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4/12/2011 2:05:12 AM
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Is master chief a forerunner?
Remember in halo 3 when guilty spark said that master chief was a forerunner? Is this true?
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1 Reply[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arbiter326 Remember in halo 3 when guilty spark said that master chief was a forerunner? Is this true?[/quote]The human race in the Halo series where descendants of the Forerunners, that's why they use forerunner technology and the Covenant could not. MC is human, so Guilty Spark refered to him as a forerunner.
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1 Reply[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arbiter326 Remember in halo 3 when guilty spark said that master chief was a forerunner? Is this true?[/quote] Spark, at the moment, was going insane.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark3nd Av3ng3r Not when you look at the wiki. While they shared a resemblance, the Forerunners were more squid-like and the wiki clearly states the Forerunners were annihilated firing the Halo's and were never seen again. I quote "At last, the Forerunners exhausted every alternative and activated the Halo array, killing themselves and all sentient life of sufficient biomass in the Milky Way, with the exception of those species safely placed on the Ark. "[/quote] When was it said they were squid like? I thought that was the merce or however it is spelled[/quote]Yep. Forerunner DNA are similar to Human DNA; any Squid traits would change DNA drastically.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark3nd Av3ng3r Not when you look at the wiki. While they shared a resemblance, the Forerunners were more squid-like and the wiki clearly states the Forerunners were annihilated firing the Halo's and were never seen again. I quote "At last, the Forerunners exhausted every alternative and activated the Halo array, killing themselves and all sentient life of sufficient biomass in the Milky Way, with the exception of those species safely placed on the Ark. "[/quote] When was it said they were squid like? I thought that was the merce or however it is spelled
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arbiter326 Remember in halo 3 when guilty spark said that master chief was a forerunner? Is this true?[/quote]He was in a [i]human[/i] for 9 months, spawned by a [i]human[/i], and lived with [i]humans[/i] for more than 40 years. I think he's a Human.
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Not when you look at the wiki. While they shared a resemblance, the Forerunners were more squid-like and the wiki clearly states the Forerunners were annihilated firing the Halo's and were never seen again. I quote "At last, the Forerunners exhausted every alternative and activated the Halo array, killing themselves and all sentient life of sufficient biomass in the Milky Way, with the exception of those species safely placed on the Ark. " And also, another small quote from the Forerunner article on wiki "In Halo, the last campaign mission in Halo 3, there is a cutscene in which a rampant 343 Guilty Spark says to John-117; "You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind. You are Forerunner." This, among other things, has led to many fans to conclude that Humanity and the Forerunner are one and the same. However, the Terminals show that the "Librarian" was on Earth, discovering early modern humans 100,000 years ago, indexed them, and built a portal to Installation 00 to send them there. This makes it more likely, in accordance with known Forerunner mythology, that the Forerunners merely intended humanity to be their successors, and likely did something to the species as a whole to allow Forerunner technology to recognize them. This would explain why the Covenant device for finding Forerunner artifacts always sees humans as moving artifacts." [Edited on 04.13.2011 3:51 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark3nd Av3ng3r Even if Master Chief isn't a Forerunner, it's a reasonable assumption to make that Spark thought of him as one. Just look at the endings of Halo's 2 and 3. Both Tauterus (pardon the misspelling) and Truth required a human to activate the rings. Therefore, and there is no doubt in my mind, Spark saw him as a Forerunner because humanity were the ones chosen to inherit what the Forerunners had left behind: Halo. And it was most likely done in an attempt to prevent someone like Truth coming along and activating the rings because it must have seemed to the Forerunners that humanity, unlike the Prophets, Sanghielli, and other species of the universe, weren't easily blinded. In other words, look at what Truth thought the rings did and look who followed him. Then comes humanity and they didn't believe in Truth's lies. That's honestly what I think the reason is.[/quote] Forerunners and Humans are brother species.
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Even if Master Chief isn't a Forerunner, it's a reasonable assumption to make that Spark thought of him as one. Just look at the endings of Halo's 2 and 3. Both Tauterus (pardon the misspelling) and Truth required a human to activate the rings. Therefore, and there is no doubt in my mind, Spark saw him as a Forerunner because humanity were the ones chosen to inherit what the Forerunners had left behind: Halo. And it was most likely done in an attempt to prevent someone like Truth coming along and activating the rings because it must have seemed to the Forerunners that humanity, unlike the Prophets, Sanghielli, and other species of the universe, weren't easily blinded. In other words, look at what Truth thought the rings did and look who followed him. Then comes humanity and they didn't believe in Truth's lies. That's honestly what I think the reason is.
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Been awhile since I've read it myself. Maybe they did and I just never noticed it. The one time I remember them actually commenting on it was Truth at the end of Halo 3. Or, they simply thought "reclaimer" in reference to humans were Forerunners unworthy of the great journey.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dedworth Mean Jumping back in I have a few questions related to this, or points for you lot to argue. 1 - 343 clearly states that you ARE Foreunner 2 - The Prophets of Truth and Mercy recognise Humanity as being Forerunner and therefore eradicating their entire belief system. (If they weren't, what was the issue? Why not meld Humanity into the Covenant like every other race?) 3 - The games were made BEFORE Cryptum. Was the original idea to have Humanity as Forerunners and then 343 thought "lets switch that up a bit and have people like us debate and retcon it ourselves) Away you go [/quote] Wrong, the Prophets of Truth, Mercy, and Regret learns humans were the reclaimers of the Forerunner legacy, not them. That was what would destroy the Covenant belief, that the Prophets were leading them on a holy journey to reclaim the legacy of their gods. Now it's learned that the Forerunners chose a completely different race as the reclaimers, meaning the Prophets would lose their power. Truth did not want to lose his power.[/quote] O_o I thought they believed that Humanity were Forerunners, and that they had been left behind or something like that? I mean, what you're saying is definitely part of it, but I thought they did primarily what they did because they though there were living Forerunners still running around (and with the possible exception of Mercy, were power hungry bastards).[/quote] Hm, Maybe. Then again as time went on Truth seemed to become more deluded with his power. At the very least, in the beginning they thought/knew humans were the true reclaimers of the Forerunner legacy. As time went on maybe truth started thinking that being Reclaimers meant those left behind when the forerunners started their great journey?[/quote] He certainly did. Truth was certainly a bit unhinged by the end there. Yes, it's certain that they knew that Humanity were the true inheritors of the Forerunner's legacy. I'm pretty sure that they thought they were living Forerunners, but I'd have to read Contact Harvest again to be positive, I might have read something wrong, it's happened before :P
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dedworth Mean Jumping back in I have a few questions related to this, or points for you lot to argue. 1 - 343 clearly states that you ARE Foreunner 2 - The Prophets of Truth and Mercy recognise Humanity as being Forerunner and therefore eradicating their entire belief system. (If they weren't, what was the issue? Why not meld Humanity into the Covenant like every other race?) 3 - The games were made BEFORE Cryptum. Was the original idea to have Humanity as Forerunners and then 343 thought "lets switch that up a bit and have people like us debate and retcon it ourselves) Away you go [/quote] Wrong, the Prophets of Truth, Mercy, and Regret learns humans were the reclaimers of the Forerunner legacy, not them. That was what would destroy the Covenant belief, that the Prophets were leading them on a holy journey to reclaim the legacy of their gods. Now it's learned that the Forerunners chose a completely different race as the reclaimers, meaning the Prophets would lose their power. Truth did not want to lose his power.[/quote] O_o I thought they believed that Humanity were Forerunners, and that they had been left behind or something like that? I mean, what you're saying is definitely part of it, but I thought they did primarily what they did because they though there were living Forerunners still running around (and with the possible exception of Mercy, were power hungry bastards).[/quote] Hm, Maybe. Then again as time went on Truth seemed to become more deluded with his power. At the very least, in the beginning they thought/knew humans were the true reclaimers of the Forerunner legacy. As time went on maybe truth started thinking that being Reclaimers meant those left behind when the forerunners started their great journey?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dedworth Mean Jumping back in I have a few questions related to this, or points for you lot to argue. 1 - 343 clearly states that you ARE Foreunner 2 - The Prophets of Truth and Mercy recognise Humanity as being Forerunner and therefore eradicating their entire belief system. (If they weren't, what was the issue? Why not meld Humanity into the Covenant like every other race?) 3 - The games were made BEFORE Cryptum. Was the original idea to have Humanity as Forerunners and then 343 thought "lets switch that up a bit and have people like us debate and retcon it ourselves) Away you go [/quote] Wrong, the Prophets of Truth, Mercy, and Regret learns humans were the reclaimers of the Forerunner legacy, not them. That was what would destroy the Covenant belief, that the Prophets were leading them on a holy journey to reclaim the legacy of their gods. Now it's learned that the Forerunners chose a completely different race as the reclaimers, meaning the Prophets would lose their power. Truth did not want to lose his power.[/quote] O_o I thought they believed that Humanity were Forerunners, and that they had been left behind or something like that? I mean, what you're saying is definitely part of it, but I thought they did primarily what they did because they though there were living Forerunners still running around (and with the possible exception of Mercy, were power hungry bastards).
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NL Beer Chief is neither a forerunner NOR a Human he's kinda like the terminator[/quote] Wow, I take it you haven't read the Novels or Halsey's journal?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dedworth Mean [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dedworth Mean Jumping back in I have a few questions related to this, or points for you lot to argue. 1 - 343 clearly states that you ARE Foreunner 2 - The Prophets of Truth and Mercy recognise Humanity as being Forerunner and therefore eradicating their entire belief system. (If they weren't, what was the issue? Why not meld Humanity into the Covenant like every other race?) 3 - The games were made BEFORE Cryptum. Was the original idea to have Humanity as Forerunners and then 343 thought "lets switch that up a bit and have people like us debate and retcon it ourselves) Away you go [/quote] Wrong, the Prophets of Truth, Mercy, and Regret learns humans were the reclaimers of the Forerunner legacy, not them. That was what would destroy the Covenant belief, that the Prophets were leading them on a holy journey to reclaim the legacy of their gods. Now it's learned that the Forerunners chose a completely different race as the reclaimers, meaning the Prophets would lose their power. Truth did not want to lose his power.[/quote] Nice one for clearing that up for me![/quote] No problem lol.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dedworth Mean Jumping back in I have a few questions related to this, or points for you lot to argue. 1 - 343 clearly states that you ARE Foreunner 2 - The Prophets of Truth and Mercy recognise Humanity as being Forerunner and therefore eradicating their entire belief system. (If they weren't, what was the issue? Why not meld Humanity into the Covenant like every other race?) 3 - The games were made BEFORE Cryptum. Was the original idea to have Humanity as Forerunners and then 343 thought "lets switch that up a bit and have people like us debate and retcon it ourselves) Away you go [/quote] Wrong, the Prophets of Truth, Mercy, and Regret learns humans were the reclaimers of the Forerunner legacy, not them. That was what would destroy the Covenant belief, that the Prophets were leading them on a holy journey to reclaim the legacy of their gods. Now it's learned that the Forerunners chose a completely different race as the reclaimers, meaning the Prophets would lose their power. Truth did not want to lose his power.[/quote] Nice one for clearing that up for me!
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yep. Didn't you play the forerunner prequel??
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NL Beer Chief is neither a forerunner NOR a Human he's kinda like the terminator[/quote] wat
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dedworth Mean Jumping back in I have a few questions related to this, or points for you lot to argue. 1 - 343 clearly states that you ARE Foreunner 2 - The Prophets of Truth and Mercy recognise Humanity as being Forerunner and therefore eradicating their entire belief system. (If they weren't, what was the issue? Why not meld Humanity into the Covenant like every other race?) 3 - The games were made BEFORE Cryptum. Was the original idea to have Humanity as Forerunners and then 343 thought "lets switch that up a bit and have people like us debate and retcon it ourselves) Away you go [/quote] Wrong, the Prophets of Truth, Mercy, and Regret learns humans were the reclaimers of the Forerunner legacy, not them. That was what would destroy the Covenant belief, that the Prophets were leading them on a holy journey to reclaim the legacy of their gods. Now it's learned that the Forerunners chose a completely different race as the reclaimers, meaning the Prophets would lose their power. Truth did not want to lose his power. [Edited on 04.12.2011 12:49 PM PDT]
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Chief is neither a forerunner NOR a Human he's kinda like the terminator
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArcticMan94 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArcticMan94 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PLUT0NIUM 235 what exactly makes you all think that Forerunner AI can indeed go rampant? is there any real evidence to suggest this, after reading Cryptum with Medicant Bias being missing for 20+ years or something (beyond the lifespan of a normal smart AI), how can that be possible?[/quote] UNSC smart AI have a 7 year lifespan, We have no evidence that ancilla can or can't enter rampancy. But there is always the possibility that Spark wasn't rampant, but just plain crazy.[/quote] People are paraphrasing that horribly, Fall of reach specifically states that UNSC AIs are deleted after 7 years [b]FOR FEAR OF RAMPANCY[/b] they don't go rampant the second they turn 7; Hell if they weren't told that they would go crazy after 7 years they probably wouldn't.[/quote] But we don't know their actual lifespan, so seven years is as close an estimate we can get. But my point on Sparky going crazy still stands.[/quote] Again that is due to them being deleted, Juliana still held control over Rubble well after 7 years. I don't think 343 is "crazy" we just don't fully understand what he is trying to tell us. 343i is going to switch him being "crazy" into him saying something that is going to make our mouths drop.[/quote] Well, I haven't read Cole Protocol, so I wouldn't know. As for Guilty Spark, it's just a theory of mine.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArcticMan94 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArcticMan94 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PLUT0NIUM 235 what exactly makes you all think that Forerunner AI can indeed go rampant? is there any real evidence to suggest this, after reading Cryptum with Medicant Bias being missing for 20+ years or something (beyond the lifespan of a normal smart AI), how can that be possible?[/quote] UNSC smart AI have a 7 year lifespan, We have no evidence that ancilla can or can't enter rampancy. But there is always the possibility that Spark wasn't rampant, but just plain crazy.[/quote] People are paraphrasing that horribly, Fall of reach specifically states that UNSC AIs are deleted after 7 years [b]FOR FEAR OF RAMPANCY[/b] they don't go rampant the second they turn 7; Hell if they weren't told that they would go crazy after 7 years they probably wouldn't.[/quote] But we don't know their actual lifespan, so seven years is as close an estimate we can get. But my point on Sparky going crazy still stands.[/quote] Again that is due to them being deleted, Juliana still held control over Rubble well after 7 years. I don't think 343 is "crazy" we just don't fully understand what he is trying to tell us. 343i is going to switch him being "crazy" into him saying something that is going to make our mouths drop.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArcticMan94 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PLUT0NIUM 235 what exactly makes you all think that Forerunner AI can indeed go rampant? is there any real evidence to suggest this, after reading Cryptum with Medicant Bias being missing for 20+ years or something (beyond the lifespan of a normal smart AI), how can that be possible?[/quote] UNSC smart AI have a 7 year lifespan, We have no evidence that ancilla can or can't enter rampancy. But there is always the possibility that Spark wasn't rampant, but just plain crazy.[/quote] People are paraphrasing that horribly, Fall of reach specifically states that UNSC AIs are deleted after 7 years [b]FOR FEAR OF RAMPANCY[/b] they don't go rampant the second they turn 7; Hell if they weren't told that they would go crazy after 7 years they probably wouldn't.[/quote] But we don't know their actual lifespan, so seven years is as close an estimate we can get. But my point on Sparky going crazy still stands. [Edited on 04.12.2011 10:57 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArcticMan94 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PLUT0NIUM 235 what exactly makes you all think that Forerunner AI can indeed go rampant? is there any real evidence to suggest this, after reading Cryptum with Medicant Bias being missing for 20+ years or something (beyond the lifespan of a normal smart AI), how can that be possible?[/quote] UNSC smart AI have a 7 year lifespan, We have no evidence that ancilla can or can't enter rampancy. But there is always the possibility that Spark wasn't rampant, but just plain crazy.[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArcticMan94 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PLUT0NIUM 235 what exactly makes you all think that Forerunner AI can indeed go rampant? is there any real evidence to suggest this, after reading Cryptum with Medicant Bias being missing for 20+ years or something (beyond the lifespan of a normal smart AI), how can that be possible?[/quote] UNSC smart AI have a 7 year lifespan, We have no evidence that ancilla can or can't enter rampancy. But there is always the possibility that Spark wasn't rampant, but just plain crazy.[/quote] People are paraphrasing that horribly, Fall of reach specifically states that UNSC AIs are deleted after 7 years [b]FOR FEAR OF RAMPANCY[/b] they don't go rampant the second they turn 7; Hell if they weren't told that they would go crazy after 7 years they probably wouldn't.
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that was my thinking too, maybe he was corrupt in some other way than rampancy since nothing ever suggests rampancy in Forerunner AI. hell their 'monitors' are AI that are tasked with protecting and maintaining the Halo Installations, so they can't exactly have a short life-span.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PLUT0NIUM 235 what exactly makes you all think that Forerunner AI can indeed go rampant? is there any real evidence to suggest this, after reading Cryptum with Medicant Bias being missing for 20+ years or something (beyond the lifespan of a normal smart AI), how can that be possible?[/quote] UNSC smart AI have a 7 year lifespan, We have no evidence that ancilla can or can't enter rampancy. But there is always the possibility that Spark wasn't rampant, but just plain crazy.
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what exactly makes you all think that Forerunner AI can indeed go rampant? is there any real evidence to suggest this, after reading Cryptum with Medicant Bias being missing for 20+ years or something (beyond the lifespan of a normal smart AI), how can that be possible?
