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Isn't spawn killing boring though?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Ruckus 2010 I fail to see why the OP was reported. He must have hit a nerve.[/quote] People who "play for fun." Spawn killing struck a nerve with them...

I fail to see why the OP was reported. He must have hit a nerve.

I support this thread. But you forgot Pilots and Drivers. Is it their fault they are good at using a vehicle they find on the map? Is Zach Parise chastised for moving to fast on ice? Does scott stevens hit too hard? Does ovie shoot the puck too much, and it tires you down?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spawn031 [url=http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html]This article sums this entire debate up pretty nicely.[/url] Please. Sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy this article. Its a good one :)[/quote] *sigh* -.- That guy is little more than a pretentious hypocrite. His argument over whether a person is a scrub or not is filled to the brim with hypocrisy, especially with that Street Fighter example. He liberally shoots himself in the foot with that example. By condoning the banning of that character he is, by his own definition a scrub, as is every other gamer or major competition that does so. Having your own personal code of conduct, a set of rules set up by the common consensus of all the players taking part, or the rules laid down by the host of the event or what have you, does not make one a scrub or affect one's desire to win the game. What makes one a scrub is one player in no position of authority or anything of the sort trying to force everyone to play by his rules or standards and not acknowledging any other method of playing at all and believing that everything in his playstyle is the right and only way to play. And frequently (on internet forums at least) I see this attitude not from the average forum goer, but from the so-called "elite" or "pro" players more than anyone else. And while the goal of the game is to win, that is not the purpose of games. One should do their best to win, but putting winning at the top of everything else is not good for community gameplay. The reason games were invented was not to prove who was better, but for entertainment, enjoyment, and fun. Granted those terms are rather subjective, but when your fun comes at the expense of abusing the players on the other team (or your own team) and exploiting bugs or just taking advantage of a system in the game and thus depriving other people of their enjoyment of it is where the line is crossed. That is the main error in what Sirlin is saying in his article, having rules does not mean that one is a scrub and some sort of lesser player, rules are necessary to preserve the enjoyment of [i][b]everyone[/b][/i] involved in the game. Now the rules will vary from place to place and group to group, but that is the very reason for their implementation. If one set of gamers who play together think that exploiting the bugs lead to more enjoyment within the game, that's fine for them, however if they play a casual/recreational match against another group or team of players that [i]doesn't[/i] approve of using bugs and exploits, then Team A should not use them in that match. However if it's a pro game such as in MLG or some such, and there is no official rule against bugs and exploits then it's Team B's own fault if they refuse to use bugs or exploits and then lose the match. Which reminds me of another point, just because something is in the game does not mean that it should be used, such as Sirlin's Street Fighter example, the character in question is extremely powerful and shouldn't be used if the two players competing want to have a fair match. Generally the majority of the players will decide what are fair tactics and what aren't, and in the case of spawn camping the majority of Halo's community don't approve of the tactic so it should not be used in general matchmaking unless both teams in the match reach some sort consensus on the matter. I will not say whether the tactic itself is legitimate or not, but it should not be used in setting where the majority of the players do not approve of spawn camping. However it is a rather immature tactic and not something an honorable player or someone who values good sportsmanship will use.

lul.

I loved this. [i]**Save Thread[/i] [Edited on 07.21.2011 4:08 AM PDT]

Too short. Didn't read.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aeterna Mortis The OP is a little rude but he is correct nonetheless.[/quote] Theres worse threads out there that don't get hidden. I have no idea why his post got hidden. Was his first rude post that ive seen. Hes always pretty nice lol

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Viper Skills Community, take a seat. Help yourself to some coffee on the desk right there. Now, if you see nothing wrong with spawn killing or the use of power weapons, feel free to get up and leave. This meeting is for those who somehow find it "wrong". I have noticed your guys' recent work performance on these here forums. You're getting sloppy. You fail to convince me I am a terrible person for spawn killing and that things need to change. Long story short, if I have dominated you and your team to the point where you are at your base scrambling for safety upon every spawn, are you seriously implying that I am somehow the bad player? What would that make you if you're running and cowering away from any and all fights? Is it poor sportsmanship to slaughter you over and over? Nope. Would it be poor sportsmanship of one NFL team to intercept the ball thus denying the opposing team their chance to score? No. This leads me to believe that any and all who find spawn killing "mean", are simply too sensitive. What do you want my team and I to do? Would you like us to go back to our base, drop the power weapons, exit our vehicles and start over? Don't be stupid. We're not going to do that and if we did you'd call US stupid. Why should we hand you an advantage on a silver platter? You had your chances and failed. In essence, my disgruntled employee, I will not stop pushing to your side of the map and slaughtering you if I am given the chance through your constant failures. You are not dismissed, sit down. We're going to talk about those big guns we call "power weapons". I see some of you posting on these forums calling others "whores" for using a weapon they rightfully earned. As such, cut the crap. I'm not going to put down the rockets, sniper rifle, pro pipe, sword, shotgun, and whatever else there is simply because it hurts your feelers. If by the end of the game I have accumulated 18 kills with the rockets and you feel the need to call me out for it, just think about how stupid that sounds. You're basically telling me to walk over the rockets and leave them there for YOU so YOU can "whore" them. This meeting was brief, but you are dismissed. Get back to work and please, for the love of all that is good and pure in this world, cut the crap. Love, Diaper Spills[/quote]I like this and I really do agree with you Viper. The ones that think spawn killing is "unfair" are very sensitive. The more they rage quit over that game, the more it hurts them. The best thing to do is pay the price of that game and get a long with it. On every single kind of game. Your objective is to survive and kill the enemy. If you are spawn trapped, then you and your team suck. It's a simple answer you know, your objective is to not get in an awful situation when you are in a game. If you fail to succeed, then you fail. Theres no excuse about it being unfair. Adapt at the fact that you lost and there was nothing you could do. There's no rule saying that you are not allowed to spawn trap enemies. Power Weapons. Players that first grab the power weapons of that game rightfully own the weapon. There's no rule saying that whoever grabs the specific weapon shoudln't be allowed it because you want it. It's your fault for not getting to that weapon in the first place. It's annoying at the fact that we keep hearing all of the crying on the forums about this. So cut it out and adapt. It's quite funny at the fact that your opst was reported a lot lul. Because that just shows that it's hurt people.

Power weapon possession is down to who gets to them first, who knows when they're respawning and (in co-ordinated teams) who uses them properly. I don't mind who picks them up, I just get irritated when a kid starts dropping my shields if I take something that he claims is his. Same for vehicles. Spawn killing I'm not sure about. Whilst I 100% agree if your team is co-ordinated and pushes the other back to their spawn, I hate being spawn trapped if the people on my team leave. I've yet to ragequit a game from spawn traps, and I dont think I ever will. It just sucks when you start to see " Quit" and then notice one or two of you are left. I'm not amazing at Halo, but I dont think I'm bad either. Just a bit above average probably - and I'm not in a clan / with a large group of friends. When its objective thats what I'll go for, if its slayer the other team is who I'll kill. If they're being forced back, then that is their issue to sort. They'd certainly be grinning and (in most cases) squealing down their microphones if they were on the winning team. GT: Vargichao if anyone wants to do some games. :)

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Viper Skills Uh... this thread was locked? A ninja was feeling generous? Magical.[/quote] Awesome.

Uh... this thread was locked? A ninja was feeling generous? Magical.

Whoever reported OP is a sore loser and obviosly gets spawn killed.

6/10

A 50 that loves power weapons? Get outa here!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Viper Skills Love, Diaper Spills[/quote] baaahahaha i love you too

I love the OP. I couldn't put this any better myself. You -blam!- idiots need to stop crying if we -blam!- on you. If your getting spawn -blam!- and don't like it, then quit. We're not forcing you to stay.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Peter15 The only reason you get more kills in objective is because it doesn't have a kill limit like slayer. If you want the performance bonus on non-slayer gametypes, you actually have to score the objective to come in first place lol. It's fine to kill on non-slayer gametypes, but going for the objective should be primary, while killing is secondary. I always thought that people killed as it was a part of the game or for stat boosting. I have never heard of anyone saying that they kill for the measly commendation credit bonus. I still don't understand why you can't vote for the slayer gametype though. Usually spawn killing is done by full parties. If you're playing with a party, you have half the voting power.[/quote] It's inefficient and ineffective for everyone to work the objective. Slaying is an important part of objective games. You have to have some main slayers protecting and covering the people working the objective. People vote for objective over pure slayer games for a variety of reasons. 1. The objective adds an additional element making the game more interesting and usually more competitive. 2. People that are main slayers don't have to take losses because they have weaker slayers in their party going negative. 3. It's very common for people to quit out in big team (for various reasons and frequently right at the start of the game). Many times 50-80% of a party. Once one drops, then the others will start quitting because they don't want to play a person down and then it snowballs. When that happens, the opposing team wants to have a way to end the game quickly by capping the objective, rather than spending 10 minutes bored out of their minds, betraying each other, sending out Morse code signals on the blueberries or trying to hunt down 1 or 2 people that are hiding until time runs out. 4. Believe it or not, parties of randoms are more likely to quit out of slayer than objective games. Even if they're going negative, the objective still gives them a reason to keep hope alive and an opportunity to win the game. If they're down 50-2 in a slayer game, they usually have little incentive to stay. Because of that, I'll always vote for objective over slayer unless I can't stand the maps of the objective option (even though my .82 k/d is clear evidence that I vote objective for stat padding reasons. =P) [Edited on 07.15.2011 9:49 AM PDT]

I agree to be fair. Yes, I absolutely hate it when the other team uses the power weapons to pummel mine into the ground. I accept it as part of the game, and I would do exactly the same back, and have done so many many times. So no, I see nothing wrong with it, thus rendering my opinion here moot. A word of advice to those who hate getting spawn trapped and beaten like this; don't search in objective playlists, chances are, that's where it'll happen most.

This kid works out too much. Someone, please stop him from murdering all the Halo: Reach n00blets! OP is 100% infallibly correct. Yes infallibly is a word.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] burritosenior It's perfectly fair and the players getting spawn killed absolutely deserve it for losing map control. I agree. ...It's still a douche move on the parts of the spawn killers though. Nothing changes that.[/quote]How so? Playing the game correctly is mean?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] McCrash [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zomechin Wait.. So what are you implying they should do when they find randoms? Are you implying they shouldn't search as a team? Why do you say that their "lack of individual skill is obvious"? Where is this shown? Someone is [i]mad[/i]. Also, what's up with the alternating caps, lol?[/quote] Lol Im implying Bungie messed up with the search system. 100% he can't do it to another FULL team. Lack of Individual skill is pretty Obvious. Every team who spawnkills, do so against Randoms. NEVER against a full team.[/quote]What are you even trying to say? Obviously you don't see spawn killing very much on full teams because they're not complete terrible and ill-organized for the most part. Lack of individual skill? Lol, why do you keep saying that? Baseless, retarded claims are baseless and retarded. [Edited on 07.15.2011 1:20 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sikefcrx So I take it none of you have run up the hill toward your objective at the beginning of a match. Then get double teamed by your opponents,and by the time you re-spawn at the only point you can re-spawn and 1 guy is already at the only place you can spawn pummeling you in the back as soon as you hit the dirt. That is absolutely absurd and ridiculous. Its Not a tactic,and it sure as -blam!- isn't map control. That's 1 super -blam!-. Its only happened 1 time to me and I reported the absolute -blam!- out of him to microsoft. I have to work for a living and earn my money to buy something I enjoy playing. I am not in the 10-20yr old category who thinks they are awesome at "insert game title here",and ruin it for me and so many others,because it's something I had to work for. My Mom and Dad don't buy me -blam!-. Half of the people on this web board and in this thread are not even old enough to buy the game for themselves.The -blam!- has ratings for a reason. They need to start being enforced..[/quote] i think halo should be for everyone, -blam!- the ratings and -blam!- the police.

So I take it none of you have run up the hill toward your objective at the beginning of a match. Then get double teamed by your opponents,and by the time you re-spawn at the only point you can re-spawn and 1 guy is already at the only place you can spawn pummeling you in the back as soon as you hit the dirt. That is absolutely absurd and ridiculous. Its Not a tactic,and it sure as -blam!- isn't map control. That's 1 super -blam!-. Its only happened 1 time to me and I reported the absolute -blam!- out of him to microsoft. I have to work for a living and earn my money to buy something I enjoy playing. I am not in the 10-20yr old category who thinks they are awesome at "insert game title here",and ruin it for me and so many others,because it's something I had to work for. My Mom and Dad don't buy me -blam!-. Half of the people on this web board and in this thread are not even old enough to buy the game for themselves.The -blam!- has ratings for a reason. They need to start being enforced..