[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] greatestSheriff Is everyone in here a Mass Effect fan?[/quote] Not everyone, I just wanted to gauge peoples' opinion on this.

Is everyone in here a Mass Effect fan?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Scottus4 The number of Reapers visible =/= All Reapers. Anyways, Reaper technology is so far advanced it isn't even funny. Notice how there is actual debate between ME and Halo ships, and Reapers completely outclass every single ship vessel in the ME universe by leaps and bounds to the point where an entire fleet attacking one doesn't even phase it - it continues doing what it is doing while using a few weapons to decimate the entire force. Sure, Sovereign may have been one of the more powerful Reapers, but the point still remains that if even 5 other Sovereign level ships existed, it is pretty much game over for Halo. Reaper tech is insane. I mean, hell, they did a ghetto reverse engineer of it and came up with the Thanix cannon, allowing the tiny Normandy to defeat a Collector ship. I doubt the Thanix cannon is near the full power of a Reaper weapon... and Sovereign fires shots off like it is nothing. This discussion isn't even interesting with Reapers in the picture. [/quote] Halo's weapons are shot per shot far more powerful then 95% of Mass Effect's weapons (obvious exception being Reaper cannons, maybe). Especially the Covenant's Energy Projector, which, in space, is a needle thin laser flash, something no ME ship's shields can deflect. I have seen literally no evidence suggesting the Reapers are any more powerful then the Covenant. All it would take is a firing line composed of a fleet of CCS class Cruisers (or even one Battlecruiser, which, if memory serves, has 12 energy projectors) to demolish a Reaper fleet from afar. Really the only race in ME powerful enough to withstand the Covenant is the Reapers. And even then I can't see them winning without a incredible struggle. Now you can say that Mass Effect is more advanced and whatnot, that Mass Effect fields are far and above stronger then anything Halo has, but what can their weapons [i] practically [/i] do? 32 kilotons is considered alarmingly powerful in Mass Effect. Covenant and UNSC toss kilo/mega/and gigatons around like nothing (gigatons fired from the larger Covenant ships). They can snipe ships at least 100,000 kilometers away at lightspeed. The only thing I've ever seen a Reaper fire is a glorified MAC cannon. If a 32 kiloton round could pulverize any ship in the alliance fleet, I think a 64 kiloton Frigate MAC from the UNSC could too.

You bring Reapers into this, I bring Forerunners in. ...actually, no. I have no will to see one ship kill 300 cuttlefish without a scratch. Let's keep it to UNSC and Covenant on Halo's side. UNSC gets pasted, Covenant runs roughshod until the Reapers show up.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Y3Y00 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caaaarrrl [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Y3Y00 M-920 Cain > Everything.[/quote] Pretty much, even if it can only fire once.[/quote] Maybe, I forgot. Haven't played Mass Effect in a while, although I remember using it several times while fighting that gigantic human reaper dude. [/quote] You must have found an ammo stash, lucky bastard.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caaaarrrl [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Y3Y00 M-920 Cain > Everything.[/quote] Pretty much, even if it can only fire once.[/quote] Maybe, I forgot. Haven't played Mass Effect in a while, although I remember using it several times while fighting that gigantic human reaper dude.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Y3Y00 M-920 Cain > Everything.[/quote] Pretty much, even if it can only fire once.

M-920 Cain > Everything.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kesha Sovereign's shields were taken down because Saren got destroyed.[/quote] Yeah, Saren's destruction=shield overload. Too much to handle.

Sovereign's shields were taken down because Saren got destroyed.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Scottus4 The number of Reapers visible =/= All Reapers. Anyways, Reaper technology is so far advanced it isn't even funny. Notice how there is actual debate between ME and Halo ships, and Reapers completely outclass every single ship vessel in the ME universe by leaps and bounds to the point where an entire fleet attacking one doesn't even phase it - it continues doing what it is doing while using a few weapons to decimate the entire force. Sure, Sovereign may have been one of the more powerful Reapers, but the point still remains that if even 5 other Sovereign level ships existed, it is pretty much game over for Halo. Reaper tech is insane. I mean, hell, they did a ghetto reverse engineer of it and came up with the Thanix cannon, allowing the tiny Normandy to defeat a Collector ship. I doubt the Thanix cannon is near the full power of a Reaper weapon... and Sovereign fires shots off like it is nothing. This discussion isn't even interesting with Reapers in the picture. [/quote] Yes, we shall include them.

The number of Reapers visible =/= All Reapers. Anyways, Reaper technology is so far advanced it isn't even funny. Notice how there is actual debate between ME and Halo ships, and Reapers completely outclass every single ship vessel in the ME universe by leaps and bounds to the point where an entire fleet attacking one doesn't even phase it - it continues doing what it is doing while using a few weapons to decimate the entire force. Sure, Sovereign may have been one of the more powerful Reapers, but the point still remains that if even 5 other Sovereign level ships existed, it is pretty much game over for Halo. Reaper tech is insane. I mean, hell, they did a ghetto reverse engineer of it and came up with the Thanix cannon, allowing the tiny Normandy to defeat a Collector ship. I doubt the Thanix cannon is near the full power of a Reaper weapon... and Sovereign fires shots off like it is nothing. This discussion isn't even interesting with Reapers in the picture.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PaperKing That video has roughly 300 Reapers in it (someone else actually counted them) The Covenant fleet attacking Reach had 700 ships (according to the re-release of Fall of Reach, origional had 320ish). And the fleet that guards High Charity has even more as evidented by Halo 2 ("thats the largest covenant fleet I've ever seen, that anyones ever seen"). And some Covy ships are 26 km long while Reapers are 2km at most.[/quote] I stand corrected then. Still a funny video. *See's WH40k off in the distance* Oh, uhm, looks like there are better nerd wars to be had over there, I hear star wars is in town. [Edited on 05.28.2011 10:44 PM PDT]

That video has roughly 300 Reapers in it (someone else actually counted them) The Covenant fleet attacking Reach had 700 ships (according to the re-release of Fall of Reach, origional had 320ish). And the fleet that guards High Charity has even more as evidented by Halo 2 ("thats the largest covenant fleet I've ever seen, that anyones ever seen"). And some Covy ships are 26 km long while Reapers are 2km at most.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Krogster To those that say halo has more ships. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Oc-pstqpc][i]Ah yes, Reapers[/i][/url][/quote] Naw, Covenant/UNSC Joint Force would easily won due to their overwhelming firepower. Let's assume that most of reaper ships are usually 2km long; and in books/games, High Charity and Unyielding Hierophant had hundreds of assault carriers and supercarriers that's bigger than 2km long. Enough to obliterate reapers...

To those that say halo has more ships. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Oc-pstqpc][i]Ah yes, Reapers[/i][/url] [Edited on 05.28.2011 10:22 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie One small problem: Super MAC's need ground based generators to power them. So unless the UNSC and Covies take a planet with them, no joy. The Haloverse fleet is still using standard physics for their ships and weapons. The Mass Effect universe is manipulating MASS ITSELF. That is a MASSIVE technological advantage. Plus the Mass Effect races, namely the Turians and the Salarians both can reverse engineer nearly any weapon in a short amount of time. The only way the Haloverse fleet would win is if they mounted an overwhelming attack that paralyzed the ME fleets. Otherwise, when given enough time, the ME fleets would win. And don't get me started if the Reapers were to take on the Covenant. They Reapers would win in a few days.[/quote] Yes, the Super MACs are defence only, but that just means that its super difficult to wage offense on them. As for reverse engeneering, I don't think the Mass Effect races are all that good at that, considering how they haven't even tried figuring out how or why the Citadel works, which nearly got them killed already in ME1. They don't even bother with AIs after having some fail, while the Halo series has fully competent ones. As for time, I'd say the opposite of what you said is true. The ME races have the relays, so they can launch a first strike as a surprise attack with fast organizaion, while if given enough time, the Covy and UNSC fleets could group up figure out their locations and slipspace over. And the Reapers power isn't really that known. Their FTL is rather sluggish also, the Covenant can outrun them.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PaperKing Let me try to clear up some things with the Ship cannons, For my simplicities sake, I will use Joules for energy Standard MAC: 600 Ton Slug at 30,000 meters per second =2.7 * 10^14 J Super MAC: 3000 Ton Slug at "point four-tenths the speed of light" (is this 40% or 4%, odd wording choice) =2.16 * 10^22 J (40% Light Speed) or 2.16 * 10^20 J (4%) ME Dreadnought: 20 kg slug at 1.3% light speed (3,900,000 m/s) =1.521 * 10^14 J So basically, the typical Halo MAC is almost twice as powerful as the ME universe's strongest ships, but is much slower than them, while the Super MAC is ridiculously powered even if you go by 4% and not 40% light speed and utterly outclasses anything in the ME universe.[/quote] One small problem: Super MAC's need ground based generators to power them. So unless the UNSC and Covies take a planet with them, no joy. The Haloverse fleet is still using standard physics for their ships and weapons. The Mass Effect universe is manipulating MASS ITSELF. That is a MASSIVE technological advantage. Plus the Mass Effect races, namely the Turians and the Salarians both can reverse engineer nearly any weapon in a short amount of time. The only way the Haloverse fleet would win is if they mounted an overwhelming attack that paralyzed the ME fleets. Otherwise, when given enough time, the ME fleets would win. And don't get me started if the Reapers were to take on the Covenant. They Reapers would win in a few days.

Let me try to clear up some things with the Ship cannons, For my simplicities sake, I will use Joules for energy Standard MAC: 600 Ton Slug at 30,000 meters per second =2.7 * 10^14 J Super MAC: 3000 Ton Slug at "point four-tenths the speed of light" (is this 40% or 4%, odd wording choice) =2.16 * 10^22 J (40% Light Speed) or 2.16 * 10^20 J (4%) ME Dreadnought: 20 kg slug at 1.3% light speed (3,900,000 m/s) =1.521 * 10^14 J So basically, the typical Halo MAC is almost twice as powerful as the ME universe's strongest ships, but is much slower than them, while the Super MAC is ridiculously powered even if you go by 4% and not 40% light speed and utterly outclasses anything in the ME universe.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Nova Bomb > Reaper Fleet. ME 1&2 Small Arms > Halo Shield Tech [/quote] [i]Covenant[/i] shield tech, and even then I still don't see it working. How about we just say Mass Effect gets stomped overall and call it a day. The Covenant could take on the entire ME universe and conceivably win. Assuming the other three Halo races were brought up...god be with them.[/quote] Lol no. Covvies would get trashed on the ground. Covvies are having trouble with the UNSC. THE UNSC! Fighting against opponents with actual shields is a big deal for the Covvies. They take serious damage from UNSC weapons which are far inferior to Mass Effect weaponry. I think that the Halo canon even acknowledges that the UNSC small arms tech isn't nearly at its potential since most of their R&D was focused on developing space weaponry. Mass Effect weapons are firing several hundred times the kinetic energy as UNSC weapons, it would be like the shield wasn't even there. The only reason Covvies might win in a war against the Citadel is that they outnumber Mass Effect in terms of space vessels. That is assuming that the salarians couldn't capture one of the Covvies and engineer a virus to wipe them out. All it takes is one infected Covvie going aboard High Charity to bring an end to the war. As for the other race, humans, again, it would be only their ships that gave them an edge UNSC arms are a complete joke. One Heavy Mech could probably take out a couple hundred of them. Donovan hock is a single arms dealer and he has a rack in his mansion with like 10 of them. He's probably got scores of them, and he's just one guy. I'm sure Earth has thousands upon thousands of them, along with gunships, and all other assortment of mechs. Not to mention their infantry are better equipped. If this war were primarily fought on the ground, for whatever reason, Halo would get rocked. Oh, and the energy numbers put up for Halo ships are pretty much bull-blam!-. Never in any of the Halo games is either faction shown used weapons powerful enough to destroy planets. The ability to glass a planet is stated to be entirely metaphorical. I would say the energy output of their weapons is maybe a couple factors above nuclear from what we've seen in things like Halo Wars or Halo Reach, at best. [quote]The combination of the Citadel races' fleets would be greater of size than the Covenant fleet.[/quote] I'm not sure about that. The Citadel has a fair amount of ships, but compared to the unrealistically vast number of Covvie ships, they would be outnumbered. Which is strange, since the Covvies only own a small arm of the galaxy in their universe, whereas the Citadel controls half the known galaxy (with the other half being infested with pirates). [Edited on 05.28.2011 9:53 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Nova Bomb > Reaper Fleet. ME 1&2 Small Arms > Halo Shield Tech [/quote] [i]Covenant[/i] shield tech, and even then I still don't see it working. How about we just say Mass Effect gets stomped overall and call it a day. The Covenant could take on the entire ME universe and conceivably win. Assuming the other three Halo races were brought up...god be with them.[/quote] Sorry, but that would not be an honest assessment of the situation. Humanity was already holding its own against the Covies. By themselves. Covenant tactics were to use orbital bombardment to win. Now, in the ME universe, they can already control inertia. That gives them relativistic weaponry. Mass sped up to almost C. That means that it might as well be energy based. Covey shield tech would be owned, as a super MAC round took them out with a single shot. Every ME ship has the equivalent of a super mac gun in it. The second advantage the Covey's had was the size of the fleet. The combination of the Citadel races' fleets would be greater of size than the Covenant fleet. Again, the Covies gets owned. Lets recap shall we, ME ships are ship for ship superior. And the ME universe has more of them.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] raganok99 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] raganok99 Time to explain in this debate: [b] I would say UNSC/Covenant would easily won the fight against the ME forces in space battles... on ground, I'd say fair equality. Let me explain about space battles. UNSC ships use ship-grade MAC (Magnetic Accelerator Cannon) that fires 600 ton slugs (ferric tungsten or depleted uranium) in 40% of light-speed, equaling about 30,000 meters per second; generating about 1.17 teratons. Enough to gut any ME ships at ease. About Super-Mac... that's quite overkill against the ME, eh? It fires 3,000 ton slug (ferric tungsten or depleted uranium) in 60% of light-speed equaling about 120,000 meters per second; generating about 9.98 teratons. [/b] About Covenant's main weaponry being plasma; it can travel in light-speed or sub-light-speed, and highly guidance torpedoes much like missiles and it can easily boil through the ME ship's kinetic barrier then vaporize the ablative armor instantly. I forgot one more part: Energy Projectors, capable of firing a thin needle-like beam from 100,000 kilometers away, cutting any UNSC ships, even with 2 to 10 meters of Titanium-A alloy thick, it cut down them like butter. I think Energy projector is lot more powerful than a plasma torpedo. Shields, don't get me started... I doubt that ME ship's mass accelerator cannons can generate enough kinetic energy to destroy the shields, since covenant's [b] shields requires over 1.00 teratons of kinetic energy to completely destroy the shields. Excellent example is that UNSC ship fired three MAC slugs to eliminate the covenant's shields is about total of 3.51 teratons toward-ed to the shields. [/b] Also, ME have several huge disadvantages such as lack in navy assets numbers, Mass Accelerator cannons overheat very easily, requiring the ME fleet to quickly end the battle and retreat; to discharge the heat and size of ships. In books and games, including reach, confirmed that Covenant and UNSC's navy assets are MUCH larger than ME fleet. UNSC, i think it had 2,000 navy assets while Covenant numbers in 3,000 to 4,000. About size... Do you realize that Super-carrier's size is nearly 27 KM long? And most of UNSC ships are bigger than reaper ships since Sovereign was like, 2 km long? [/quote] [b] Bolded Words [/b] detail the fact fails here. The UNSC's weakest ship guns (Frigate MAC gun) hit with the force of 62 kilotons, not anywhere even REMOTELY close to a terraton. The SMAC hits with the force of 58 gigatons every 5 secnods (or 52 gigatons, can't remember). Either way, you're right: this power is far and above ME's wildest dreams. ^^^The thanix cannon shot what amounts to a MAC round in ME2....go them.[/quote] All right, explain how I am wrong about MAC's power. [/quote] [url=http://www.halopedian.com/Magnetic_Accelerator_Cannon#.22Super.22_Magnetic_Accelerator_Cannon]here you go[/url][/quote] Weird. I used Halonation.wiki instead of halopedia.wiki Oops! then I'll completely edit my previous arguments. EDIT: Fixed my small part of argument on math of power of weapons. Now it should be properly attained for you. :) [Edited on 05.28.2011 9:44 PM PDT]

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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] raganok99 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] raganok99 Time to explain in this debate: [b] I would say UNSC/Covenant would easily won the fight against the ME forces in space battles... on ground, I'd say fair equality. Let me explain about space battles. UNSC ships use ship-grade MAC (Magnetic Accelerator Cannon) that fires 600 ton slugs (ferric tungsten or depleted uranium) in 40% of light-speed, equaling about 30,000 meters per second; generating about 1.17 teratons. Enough to gut any ME ships at ease. About Super-Mac... that's quite overkill against the ME, eh? It fires 3,000 ton slug (ferric tungsten or depleted uranium) in 60% of light-speed equaling about 120,000 meters per second; generating about 9.98 teratons. [/b] About Covenant's main weaponry being plasma; it can travel in light-speed or sub-light-speed, and highly guidance torpedoes much like missiles and it can easily boil through the ME ship's kinetic barrier then vaporize the ablative armor instantly. I forgot one more part: Energy Projectors, capable of firing a thin needle-like beam from 100,000 kilometers away, cutting any UNSC ships, even with 2 to 10 meters of Titanium-A alloy thick, it cut down them like butter. I think Energy projector is lot more powerful than a plasma torpedo. Shields, don't get me started... I doubt that ME ship's mass accelerator cannons can generate enough kinetic energy to destroy the shields, since covenant's [b] shields requires over 1.00 teratons of kinetic energy to completely destroy the shields. Excellent example is that UNSC ship fired three MAC slugs to eliminate the covenant's shields is about total of 3.51 teratons toward-ed to the shields. [/b] Also, ME have several huge disadvantages such as lack in navy assets numbers, Mass Accelerator cannons overheat very easily, requiring the ME fleet to quickly end the battle and retreat; to discharge the heat and size of ships. In books and games, including reach, confirmed that Covenant and UNSC's navy assets are MUCH larger than ME fleet. UNSC, i think it had 2,000 navy assets while Covenant numbers in 3,000 to 4,000. About size... Do you realize that Super-carrier's size is nearly 27 KM long? And most of UNSC ships are bigger than reaper ships since Sovereign was like, 2 km long? [/quote] [b] Bolded Words [/b] detail the fact fails here. The UNSC's weakest ship guns (Frigate MAC gun) hit with the force of 62 kilotons, not anywhere even REMOTELY close to a terraton. The SMAC hits with the force of 58 gigatons every 5 secnods (or 52 gigatons, can't remember). Either way, you're right: this power is far and above ME's wildest dreams. ^^^The thanix cannon shot what amounts to a MAC round in ME2....go them.[/quote] All right, explain how I am wrong about MAC's power. [/quote] [url=http://www.halopedian.com/Magnetic_Accelerator_Cannon#.22Super.22_Magnetic_Accelerator_Cannon]here you go[/url]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Nova Bomb > Reaper Fleet. ME 1&2 Small Arms > Halo Shield Tech [/quote] [i]Covenant[/i] shield tech, and even then I still don't see it working. How about we just say Mass Effect gets stomped overall and call it a day. The Covenant could take on the entire ME universe and conceivably win. Assuming the other three Halo races were brought up...god be with them.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] raganok99 Time to explain in this debate: [b] I would say UNSC/Covenant would easily won the fight against the ME forces in space battles... on ground, I'd say fair equality. Let me explain about space battles. UNSC ships use ship-grade MAC (Magnetic Accelerator Cannon) that fires 600 ton slugs (ferric tungsten or depleted uranium) in 40% of light-speed, equaling about 30,000 meters per second; generating about 1.17 teratons. Enough to gut any ME ships at ease. About Super-Mac... that's quite overkill against the ME, eh? It fires 3,000 ton slug (ferric tungsten or depleted uranium) in 60% of light-speed equaling about 120,000 meters per second; generating about 9.98 teratons. [/b] About Covenant's main weaponry being plasma; it can travel in light-speed or sub-light-speed, and highly guidance torpedoes much like missiles and it can easily boil through the ME ship's kinetic barrier then vaporize the ablative armor instantly. I forgot one more part: Energy Projectors, capable of firing a thin needle-like beam from 100,000 kilometers away, cutting any UNSC ships, even with 2 to 10 meters of Titanium-A alloy thick, it cut down them like butter. I think Energy projector is lot more powerful than a plasma torpedo. Shields, don't get me started... I doubt that ME ship's mass accelerator cannons can generate enough kinetic energy to destroy the shields, since covenant's [b] shields requires over 1.00 teratons of kinetic energy to completely destroy the shields. Excellent example is that UNSC ship fired three MAC slugs to eliminate the covenant's shields is about total of 3.51 teratons toward-ed to the shields. [/b] Also, ME have several huge disadvantages such as lack in navy assets numbers, Mass Accelerator cannons overheat very easily, requiring the ME fleet to quickly end the battle and retreat; to discharge the heat and size of ships. In books and games, including reach, confirmed that Covenant and UNSC's navy assets are MUCH larger than ME fleet. UNSC, i think it had 2,000 navy assets while Covenant numbers in 3,000 to 4,000. About size... Do you realize that Super-carrier's size is nearly 27 KM long? And most of UNSC ships are bigger than reaper ships since Sovereign was like, 2 km long? [/quote] [b] Bolded Words [/b] detail the fact fails here. The UNSC's weakest ship guns (Frigate MAC gun) hit with the force of 62 kilotons, not anywhere even REMOTELY close to a terraton. The SMAC hits with the force of 58 gigatons every 5 secnods (or 52 gigatons, can't remember). Either way, you're right: this power is far and above ME's wildest dreams. ^^^The thanix cannon shot what amounts to a MAC round in ME2....go them.[/quote] All right, explain how I am wrong about MAC's power.