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9/4/2011 7:41:13 PM
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why weren't the halo rings designed to wipe out all flood biomass?
They were designed to stop the flood by denying them food and starving them
However, if they had been designed to specifically target any flood biomass (including floodspores and any flood biomass more sophisticated), couldn't they have wiped all flood from the entire galaxy, even including the pure-forms such as infection forms on forerunner instalations?
After all, why study them in containment if the only living beings that could study them at the time of the ring-firing were wiped from the galaxy by the rings anyway (the forerunners)?
Wouldn't it've been beter to comletely wipe flood biomass out, ensuring that no other sentient race after the firing could accidentally set them loose like the covies did on installation 04?
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well if they destroyed the flood would it have been a good game when following the same sort of story line. [Edited on 09.07.2011 3:03 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty Note that the flood were, for all purposes, wiped out by humanity. The flood that ultimately doomed the forerunner did not appear until a mere 300 years before the book takes place. How long was humanity at war with the flood before they developed a cure...thousands of years? So the forerunner no being prepared is understandable, since they probably didn't even know what a the flood looked like outside of questioning humans about it.[/quote] Ancient humanity did not take 1000s of years to develop a cure for the flood, the amount of time the war took place in is unspecified on halopedia (unless you can give me a quote from cryptum saying otherwise).
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] forriedude Only way to wipe out the flood, is to starve them to death. there are still flood out of our galaxy.[/quote] but my point was "why keep flood biomass in containment, in libraries on Halo installations, when any one of the sentient races populated around the galaxy could accidentally release them, rendering the activation of the halos useless as the flood are now at large once again?" At least my way keeps the flood entirely out of our galaxy which delays the flood overall.
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Only way to wipe out the flood, is to starve them to death. there are still flood out of our galaxy.
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Note that the flood were, for all purposes, wiped out by humanity. The flood that ultimately doomed the forerunner did not appear until a mere 300 years before the book takes place. How long was humanity at war with the flood before they developed a cure...thousands of years? So the forerunner no being prepared is understandable, since they probably didn't even know what a the flood looked like outside of questioning humans about it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jross1993 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xAwesome Saucex [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jross1993 What I'm curious about is how the Humans were able to stop the Flood, whereas the Forerunner couldn't 10,000 years later...[/quote] Probaly because if you remember Halo Legends, it said that the Forerunners were a peaceful society so they didn't have great military strategy or weapons whereas (also stated in Halo Legends) the Human race had been built up through war. This mean't that a large portion of Humanity was built around weapons of mass destruction. The Forerunners may have had the advanced technology, but they didn't have the massive firepower the UNSC did to pretty much nuke the Flood when it showed up on our doorstep.[/quote] No, you misunderstand. I'm talking about the ancient human's encounter with the Flood. They were able to drive them back out of the galaxy all while battling the Forerunners. Sure, they lost to the Forerunner, but they were able to hold back the Flood. By memory they used some kind of vaccine to hold back the Flood. (Also, the Forerunners weren't as peaceful as you think.)[/quote] Actually it was a human-altered virus that destroyed the flood rather than a vaccine. and yeah, the forerunner had fortresses which are like WMD's in themselves because they could take out halo rings as seen in cryptum. Even their war sphinxes could destroy continents.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xAwesome Saucex [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jross1993 What I'm curious about is how the Humans were able to stop the Flood, whereas the Forerunner couldn't 10,000 years later...[/quote] Probaly because if you remember Halo Legends, it said that the Forerunners were a peaceful society so they didn't have great military strategy or weapons whereas (also stated in Halo Legends) the Human race had been built up through war. This mean't that a large portion of Humanity was built around weapons of mass destruction. The Forerunners may have had the advanced technology, but they didn't have the massive firepower the UNSC did to pretty much nuke the Flood when it showed up on our doorstep.[/quote] No, you misunderstand. I'm talking about the ancient human's encounter with the Flood. They were able to drive them back out of the galaxy all while battling the Forerunners. Sure, they lost to the Forerunner, but they were able to hold back the Flood. By memory they used some kind of vaccine to hold back the Flood. (Also, the Forerunners weren't as peaceful as you think.)
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Because Flood biology is literally too adaptable. It had evolved beyond being able to be targeted on a cullular level.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anish panchalin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty The flood did not come from this galaxy, so the forerunner probably kept some around to study in the event that they did return.[/quote] thing is, the sentinels and forerunner AI/monitors had thousands of years with the flood to find a cure and they never did whereas ancient humanity took only decades? Doesn't this seem a little ridiculous, seeing as forerunners are supposed to be so much more advanced than humans, ancient or UNSC/modern?[/quote] I think the reason humanity was able to develop a cure was because they were willing to go to super extreme measures to find it. That's probably another reason the forerunners chose humanity as their successors: the willingness to do what is needed, regardless of the cost. Now...wiping out all life in the galaxy can also be considered "super extreme measures", but uh...we dont know the exact circumstances I guess. I don't think the forerunners are the type of people to ask...or force 1/3 of their population to go sacrifice themselves. Maybe we'll find out in the next 2 books.[/quote] Indeed, guess we'll just have to wait and see
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anish panchalin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty The flood did not come from this galaxy, so the forerunner probably kept some around to study in the event that they did return.[/quote] thing is, the sentinels and forerunner AI/monitors had thousands of years with the flood to find a cure and they never did whereas ancient humanity took only decades? Doesn't this seem a little ridiculous, seeing as forerunners are supposed to be so much more advanced than humans, ancient or UNSC/modern?[/quote] I think the reason humanity was able to develop a cure was because they were willing to go to super extreme measures to find it. That's probably another reason the forerunners chose humanity as their successors: the willingness to do what is needed, regardless of the cost. Now...wiping out all life in the galaxy can also be considered "super extreme measures", but uh...we dont know the exact circumstances I guess. I don't think the forerunners are the type of people to ask...or force 1/3 of their population to go sacrifice themselves. Maybe we'll find out in the next 2 books.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty The flood did not come from this galaxy, so the forerunner probably kept some around to study in the event that they did return.[/quote] thing is, the sentinels and forerunner AI/monitors had thousands of years with the flood to find a cure and they never did whereas ancient humanity took only decades? Doesn't this seem a little ridiculous, seeing as forerunners are supposed to be so much more advanced than humans, ancient or UNSC/modern? Hmm, your edited post has a good point, maybe humanity could've done it properly unlike the covenant on installation 04 [Edited on 09.07.2011 4:00 AM PDT]
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The flood did not come from this galaxy, so the forerunner probably kept some around for the next generation to study in the event that they did return. And were it not for the covenant, humanity would've eventually discovered their forerunner "heritage" and reclaimed everything at a much slower pace, and eventually discovered the flood that were locked away...WITHOUT setting them loose, letting them study them at their leisure and perhaps develop a cure...again - just in case they returned. Sure woulda been a hell of a lot smoother than at turned out. [Edited on 09.07.2011 3:58 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AH4L Maybe it couldn't be done? So the solution is to wipe out everything else, which will wipe out the Flood, and then let the universe start over again? I don't know. I suppose it keeps the doors open for continuous storylines and sequels... read: 343 industries now acting upon it.[/quote] If only there was a reason why they couldn't wipe out the simplest life forms such as algae and flood pure forms...what you said only makes sense from a story developer's standpoint, I'm talking about from a canonical perspective.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xAwesome Saucex [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jross1993 What I'm curious about is how the Humans were able to stop the Flood, whereas the Forerunner couldn't 10,000 years later...[/quote] Probaly because if you remember Halo Legends, it said that the Forerunners were a peaceful society so they didn't have great military strategy or weapons whereas (also stated in Halo Legends) the Human race had been built up through war. This mean't that a large portion of Humanity was built around weapons of mass destruction. The Forerunners may have had the advanced technology, but they didn't have the massive firepower the UNSC did to pretty much nuke the Flood when it showed up on our doorstep.[/quote] well actually it was the elites that glassed the flood-controlled covenant cruiser rather than the UNSC nuking it in voi in the level "floodgate" in H3. Keep in mind they the forerunners did have pretty massive firepower with their fortresses (one fortress had enough firepower to take out an entire Halo ring, as shown in cryptum). Its probably just that the flood hit all their population centres faster than the forerunner navy could counter it and also because the flood had good knowledge and tactics thanks to Mendicant Bias whereas when they fought the humans they were more wild and less sophisticated.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hovemond It's been a long time since I read Cryptum, but didn't the Precursor technology that the Halos were based on only target minds and therefore sentient beings? I don't think the Forerunners had anything else.[/quote] yeah, their flaw was that they never targeted even the really simple life forms such as algae, or flood biomass at its most basic, allowing some flood pure forms to survive and try to repopulate the galaxy with flood in the Halo trilogy
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xAwesome Saucex [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jross1993 What I'm curious about is how the Humans were able to stop the Flood, whereas the Forerunner couldn't 10,000 years later...[/quote] Probaly because if you remember Halo Legends, it said that the Forerunners were a peaceful society so they didn't have great military strategy or weapons whereas (also stated in Halo Legends) the Human race had been built up through war. This mean't that a large portion of Humanity was built around weapons of mass destruction. The Forerunners may have had the advanced technology, but they didn't have the massive firepower the UNSC did to pretty much nuke the Flood when it showed up on our doorstep.[/quote] What? The Forerunner wiped out Humanity. They had a big arsenal of weapons and ships. Have you read Cryptum? And by memory the Humans killed off the flood via a vaccine - not warfare.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jross1993 What I'm curious about is how the Humans were able to stop the Flood, whereas the Forerunner couldn't 10,000 years later...[/quote] Probaly because if you remember Halo Legends, it said that the Forerunners were a peaceful society so they didn't have great military strategy or weapons whereas (also stated in Halo Legends) the Human race had been built up through war. This mean't that a large portion of Humanity was built around weapons of mass destruction. The Forerunners may have had the advanced technology, but they didn't have the massive firepower the UNSC did to pretty much nuke the Flood when it showed up on our doorstep.
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It's been a long time since I read Cryptum, but didn't the Precursor technology that the Halos were based on only target minds and therefore sentient beings? I don't think the Forerunners had anything else.
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What I'm curious about is how the Humans were able to stop the Flood, whereas the Forerunner couldn't 10,000 years later...
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Maybe it couldn't be done? So the solution is to wipe out everything else, which will wipe out the Flood, and then let the universe start over again? I don't know. I suppose it keeps the doors open for continuous storylines and sequels... read: 343 industries now acting upon it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anish panchalin They were designed to stop the flood by denying them food and starving them However, if they had been designed to specifically target any flood biomass (including floodspores and any flood biomass more sophisticated), couldn't they have wiped all flood from the entire galaxy, even including the pure-forms such as infection forms on forerunner instalations? After all, why study them in containment if the only living beings that could study them at the time of the ring-firing were wiped from the galaxy by the rings anyway (the forerunners)? Wouldn't it've been beter to comletely wipe flood biomass out, ensuring that no other sentient race after the firing could accidentally set them loose like the covies did on installation 04?[/quote] No, the biggest loophole in the Halo universe, a rather stupid one at that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra Well, the Flood had a resistance to plasma based weaponry, so anything is possible. The Flood Super Cell is an adaptive bastard. And besides, they were looking for a cure, but they just didn't what to look for. Ancient Humanity did, but were de-evolved before it could be found.[/quote] Could you tell me where it says they gained resistance to plasma? (canon and gameplay tell me energy based-weapons are still quite effective against flood). You have a good point about the flood super cell though. The forerunner AI honestly weren't clever/creative enough if they couldn't find a cure after all those years. [Edited on 09.04.2011 12:07 PM PDT]
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Well, the Flood had a resistance to plasma based weaponry, so anything is possible. The Flood Super Cell is an adaptive bastard. And besides, they were looking for a cure, but they just didn't what to look for. Ancient Humanity did, but were de-evolved before it could be found.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra Because if you keep some specimens and develop a cure, you won't have to worry about the Flood being a threat. Wiping them away after each new invasion would prove to be a tireless way to deal with the problem. Who knows, the Flood could develop an immunity to the Halo rings after enough blasts. Then what?[/quote] hmm, the flood were in containment for thouands/milions of years after the firing before being released by the covies on instalation 04 and in all that time monitor and forerunner AI never found a cure for it. That tells me that they were keeping it in containment for another reason besides a cure. Also, how exactly would the flood develop immunity to all the radiation given off by the rings?
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Because if you keep some specimens and develop a cure, you won't have to worry about the Flood being a threat. Wiping them away after each new invasion would prove to be a tireless way to deal with the problem. Who knows, the Flood could develop an immunity to the Halo rings after enough blasts. Then what?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DecepticonCobra Even if you wiped out the Flood here, they would still come back. The Flood threat still isn't over, not while the Timeless One lives.[/quote] true, but why keep flood biomass in containment? There's just no point in it since the forerunners (in the milky way at least) were wiped out. think about it, just because the halos never wiped out the flood on installations, gravemind almost turned earth into a flood-colony and he infected high charity which led to him eventually controlling the ark too (till John detonated high charity). Its just too risky to leave them in containment, where they can be rleased by intelligent races by accident and anyway, it would a least delay the flood and/or the timeless one's plan by eradicating the flood from the galaxy completely [Edited on 09.04.2011 11:50 AM PDT]
