Without noble six sacrificing himself john would have never made it off reach

I commited suicide in the 'Lone Wolf' mission.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ReconHunter101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] L0V3LikeRockets If 6 is as good as Master Chief, then why did he die? Chief lived through three games, Six couldn't even make it off the initial planet.[/quote] OK then. Let's see this scenario. MC is stuck on Reach instead of Noble 6. He has Covenant on his tail with no way off. He has nothing to help him. No comrades, no infinite ammo, and only 3 health kits. Survival is higly improbable.[/quote] Yes, but The Chief due to him being a SII he would've known about ONI Castle Base. Which means he survives. Meets the other remaining SII's, and rescues himself from Reach. Six, being ONI black OPs should have known about Castle Base. But decided to stay and die instead. [Edited on 08.07.2011 1:12 PM PDT]

If you ask me, Noble 6 > Master Chief. B312 has less quality augmentations, doesn't have a smart AI like Cortana to help him, usually ends up fighting everything by himself, fights Covenant more advanced than the ones Chief fights, and still manages to come out on top. Also the only member of Noble Team who survived the game. (Minus that bastard Jun) It took Elites breaking their own code of honor and ganging up on Six with Energy Swords and daggers just to pin him down. Chief pretty much had the entire UNSC to help him in the last two Halo games. And if 6 hadn't sacrificed himself on Reach, the Covenant would have won and Chief would have died a painful death.

Indeed, Gordon would find some way to kick both of their asses, because he's Gordon. Anyway... Many people are saying Chief is better since he did not die. Well that's all (as any self respecting halo fan should know) because of luck. But luck is not real, therefore it can't be accounted for (even Halsey says so) bring Chief down a few notches to Noble 6 level. Six only died from those Elites because he was unlucky. Now give John some older Spartan armor and no Cortana and we have an interesting fight. With these factors there is no way we can measure the fight, since Chief's survival was based around luck, Cortana, and better armor. But remember this. [b]Chief is neither the fastest, smartest or strongest Spartan![/b] But then who is? Given that he and Six are the only known hyper lethal Spartans, wouldn't it be likely that Six was superior without Chief's luck? [B]But Six had his own luck,[/b] not as much as Chief but enough, even if it did run out at the end. So who would win. A different Spartan would win sans luck against the Chief and Six in different categories (Speed, strength, intelligence) but they don't have luck. This means we can never know for sure, but odds are, they are equals. But that doesn't stop some people (here's looking at you, [b]Zomechin[/b]) from making comments with no thought involved thinking their simple minded statement automatically ends a discussion in their favor. And for all this "Reach isn't canon," nonsense, if it is a game made by Bungie, it trumps the books. I'm not saying the books aren't well written (I loved Fall of Reach) but the books are now being edited to fit the Reach storyline. Any body who complains of "contradictions" needs to realize there is many ways, if a bit of a stretch to some, that they can coincide.

if you think about it six has all the odds against him/her with worse armour, training etc.then cheif he has more of a 'success rate' with better armour, augmintations etc. so if six has the same skill set as cheif and has all the odds against him/her then it proves 6 is better than cheif

Also, in the Halo wikia, you see that Halsey says "Noble Six. The team's most recent addition.... Hyper-lethal: there's only one other Spartan with that rating..." That spartan, to not make you confused is Chief.

If there was a Master Chief vs Six type of thing. It's probably be those long fights that at the end Chief throws a plasma grenade at Six then before six dies he quickly shoots Chief with a rocket launcher and they both explode. But then, that would mean no Halo: CE - Halo777?

1: The use of "is" should not be permitted due to the fact that Noble Six is dead, and John-117 is not. The use of a present tense automatically makes this argument void. 2: Spartan IIIs were designed to be cheaper alternatives to Spartan IIs. Ideally their training is meant to be better, but they can not match the physical traits of Spartan IIs. No, their augmentations are not equivalent. 3: One's argument that Cortana is the only reason the Chief survived is convenient, and not proveable one way or the other. Circumstances happened as they did, and one could theorize any change could have a favorable outcome to whatever argument you're trying to make. Conjecture...not fact. The Chief was not alone through his entire trilogy, but then, neither was Noble Six alone in his time either. 4: Spartan B312 had a rather impressive final stand (cinematically) but this is to be expected considering it is the last you will ever see of the control character. Hollywooding his/her fate was to be expected, and one could hypostulate that the same may have been done for John, had he ever been planned to meet his end in any game. 5: Regarding canon. Yes, it has been stated, and despite preference to the contrary, the games dictate canon, not the novels. It doesn't matter that better care was not taken to tie the prequel game in with the mythology the books were building, for they are little more than fan-fiction themselves designed to profit off of what was a money horse (I'm not disputing their quality, and just because I appreciate the stories doesn't matter either; it is inconsequential). 6: Given even ground, in a one on one fight between Spartan B312 and John-117, I believe I would give the advantage to the Chief. Stronger, faster, (as documented in all forms) lucky, and to whatever degree, he is more seasoned. However, this is not to say that Master Chief would not be given a run for his money. There is simply too little known about Noble Six to reasonably give him more than a "good effort" on the idea of comparison. 7: The trailer provided as clue for Spartan B312s identification is nonsensical. It is a pre-release teaser. Notice that Carter-A259 does not look as he does in the actual game. Also take note that in the teaser there is evidence that the Covenant is already making moves against humanity, whereas at that point in the game itself, upon just meeting the rest of Noble Team, they are unaware of the iminent Covenant threat. To rely upon teaser trailers for canonical information is folly. [Edited on 07.03.2011 7:57 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Eric111495 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NJ Goon Squad 1 Well If Six = Hyperleathal And If Chief = Hyperleathal Then Six = Chief SAT Logic Duh[/quote] Hyperleathal = not a word. (Hyper-Lethal) Basic Spelling, duh. [quote]Where was his squad when he was overwhelmed by high-class Elites? Cortana was the only thing standing between Chief and death when an Infection Form nearly infected him. And he almost activated Halo, were it not for Cortana he would've. Chief struggled BIG TIME on Alpha Halo. [/quote] When was Noble 6 ever overwhelmed by a flood of the Flood? Obviously a far deadlier enemy than high-class elites, if the Chief could overcome anything the covenant threw his way, but struggled against a disease. And for those who have decided Chief only survived so long due to Cortana, what about, firstly, pre-Reach, when he went through several missions without her, and succeeded, and secondly, the majority of Halo 3, where he fought hordes of covenant and flood, with no constant companions, and occasionally none at all (Cortana). 6 =/= Chief. Lesser augmentation, lesser training, lesser armor, although similar in all counts, and almost exact in determination. 6 might have put up a fight, but Chief would have triumphed in the end, IMO.[/quote] Pre-Reach he was with the rest of his squad, the equivalent of a Cortana. Chief also had fragments of Cortana in his helmet due to being exposed to the AI for so long(hence the random Cortana encounters in halo 3). We also know that for most missions in halo 3 he was often accompanied by the arbiter.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] elakz Six is a ROOKIE. Master Chief is well... a Master. And a Chief. Six NEVER made it through 3 games and more than one planet. Chief has the Battle Rifle and was able to use his left arm for more than throwing grenades(dual-wielding). Chief was more skilled and more epic. Master Chief Finished The Fight![/quote] Six is not a ROOKIE, he has a huge file that is completely black listed. He was also a lone wolf, unlike the chief, and could fair much better on his own, unlike master chief who was only the best because Fred let him be and struggled to complete even the simplest tasks on his own(read The Flood in which he says it himself). Six also was one of the last surviving members of the UNSC on Reach. The an entire armada vs one man, good luck (Do not mention the high charity crap because: A. He had cortana who helped him avoid enemies B. The Covenant was weakened by the power struggle and civil was on high charity. C. The Covenant was weekend again by on high charity by the flood attack, and most if not all attention was to try to combat the flood, not John. D. John mostly fought grunts, Jackals, and brutes, All of which Six easily destroyed during Exodus. E. I could compare Chiefs high charity excursion to Six's LNoS experience.)

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] K1rschwasser no. master chief had an entire trilogy based off of him [soon to be another trilogy]...that makes it a sex-ilogy? Right? I don't know. Noble 6 died he got one game tops. Your argument is thus invalid. BOOM! [/quote] yeah but 343 could make a pequel about 6.BOOM!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TURTLER9 master chief is a spartan III, instantly making him better.[/quote] He is a spartan II and Noble 6 is a Spartan III Anyways on topic: Noble 6 is nothing compared to chief. [Edited on 06.18.2011 8:36 AM PDT]

Commander Gordon Chief Johnson Aran.

gordon freeman

Noble 6 is retarded.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NJ Goon Squad 1 Well If Six = Hyperleathal And If Chief = Hyperleathal Then Six = Chief SAT Logic Duh[/quote] Hyperleathal = not a word. (Hyper-Lethal) Basic Spelling, duh. [quote]Where was his squad when he was overwhelmed by high-class Elites? Cortana was the only thing standing between Chief and death when an Infection Form nearly infected him. And he almost activated Halo, were it not for Cortana he would've. Chief struggled BIG TIME on Alpha Halo. [quote] When was Noble 6 ever overwhelmed by a flood of the Flood? Obviously a far deadlier enemy than high-class elites, if the Chief could overcome anything the covenant threw his way, but struggled against a disease. And for those who have decided Chief only survived so long due to Cortana, what about, firstly, pre-Reach, when he went through several missions without her, and succeeded, and secondly, the majority of Halo 3, where he fought hordes of covenant and flood, with no constant companions, and occasionally none at all (Cortana). 6 =/= Chief. Lesser augmentation, lesser training, lesser armor, although similar in all counts, and almost exact in determination. 6 might have put up a fight, but Chief would have triumphed in the end, IMO.

Six dies...MC doesn't...hence six

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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] micg0 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] stutzand He wasn't the best Spartan II in any particular aspect. .[/quote] A big NO to that. "He was a born leader" And does cortana tell us something about luck when we start the h3 campaign? Not sure about that, maybe someone could check it out?[/quote]"...and you had something no one else have, can you guess?... LUCK"

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] K1rschwasser no. master chief had an entire trilogy based off of him [soon to be another trilogy]...that makes it a sex-ilogy? Right? I don't know. Noble 6 died he got one game tops. Your argument is thus invalid. BOOM! [/quote] I would imagine hexology. Or, just series or saga. [Edited on 06.17.2011 2:46 PM PDT]

no. master chief had an entire trilogy based off of him [soon to be another trilogy]...that makes it a sex-ilogy? Right? I don't know. Noble 6 died he got one game tops. Your argument is thus invalid. BOOM!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] greatestSheriff Bungie says Reach is canon then its canon. Game can contradict books, the games are the ultimate canon, this makes Reach canon, even if some parts make no sense, the final part in the book becomes reconnected, meaning MC was in Gamma Station, then he took a pelican back along with Jenkins, Johnson and others to the Autumn that was in the Azrod Shipyard in Reach. [/quote] Most will never considerate that way. At best Reach is just a terrible fan-fiction story that muscled it's way through better, actual cannon and now sits around waiting to be put out of it's misery.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] micg0 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] stutzand He wasn't the best Spartan II in any particular aspect. .[/quote] A big NO to that. "He was a born leader" And does cortana tell us something about luck when we start the h3 campaign? Not sure about that, maybe someone could check it out?[/quote] Did you even read the rest of that post? I said that his leadership is what made him good.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GODLY HIPPO [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheiHero Samus Aran would rpe both of them anyways[/quote] Master Chief would wipe the floor with Samus...[/quote] AHAHAHAHAHAOHMYGODDIDHEJUSTAHAHAHA--