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5/13/2011 8:18:09 PM
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"That's the largest Covenant Fleet I've ever seen"
[i]"The Largest anyone's ever seen."[/i]
My question is this, how many Covenant ships were there in total before the Great Schism cruising with High Charity?
Short and Simple.
Question: You guys are putting the fleet up close to one thousand ships! How would that be possible if Earth was invaded with less than 50? Even with the Great Schism It's hard to believe so many were destroyed.
[Edited on 05.13.2011 1:00 PM PDT]
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I could be wrong but wasn't the fleet around High Charity (HC)approx 300-500 ships. I think it was said they we're safeguarding HC and arming for invasion. Then HC was decimated and took over 80% of that fleet with it? Where the remaining ships were damaged too.
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Yeah, it doesn't really matter. The Brutes and Elites fighting each other accounted for the most lost Covenant armies than any other battle in the history of the War. They were the ones responsible for the piss-poor odds the Covenant faces against the UNSC in Halo 3, idiocy. [Edited on 05.14.2011 11:27 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SC Matt Klassen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SC Matt Klassen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caesar_Augustus Well, if it's the largest anyones's ever seen, it's greater than 700 which was the amount at Reach, but I don't know the exact number.[/quote] fixed. Number of Covenant ships at Reach was retconned.[/quote] Wrong, that was an error made by taking Hood's exaggeration at face value, the reference to 700+ ships at Reach is only made once, and then every time after that it goes back to about 314. The number of Covenant ships at Reach has not changed at all, well not the amount of ships in the Fleet of Particular Justice at least, there were probably a little more than 314 ships there because of the left overs of the fleet that arrived on the 14th. I'd estimate total Covenant ships at Reach toward the end of the fight to be no more than about 400. OT: High Charity's fleet is huge, probably numbering in the thousands would be my guess.[/quote] 343 fails then. FOREVER. retconning and then counterretconning in the same book. Nope.[/quote] I'd assume that it's more likely an editing mistake 343i didn't catch when going over the book, just like they didn't catch the messed up dates :P
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343 hasen't screwed up anything dumbass. They've only fixed holes and counter-acting sources and added to the canon. They've done nothing wrong.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SC Matt Klassen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caesar_Augustus Well, if it's the largest anyones's ever seen, it's greater than 700 which was the amount at Reach, but I don't know the exact number.[/quote] fixed. Number of Covenant ships at Reach was retconned.[/quote] Wrong, that was an error made by taking Hood's exaggeration at face value, the reference to 700+ ships at Reach is only made once, and then every time after that it goes back to about 314. The number of Covenant ships at Reach has not changed at all, well not the amount of ships in the Fleet of Particular Justice at least, there were probably a little more than 314 ships there because of the left overs of the fleet that arrived on the 14th. I'd estimate total Covenant ships at Reach toward the end of the fight to be no more than about 400. OT: High Charity's fleet is huge, probably numbering in the thousands would be my guess.[/quote] 343 fails then. FOREVER. retconning and then counterretconning in the same book. Nope.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SC Matt Klassen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caesar_Augustus Well, if it's the largest anyones's ever seen, it's greater than 700 which was the amount at Reach, but I don't know the exact number.[/quote] fixed. Number of Covenant ships at Reach was retconned.[/quote] Wrong, that was an error made by taking Hood's exaggeration at face value, the reference to 700+ ships at Reach is only made once, and then every time after that it goes back to about 314. The number of Covenant ships at Reach has not changed at all, well not the amount of ships in the Fleet of Particular Justice at least, there were probably a little more than 314 ships there because of the left overs of the fleet that arrived on the 14th. I'd estimate total Covenant ships at Reach toward the end of the fight to be no more than about 400. OT: High Charity's fleet is huge, probably numbering in the thousands would be my guess.
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its never mentioned in any of the books or in any of the games, only that it is a sizeable fleet. think about it this way, how many ships were at Unyielding Heirophant? it'll likely be more than that since High Charity was the single most important asset in the Covenant.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mutoid Log [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mutoid Log [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 Earth was invaded with less than 50?[/quote]What the hell? Why are people still spouting out this blatant lie?! 30 covenant ships survived the battle of Earth. Hundreds were destroyed. Can be please stop with this bull-blam!-? [/quote] I see the evidence otherwise. Regrets fleet consisted of 15 ships, those being 2 Assault Carriers and 13 CCS Battlecruisers. Truth's fleet consisted of 12 ships that were build following the destruction of the Unyielding Hierophant. The Fleet of Furious Redemption consisted of what? 27 ships? In Total, that's around 45 ships. I see no support to your claim of the invasion fleet consisting of hundreds of ships, please show me your source.[/quote]The first Covenant ships arrived on October 20th. On November 3rd, the covenant was still engaging multiple UNSC fleets in orbit [GoO page 205], and on November 8 [[url=http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=16989]BWU[/url]] the UNSC was still fighting in orbit and had firepower to spare [H2 ending]. This means that Truth's ships were able to engage the entire might of Earth's defenses for 3 weeks. And in the end of this battle, Truth's 30 remaining ships dominated the Earth. They could freely bomb the planet and land anywhere they wanted. The UNSC fleet was "smashed" and reduced to a "handful", to the point where deploying 3 frigates was considered a "big risk" [Crow's Nest opening]. And when it comes to fleets, Truth had not only the fleet of Furious Redemption at his disposal, but the fleets of Profound Composure, Tranquil Composure, and Inner Knowledge as well.[HW timeline] If we estimate each fleet's size to be a modest 100 ships (considering the smallest concrete number we have is 315), we'll have 400 ships attacking Earth - a number that fits the facts.[/quote] Damn, we are letting all valves fire today aren't we?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mutoid Log [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 Earth was invaded with less than 50?[/quote]What the hell? Why are people still spouting out this blatant lie?! 30 covenant ships survived the battle of Earth. Hundreds were destroyed. Can be please stop with this bull-blam!-? [/quote] I see the evidence otherwise. Regrets fleet consisted of 15 ships, those being 2 Assault Carriers and 13 CCS Battlecruisers. Truth's fleet consisted of 12 ships that were build following the destruction of the Unyielding Hierophant. The Fleet of Furious Redemption consisted of what? 27 ships? In Total, that's around 45 ships. I see no support to your claim of the invasion fleet consisting of hundreds of ships, please show me your source.[/quote]The first Covenant ships arrived on October 20th. On November 3rd, the covenant was still engaging multiple UNSC fleets in orbit [GoO page 205], and on November 8 [[url=http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=16989]BWU[/url]] the UNSC was still fighting in orbit and had firepower to spare [H2 ending]. This means that Truth's ships were able to engage the entire might of Earth's defenses for 3 weeks. And in the end of this battle, Truth's 30 remaining ships dominated the Earth. They could freely bomb the planet and land anywhere they wanted. The UNSC fleet was "smashed" and reduced to a "handful", to the point where deploying 3 frigates was considered a "big risk" [Crow's Nest opening]. And when it comes to fleets, Truth had not only the fleet of Furious Redemption at his disposal, but the fleets of Profound Composure, Tranquil Composure, and Inner Knowledge as well.[HW timeline] If we estimate each fleet's size to be a modest 100 ships (considering the smallest concrete number we have is 315), we'll have 400 ships attacking Earth - a number that fits the facts.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fsabran [/quote] Umm... OT: I would actually like to know. Such a huge fleet could have destroyed any planet within minutes.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mutoid Log [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 Earth was invaded with less than 50?[/quote]What the hell? Why are people still spouting out this blatant lie?! 30 covenant ships survived the battle of Earth. Hundreds were destroyed. Can be please stop with this bull-blam!-? [/quote] I see the evidence otherwise. Regrets fleet consisted of 15 ships, those being 2 Assault Carriers and 13 CCS Battlecruisers. Truth's fleet consisted of 12 ships that were build following the destruction of the Unyielding Hierophant. The Fleet of Furious Redemption consisted of what? 27 ships? In Total, that's around 45 ships. I see no support to your claim of the invasion fleet consisting of hundreds of ships, please show me your source. [i]"Something's not right. The fleet that destroyed Reach was fifty times this size!" Fleet Admiral Terrence Hood[/i]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zephryon Earth was not invaded by 50 ships. By the time of Halo 3. The entire USNC fleet was destroyed, all orbital defences were gone. This means that Truth had a fleet that destroyed all of that, but he probably lost most of his own ships in the process.[/quote] Only 2 SMAC's were destoryed, not the others. Regret and Truth simply bypassed the SMAC defenses by making an opening by destroying 2 of them.
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[quote] Zephryon Earth was not invaded by 50 ships. By the time of Halo 3. The entire USNC fleet was destroyed, all orbital defences were gone. This means that Truth had a fleet that destroyed all of that, but he probably lost most of his own ships in the process.[/quote] Ummmm, no. UNSC's Home Fleet wasn't even completely destroyed -.- Did you not see couple of frigates came in and tried to blow up forerunner dreadnought. If you said that it was complete unsc fleet was destroyed which it would meant that frigates weren't supposed to be here, it's supposed to be destroyed in above of orbit. During entire battle of earth, a large chunk of UNSC fleet were destroyed. Besides, Regret had 15 ships attacking early; majority of them were destroyed. Later, Truth came with little over 30 ships plus fleet of furious redemption able to destroy a large chunk of UNSC's Home Fleet before retreating to the Ark with heavy losses. Since elites claimed that they outnumbered them by 3; while their total number of ships is nine strong; we can safely assume that remaining of covenant loyalists had about 27 ships. (my gross estimation) And I don't think all of SMACs and ODPs were destroyed as well. [Edited on 05.13.2011 10:25 PM PDT]
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2-3'000
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Earth was not invaded by 50 ships. By the time of Halo 3. The entire USNC fleet was destroyed, all orbital defences were gone. This means that Truth had a fleet that destroyed all of that, but he probably lost most of his own ships in the process.
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According to the epilogue of First Strike: "They gathered data and emerged into the cold vacuum, where they were recovered by the [u]hundreds of supercarriers and cruisers[/u] in ststion-keeping positions around the massive, bulbous planetoid that dominated the heavens." Just going by those two classes the full size has got to be over a thousands ships. ^^^This probably has been retconned. Also, we are talking about High Charity's defensive fleet right? [Edited on 05.13.2011 7:04 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 Earth was invaded with less than 50?[/quote]What the hell? Why are people still spouting out this blatant lie?! 30 covenant ships survived the battle of Earth. Hundreds were destroyed. Can be please stop with this bull-blam!-? As for the topic, the answer IS the great schism. If you put 1000 ships in orbit around High Charity, give half of them to the Brutes and half to the elites (adjust for skills) and add flood to the mix, it's only reasonable for the majority of the ships to be destroyed. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tsassi2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MegaMuffin16 I'll load up [i]Regret[/i] and count them.[/quote] Won't work. I doupt the whole fleet is actually shown in the game. Bungie probably put there few hundred ships to make it look big. There aren't necessarily even hundred ships shown in the game. [/quote]The fleet animation is an infinite loop; ships appear from the clouds in one side of the skybox and disappear in the other end. [Edited on 05.13.2011 6:32 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fsabran Over 9000! i am surprised that no one posted that already but probaly some thousand or a litle more[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rider Luke Over 9000![/quote] >.>
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Over 9000! i am surprised that no one posted that already but probaly some thousand or a litle more
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SC Matt Klassen At least nine hundred thousand.[/quote] That's far too much.
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At least nine hundred thousand.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caesar_Augustus Well, if it's the largest anyones's ever seen, it's greater than 700 which was the amount at Reach, but I don't know the exact number.[/quote] fixed. Number of Covenant ships at Reach was retconned.
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Pretty sure High Charity was denoted of having a fleet of a thousand ships as an escort somewhere in Ghosts of Onyx
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MegaMuffin16 I'll load up [i]Regret[/i] and count them.[/quote] Won't work. I doupt the whole fleet is actually shown in the game. Bungie probably put there few hundred ships to make it look big. There aren't necessarily even hundred ships shown in the game. I'd estimate the fleet to be around seven hundred to thousand.
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In Ghosts of Onyx isn't it mentioned as upwards of 10,000? It was built up as freaking massive.
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I'll load up [i]Regret[/i] and count them.
