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50,000 people sued for The Hurt Locker torrent downloads.

[i] 50,000 thousand people used to Pirate Movies here, now it's a ghost town[/i] [url=http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/10/technology/bittorrent_lawsuits/index.htm]linky[/url] to article. Entire article copy and pasted: [quote]NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The turn of the 21st century was rife with bitter anti-piracy lawsuits pitting studios against their potential customers, with music labels banding together to blast Napster -- and its massive user base -- to smithereens. Get ready for round two. This time, it's BitTorrent users facing off against the movie studios. Nearly 50,000 users of BitTorrent's peer-to-peer downloading software have been targeted in a sting over the past few months, accused of illegally downloading one of two movies. Voltage Pictures, the studio behind 2009's The Hurt Locker, is suing almost 25,000 BitTorrent users who allegedly illegally downloaded the flick. That came just weeks after 23,000 were sued for downloading The Expendables, produced by Nu Image. Both of the lawsuits were filed in federal court in Washington, D.C., by the U.S. Copyright Group, an outfit formed by Washington-based law firm Dunlap, Grubb & Weaver. The group filed its Expendables lawsuit in February, then followed with its Hurt Locker lawsuit in April. "They're copyright trolls," says Corynne McSherry, intellectual property director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital rights organization. "They take a dragnet approach to litigation." The USCG did not respond to multiple calls asking for comment. A spokesman for Voltage Pictures, the Hurt Locker studio, defended the sweeping lawsuits. "The lawyers are just doing their jobs," he said. "Somebody stole our property and we are trying to get it back." The representative declined further comment. The new anti-piracy clampdown: Legal skirmishes over digital piracy happen constantly, and BitTorrent is often in the crosshairs. The free software program lets users swap and download large media files. It's got plenty of legitimate uses -- online education pioneer Khan Academy recently made its free video catalog available through BitTorrent -- but is also heavily used to illegally trade movies, TV shows and other copyright-protected content. BitTorrent CEO Eric Klinker said that his company merely provides the software, and it can't control what its customers do. Suing John and Jane Doe: What's striking about this batch of lawsuits is that USGC went after tens of thousands of "John Does," issuing subpoenas to Internet service providers including Time Warner Cable, Comcast (CMCSA, Fortune 500), Verizon (VZ, Fortune 500) and Earthlink for the identities of those users. ISPs are complying and handing over the details, according to those tracking the case. "Time Warner Cable has fought the subpoenas, but most ISPs are coughing up about 100 to 150 IP identifications per month," said Eric Menhart, a CyberLaw attorney who is representing about 50 defendants in the Hurt Locker case. A Time Warner Cable (TWC, Fortune 500) spokesman confirmed that his company traditionally fights these kinds of legal requests. Representatives of Comcast, the nation's largest ISP, did not respond to a request for comment. The EFF's McSherry is troubled by the move to prosecute thousands of individuals as one linked class. USCG "isn't letting people who have legitimate defenses raise them," she said. Holding individuals accountable for illegal acts committed through IP addresses they're linked to is tricky. For example, should a parent be responsible for a child downloading a movie through the family's IP address? What about a landlord who supplies Internet to a tenant? Years after those issues first arose, courts are still grappling with them on a case-by-case basis, legal experts say. For those hit by the lawsuits, the costs of defending themselves can be daunting. Dozens of the "John Does" in the Locker case have complained to the court about the distance they'd be required to travel to appear in Washington. Others say multiple computers were linked to their IP address. So far, the court has thrown out the Does' moves to quash subpoenas sent to their ISPs seeking their personally identifiable information. Threatened into settling? USCG launched in early 2010 and has filed a stack of digital piracy cases, typically going after a few thousand defendants at a time. Many choose to settle out of court. McSherry and other critics have attacked the USCG for what they say is a "pay up or we'll getcha" method -- that is, pay a relatively small fee to settle or face tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and potential penalties. BitTorrent user Dmitriy Shirokov filed a lawsuit last year making the case that the firm has made a business out of threatening people. The suit alleged that USCG exploited copyright law -- and that its goal was to frighten people into paying up a small settlement of $1,500 to $2,500 rather than face litigation. The case is currently pending in U.S. District Court in Washington. Booth Sweet attorney Dan Booth, who filed that suit, said that USCG hasn't responded to the claims, and has moved to have the case dismissed. It also asked the court to sanction Booth Sweet, a Massachusetts-based law firm, for taking the case. Menhart said he's seen "an uptick in this style of litigation" over the past two years. The small sums at stake can add up fast. As TorrentFreak, one of the first blogs to report on the Locker case, points out: If only 10,000 of the alleged infringers pay a $2,000 settlement, it would net $20 million for Voltage and USCG. In comparison, The Hurt Locker grossed $17 million at the U.S. box office. Menhart hopes mass dragnets like this one will draw attention to a legal issue that's faded into the shadows in the years since Napster collapsed. Nearly everyone agrees illegal downloading is wrong. But how draconian should the punishment be? "I think there will be a call from people asking, do we really want Grandma to pay $2,000 to settle over a movie her grandson downloaded?" Menhart said. "There's just something about it that doesn't feel right."[/quote] -blam!- that, I'm retiring. Oh, and tl:dr version: People pirated the hurt locker, 50000 got sued. [Edited on 06.13.2011 11:11 AM PDT]
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  • lol why are people defending these rich asshats they are gonna make a bunch of money anyway. greed just greed...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Giygas Master [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Leumas786 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WolfmanMaverick [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to walk into your place of employment in 5 or 10 years and just take everything off the shelves and walk out without paying. Same thing as piracy. There, hope I didn't ruin the perfect dismount from your high horse that you think allows you to pirate movies.[/quote] That is just about the worst logic ever. The more accurate analogy would be, I'm going to come to your place of business with a machine that can duplicate any item. I will use it, you get to keep what you bought and I have it too now. There is no loss of inventory with piracy, the company still has the product and it cost them nothing when this person "stole" it. Piracy isn't stealing, its piracy [/quote] It's [b]illegal[/b]. You're breaking the law. I can't really see how any of you have an argument for piracy being just. It's good that people are getting caught for this.[/quote] I never said it was right, its just not the same thing as stealing. -blam!- =/= murder but they are both wrong [Edited on 06.13.2011 1:02 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Leumas786 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WolfmanMaverick [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to walk into your place of employment in 5 or 10 years and just take everything off the shelves and walk out without paying. Same thing as piracy. There, hope I didn't ruin the perfect dismount from your high horse that you think allows you to pirate movies.[/quote] That is just about the worst logic ever. The more accurate analogy would be, I'm going to come to your place of business with a machine that can duplicate any item. I will use it, you get to keep what you bought and I have it too now. There is no loss of inventory with piracy, the company still has the product and it cost them nothing when this person "stole" it. Piracy isn't stealing, its piracy [/quote] It's [b]illegal[/b]. You're breaking the law. I can't really see how any of you have an argument for piracy being just. It's good that people are getting caught for this.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaGingaNinja You guys should really read Notch's 1 guy pirates, 3 guys buy rant, he makes a lot of sense.[/quote] Yeah, it makes sense for video games. I'm not sure how you could apply that concept to movies and music, though. [Edited on 06.13.2011 1:01 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] catman6 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BEATo [url=http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd20/imNYCe89/comeatmebro.jpg]COME AT ME BRO[/url] also theyre going after the uploaders, I stop my torrents when they finish.[/quote] [url=http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9400/utorrents.png]wat[/url] note: never have I gotten a letter or a phone call[/quote]it depends on your isp, some just dont care.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WolfmanMaverick [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to walk into your place of employment in 5 or 10 years and just take everything off the shelves and walk out without paying. Same thing as piracy. There, hope I didn't ruin the perfect dismount from your high horse that you think allows you to pirate movies.[/quote] That is just about the worst logic ever. The more accurate analogy would be, I'm going to come to your place of business with a machine that can duplicate any item. I will use it, you get to keep what you bought and I have it too now. There is no loss of inventory with piracy, the company still has the product and it cost them nothing when this person "stole" it. Piracy isn't stealing, its piracy [Edited on 06.13.2011 12:56 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Roflwaffler It's illegal to upload torrents in Canada but it is not illegal to download them. Flawed but I won't complain.[/quote] really i thought it was illegal to download them here?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 [i] 50,000 thousand people used to Pirate Movies here, now it's a ghost town[/i] [/quote] Quoted for epicness.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 Not really, I can go on youtube and upload twisted transister and it just gets taken off. I don't get arrested. Besides, that was a civil case in the OP, not a legal one.[/quote] Sill illegal,still stealing, still against the law. Your point?

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  • "They stole our property, we're trying to get it back." Do those idiots have a single -blam!- clue about how BitTorrent works?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 Only if you get caught.[/quote] Which is like saying that murder is only illegal if you get caught. It remains illegal regardless.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 Only if you get caught.[/quote] Spoiler alert: If you kill someone, it's still illegal, you're only punished if you're caught. Same applies to stealing, and piracy, and any extra legal activity in general.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XITHAKILLAHIX That's what you get for not using Peerblock + EasyIPHider. Nooby Downloaders...[/quote] Or just go to your school, use their internet connection and their computers, then put it on a flash drive then move it to your computer.

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  • uote[b]Posted by:[/b] Da Real Caboose [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 [quo][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] petitminou don't use the "it's illegal argument"; that's totaly weak sauce. At least argue why it's illegal[/quote] You're stealing someone else's property. That's why it's illegal. [/quote] So is listening to songs on youtube, what's your point.[/quote] That it's illegal... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] catman6 [quotb]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote[b]Posted by:[/b] petitminou don't use the "it's illegal argument"; that's totaly weak sauce. At least argue why it's illegal[/quote] You're stealing someone else's property. That's why it's illegal. [/quote] not stealing, copying[/quote] You are copying an entity that is someone's intellectual property without paying them for it. Hence, stealing. [/quote] Someone copied off my geometry test at school. Is that stealing?[/quote] It's plagiarism, aka stealing, thus academically illegal. [/quote] Only if you get caught.

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  • It's not like they haven't got plenty of money anyways...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XITHAKILLAHIX That's what you get for not using Peerblock + EasyIPHider. Nooby Downloaders...[/quote] >Implying either one of those would actually stand up to someone who knows what they're doing >Lol

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  • "They're copyright trolls." Lolz were just had.

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  • That's what you get for not using Peerblock + EasyIPHider. Nooby Downloaders...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] petitminou don't use the "it's illegal argument"; that's totaly weak sauce. At least argue why it's illegal[/quote] You're stealing someone else's property. That's why it's illegal. [/quote] So is listening to songs on youtube, what's your point.[/quote] That it's illegal... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] catman6 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] petitminou don't use the "it's illegal argument"; that's totaly weak sauce. At least argue why it's illegal[/quote] You're stealing someone else's property. That's why it's illegal. [/quote] not stealing, copying[/quote] You are copying an entity that is someone's intellectual property without paying them for it. Hence, stealing. [/quote] Someone copied off my geometry test at school. Is that stealing?[/quote] It's plagiarism, aka stealing, thus academically illegal.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 Someone copied off my geometry test at school. Is that stealing?[/quote] Unrelated. Your answers are not your intellectual property. You're not selling them to your other classmates. Apples and oranges.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Giygas Master [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] petitminou don't use the "it's illegal argument"; that's totaly weak sauce. At least argue why it's illegal[/quote] You're stealing someone else's property. That's why it's illegal. [/quote] So is listening to songs on youtube, what's your point.[/quote] Not really. Those music companies make money off of ads. Also, videos do get taken down because of the uploader using music he or she's not allowed to use. [/quote] Not really, I can go on youtube and upload twisted transister and it just gets taken off. I don't get arrested. Besides, that was a civil case in the OP, not a legal one.

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  • You guys should really read Notch's 1 guy pirates, 3 guys buy rant, he makes a lot of sense.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] petitminou don't use the "it's illegal argument"; that's totaly weak sauce. At least argue why it's illegal[/quote] You're stealing someone else's property. That's why it's illegal. [/quote] So is listening to songs on youtube, what's your point.[/quote] Not really. Those music companies make money off of ads. Also, videos do get taken down because of the uploader using music he or she's not allowed to use.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recovery_6 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] petitminou don't use the "it's illegal argument"; that's totaly weak sauce. At least argue why it's illegal[/quote] You're stealing someone else's property. That's why it's illegal. [/quote] So is listening to songs on youtube, what's your point.[/quote] That it's illegal... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] catman6 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The 13th Arbiter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] petitminou don't use the "it's illegal argument"; that's totaly weak sauce. At least argue why it's illegal[/quote] You're stealing someone else's property. That's why it's illegal. [/quote] not stealing, copying[/quote] You are copying an entity that is someone's intellectual property without paying them for it. Hence, stealing. [/quote] Someone copied off my geometry test at school. Is that stealing?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LoftierRelic [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey How is that a weak argument? Copyright laws make media such as movies, music, and games intellectual property that you have no right to have unless you've paid for them. How the hell is this a hard concept?[/quote]It is a weak argument because whilst it is illegal, there is no enforcement - that makes it practically legal. When Hurricane Katrina happened in New Orleans in 05, there was a lot of looting, right? That was because there was no enforcement - services were too stretched. And thus, people looted - otherwise law-abiding citizens - they looted because they knew they could get away with it. The same thing's happening across the Internet all the time. It doesn't make it right, it never did, but that's why people do it. In the UK, we have anti-piracy ads that say "you wouldn't steal a handbag... you would steal a car... so why steal a movie" - but everyone says "but I'd download a car if I could!" Why? [b]BECAUSE THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT IF IT WAS POSSIBLE WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND[/b] And no one's countered me on my point saying that IsoHunt, BitTorrent, BT Junkie and the like are all registered companies, and thus they must abide by the law. If torrenting is SOOOO bad, then why are they not constantly punished/shut down? [/quote] None of those sites actually share the content, they just allow the users to do so under the guise that it's intended for non-copyrighted material.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Leopold789 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Assuming Control You know I was going to see The Hurt Locker, but now I won't based on principle. Seriously, they're just being greedy bitc­hes.[/quote]pirate it, you are not seeing the movie anyway. you are not actually stealing anything as there is no physical thing that you took that they had to pay for, and since you were not going to see it in the first place the company neither gains nor looses money from you.[/quote] Guess what? The company will lose money if no one purchases something. Millions of dollars go into making movies, to say that they aren't losing anything is ludicrous.

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