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3/28/2011 10:51:36 AM
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How did Johnson, Miranda and Arbiter get back to Earth?
I've always wondered how they got back, seeing as no elite ships were present at the time of the storm. Plus, there were no Human ships around, so how did they get back?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Multijirachi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mutoid Log [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Multijirachi But small Plotholes lead to bigger ones, and here is a bigger one....... How did they drop Johnson and miranda on Earth or even in Africa when Truth's fleet could have shot them down at any minute? Halo has big Plotholes. [/quote]Drop into atmosphere somemwhere else, then have a pelican fly low to Crow's Nest and enter it from the west.[/quote] The covenant had forces across the globe. They would have been shot down by them.[/quote] "Truth could've landed anywhere, but he focused all his forces here, East Africa, near the ruins of New Mombassa." Its clear that there is not plot hole. They just stealthed their way in.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Multijirachi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mutoid Log [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Multijirachi But small Plotholes lead to bigger ones, and here is a bigger one....... How did they drop Johnson and miranda on Earth or even in Africa when Truth's fleet could have shot them down at any minute? Halo has big Plotholes. [/quote]Drop into atmosphere somemwhere else, then have a pelican fly low to Crow's Nest and enter it from the west.[/quote] The covenant had forces across the globe. They would have been shot down by them.[/quote] Depending on when they got back, it could have been after Truth concentrated his remaining forces around the Ark. And even then, most of them seemed to be on the eastern side. It took 13 days to get to Delta Halo, so if it takes about the same time to get back, they could have arrived just one day before Truth arrives at Earth.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] gst353 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] gst353 I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been a short story/novel/comic about this yet, but it's possible that Karen Travis' novel (the GoO parallel) will answer it.[/quote] I don't see why since it is a minor "hole" and the events are post halo 3.[/quote] Ghosts of Onyx takes place between Halo 2 and 3, and the upcoming novel isn't a direct sequel, so it's quite possible that something taking place along the same time frame could be about Johnson/Miranda. Since Blue Team/Halsey and MC's exploits have already been covered by a novel and comics respectively, I think this is really the only thing left to do (other than Grey Team, possibly), and it would be interesting to really go into the details of the truce between the Sangheili and humanity. I haven't read any of Travis's works, but as I understand from what others have said here, she's gone as far as to craft things like extensive vocabularies of alien languages in past works. Seems like this sort of suits her. Then again, so far, none of the past authors have been that well suited to writing the books. The novels have consistently failed to deliver from a character development standpoint, but that's just my opinion.[/quote] From what I've heard Karen Travis pretty much single-handedly developed the most important aspects of the Mandalorians in Star Wars and was the one most responsible for shaping them into the guys we all know and love today. And she wrote the Halo short story Human Weakness, which I have heard [i]very[/i] good things about, so yeah, I trust her abilities as a writer.[/quote] Funfact: George Lucas officially canned her work on the Mandalorians and her writing of the Republic Commando books because it contradicted how they were depicted in his cartoon. -blam!- ing G-Canon... And yes, she is a brilliant author for character. Just read Human Weakness; amazing. And there was no action scenes! It was just a story of how easily the Gravemind can tear into your mind, about as easy as a blowtorch through tissue paper. But I actually think Contact Harvest was another good example of good Halo character devolopment. Joe Statten should've written Halo: Reach.
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Everyone hopped on Johnson's back and he carried them home.
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Oh, your probably talking Halo 2. Rtas probably gave them a ride.
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Completely self explanatory. Thel's is so obvious it's not even funny...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Multijirachi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mutoid Log [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Multijirachi But small Plotholes lead to bigger ones, and here is a bigger one....... How did they drop Johnson and miranda on Earth or even in Africa when Truth's fleet could have shot them down at any minute? Halo has big Plotholes. [/quote]Drop into atmosphere somemwhere else, then have a pelican fly low to Crow's Nest and enter it from the west.[/quote] The covenant had forces across the globe. They would have been shot down by them.[/quote] Just because the Covenant have forces worldwide doesn't mean that they have the forces necessary to enforce a global no fly zone. It would have been pretty easy to fly in as long as the pilot avoided all major areas of covie activity. Also remember that the force at earth was much smaller than it would have been in the Spartans hadn't blown up Unyielding Heirophant during operation: FIRST STRIKE.
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Thats classified soldier.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mutoid Log [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Multijirachi But small Plotholes lead to bigger ones, and here is a bigger one....... How did they drop Johnson and miranda on Earth or even in Africa when Truth's fleet could have shot them down at any minute? Halo has big Plotholes. [/quote]Drop into atmosphere somemwhere else, then have a pelican fly low to Crow's Nest and enter it from the west.[/quote] The covenant had forces across the globe. They would have been shot down by them.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Multijirachi But small Plotholes lead to bigger ones, and here is a bigger one....... How did they drop Johnson and miranda on Earth or even in Africa when Truth's fleet could have shot them down at any minute? Halo has big Plotholes. [/quote]Drop into atmosphere somemwhere else, then have a pelican fly low to Crow's Nest and enter it from the west.
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uhhh, johnson and miranda got killed... the rest made it back through the portal that closed just before the chief made it
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But small Plotholes lead to bigger ones, and here is a bigger one....... How did they drop Johnson and miranda on Earth or even in Africa when Truth's fleet could have shot them down at any minute? Halo has big Plotholes.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] gst353 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] gst353 I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been a short story/novel/comic about this yet, but it's possible that Karen Travis' novel (the GoO parallel) will answer it.[/quote] I don't see why since it is a minor "hole" and the events are post halo 3.[/quote] Ghosts of Onyx takes place between Halo 2 and 3, and the upcoming novel isn't a direct sequel, so it's quite possible that something taking place along the same time frame could be about Johnson/Miranda. Since Blue Team/Halsey and MC's exploits have already been covered by a novel and comics respectively, I think this is really the only thing left to do (other than Grey Team, possibly), and it would be interesting to really go into the details of the truce between the Sangheili and humanity. I haven't read any of Travis's works, but as I understand from what others have said here, she's gone as far as to craft things like extensive vocabularies of alien languages in past works. Seems like this sort of suits her. Then again, so far, none of the past authors have been that well suited to writing the books. The novels have consistently failed to deliver from a character development standpoint, but that's just my opinion.[/quote] From what I've heard Karen Travis pretty much single-handedly developed the most important aspects of the Mandalorians in Star Wars and was the one most responsible for shaping them into the guys we all know and love today. And she wrote the Halo short story Human Weakness, which I have heard [i]very[/i] good things about, so yeah, I trust her abilities as a writer.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] gst353 I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been a short story/novel/comic about this yet, but it's possible that Karen Travis' novel (the GoO parallel) will answer it.[/quote] I don't see why since it is a minor "hole" and the events are post halo 3.[/quote] Ghosts of Onyx takes place between Halo 2 and 3, and the upcoming novel isn't a direct sequel, so it's quite possible that something taking place along the same time frame could be about Johnson/Miranda. Since Blue Team/Halsey and MC's exploits have already been covered by a novel and comics respectively, I think this is really the only thing left to do (other than Grey Team, possibly), and it would be interesting to really go into the details of the truce between the Sangheili and humanity. I haven't read any of Travis's works, but as I understand from what others have said here, she's gone as far as to craft things like extensive vocabularies of alien languages in past works. Seems like this sort of suits her. Then again, so far, none of the past authors have been that well suited to writing the books. The novels have consistently failed to deliver from a character development standpoint, but that's just my opinion.
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If I remember correctly from Ghosts of Onyx, Cortana sent a transmission from High Charity calling for more UNSC ships or something like that, it is possible that Miranda, Johnson, and Arbiter returned on a human ship, or they hitch hiked along the inter galactic space high way :P
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] gst353 I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been a short story/novel/comic about this yet, but it's possible that Karen Travis' novel (the GoO parallel) will answer it.[/quote] I don't see why since it is a minor "hole" and the events are post halo 3. I am assuming that this is about the ending of halo 2? remember when Rtas said he was going to take the cruiser back and then has a cruiser in halo 3? That summed it up for me.
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I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been a short story/novel/comic about this yet, but it's possible that Karen Travis' novel (the GoO parallel) will answer it.
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They had the largest Covenant fleet anyone's ever seen at their disposal. I'm sure they could have taken one puny quick-transit ship to Earth.
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They most likely got a ride back with the Arbiter.
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It's Quite obvious they went through the plot hole back to earth; fun fact: Plot Holes double as effective Wormholes. :p
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Multijirachi BUT they were on Earth prior to the elites arrival. That doesn't make sense, including how Rtas states that him and the others were defending the line of some sort. I dont think they came to Earth prior, as Truth's fleet had an iron fist over the plant, maily africa. SO say if they did hitch a ride with Rtas, why did he suddenly dissappear to defend a line against the Flood outbreak on High Charity, when he had a small fleet of ships fully capable of doing it themselves. Logic reasons e should have remained on Earth and give support to the Humans.[/quote] You have to remember that at this point, the Elites and humans still hated each other. Really the only Elite that may have had a slightly higher respect for humans at this point was the Arbiter, because Johnson helped him kill Tartarus. The Elites' priority was fighting the Flood and looking for Cortana, who could single handedly end the war. They just let humanity deal with Truth; Flood>>Covenant, and humans aren't exactley good at fighting the Flood. Therefore, Rtas dropped the surviving humans of Halo 05 off at Earth, then sped off to High Charity to lead his fleet against the infection. Once the infection reached Earth, THEN they decided to help out. Really it seems as if the Elites were unconcerned about the battle of earth until the Flood arived. Ever notice how the fleet didn't show up at Earth until the level Floodgate? [Edited on 03.28.2011 7:45 AM PDT]
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it is not nesesarily a plot hole, just a part of the story that has not been explained. Chances are, the hiched aride on the Shadow of Intent and got back to earth with Rtas
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The other Elites picked them up. A quote from the final mission of Halo 2: [i]"The Brutes control that cruiser Arbiter! I'll stay here, make sure no reinforcements get in behind you! Then, we'll take the cruiser back!"[/i] - Rtas Vadam Perhaps after Arbiter killed Tartarus the Elites picked them up and they all went back to Earth. Perhaps the Elites were engaging Truth's fleets in orbit while the humans dealt with ground forces (until of course The Flood showed up)
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It's left to the imagination because it's not an important plot point.
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Most likely they used the [i]shadow of intent[/i], Rtas 'Vadum wouldn't have left his carrier unmanned, the Arbiter, Miranda and Johnson were probably picked up and taken to Earth to chase truth.
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I'm sure that the Arbiter, being the highest ranked Elite of them all (religiously at least) would have easily been able to commandeer a frigate to take to Earth.
