. I don't think removing something from the game just because some people can use it to a high standard is a good reason, almost anything will seem overpowered in the hands of a good player. As [i]SkyFighta65[/i] points out, i never see the jetpack being used all that well because i'm a low level player. Most of the jetpackers i see are floating targets, so feel free to take my opinion with a pinch of salt.[/quote] as for now bloom ruins the free flying kills but I understand your point. But that still doesn't change the fact that the guy can fly over a ledge or make a cheap get away to the ledge on Reflection/ columns.
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how does a jetpack help you run away, thats sprint your talking about and I think it balances the game due to sprinters,l a jetpacker can get a higher ground, seriously nothing is wrong with a jetpack, I like to use it actually to sky jack banshees when there spawn killing the crap out of my team...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] oceano4 Jetpack makes maps like caged and uncaged even crapper. [/quote] Maybe if those maps have had some design to them that included Jet Pack in the gameplay, they wouldn't suck.
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All weapons, armour abilities and vehicles in the game are available from day 1. That means the onus is on the individual player to learn how to use each one to it's fullest potential I.E they are only as good as the person using them. I don't think removing something from the game just because some people can use it to a high standard is a good reason, almost anything will seem overpowered in the hands of a good player. As [i]SkyFighta65[/i] points out, i never see the jetpack being used all that well because i'm a low level player. Most of the jetpackers i see are floating targets, so feel free to take my opinion with a pinch of salt. [Edited on 09.25.2011 3:17 PM PDT]
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Jetpack makes maps like caged and uncaged even crapper.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zdann Armor Abilities just should of been pick-ups with a limited use.[/quote] the only AA pick up should be drop shield and camo. nothing else.
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Armor Abilities just should of been pick-ups with a limited use.
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One easy, off the top of my head response as to why you're wrong: Maybe, instead of removing the Jet Pack, you should recognize that the maps seem like they weren't designed, [i]at all[/i], with Jet Pack in mid. Maybe maps should have taken this into consideration, hm?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] splazer zero If you are "Done" then leave, Noone will miss you. go play CoD.[/quote] I'm done with enduring the unbalanced gameplay. Change is needed. its sad to see such a late update arrive at this time. I'm a player that wants Reach to bloom and sprout into the game it can truly be. one that appeals to casuals and competitive.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] splazer zero If you are "Done" then leave, Noone will miss you. go play CoD.[/quote] Are you a child by chance?
