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3/27/2011 1:05:58 AM
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How can anyone think that this is fine?
[b]Number of people who didn't fully comprehend the OP: 18.[/b]
Armour lock is an [i]absolute counter[/i] to the sword.
Here's the scenario: I have a sword, and I lunge at you. You armour-lock, taking out my shields and stunning me, and then you pop out and pummel me.
I've done nothing wrong. I've simply used the sword the only way it can be used. Despite this, any competent armour-locker (Lol oxymoron) can kill me with ease.
There is [i]no way I can prevent this,[/i] save not using the sword at all.
How is that [i]fine?[/i] How is that [i]balanced?[/i]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8x0-DFi5Jg]Proof.[/url]
[Edited on 04.15.2011 1:56 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonOfTheShire Armour lock is an [i]absolute counter[/i] to the sword. [/quote] No argument
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AL is broken. Wouldn't mind it if they just fixed that beatdown nonsense? You shouldn't be able to beatdown lock emo beatdown so fast. It's really lazy of Bungie.
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We should all spawn with swords to make AL acceptable in this game.
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So armor lock is overpowered because it can stop someone from using a 1 hit kill weapon? hmmm
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KRUSHER Z It's fine.[/quote] By all means, elaborate.
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It's fine.
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yes they can counter you with AL, but that is their only weapon, that doesnt require incredible skill or luck, like sword block. Plus if you dont have the element of surprise, most AL users will come out victrorius in close combat.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pigsinspace38 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pjonesy1tf [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pigsinspace38 don't stand there waiting for him like an idiot, find someone else to slaughter. /thread.[/quote]Are you high, or just stupid? You don't have to stay in armour lock for the full six seconds. He could literally be in AL for a [i]fraction of a second[/i], and the same effect is achieved. '/thread' [b]that[/b], dipstick.[/quote] a little of both, im reckon? well, that NEVER works for me. and that only happens to me like 1/20th of the times i encounter AL users. childish namecalling will get you nowhere in life, friend.[/quote] You don't make up the whole population. just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it barely happens. You're a moron, 'friend'. [Edited on 04.04.2011 5:20 PM PDT]
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Let's make a list of what each AA can do, along with it's drawbacks. Sprint -Run fast -Cannot attack, strafe, or backpedal Evade -Quickly move a fixed distance -Cannot change direction -Cannot attack Jet Pack -Enhanced jump (control hight and change direction) -Can attack -Predictable flightpath Camo -Invisible when still or slow moving -Jams enemy radar -Jams own radar -Cannot hear -Cannot attack without revealing yourself Drop Shield -Heals -Blocks all weapons -Vehicles can drive through -players can walk through Hologram -Creates a copy of yourself to distract enemies -Cannot attack -cannot change direction -a trained eye can spot one easily Armour Lock -Invincible -Frosting -Flips and possible destroys vehicles -EMPs those in close range or in the process of a melee -Can turn around nearly instantly -360 degree camera -Cannot move -Cannot use in air You can't honestly think this is fair simply because I can use it too.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Conster 110 if you can't beat them, join them.[/quote] By that logic you should be complaining about armour lock. I'm merely stating that armour lock is not fine, like many people seem to think so. Reach is a good game, but it is in no way perfect.
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[quote] Man I give up on the reach forum, it's od'd on armour lock threads. I;ve killed plent yof armour lockers with a sword...you moan too much, move on [/quote] I know what you mean, the Flood are all over this forum now, and I've given up. A good percentage of the threads on the Reach forum are about AL, people need to realize after all of this time, it isn't going to change. People need to learnt he phrase if you can't beat them, join them. If you can't kill against AL and cry about it use it against them and do whatever you want, just please, if any AL ragers see this post please try to stop crying about it on the Reach forum...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bo ace 23 v [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonOfTheShire [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pigsinspace38 don't stand there waiting for him like an idiot, find someone else to slaughter. /thread.[/quote] Perhaps you weren't paying attention. I lunge, he locks, I get EMP'd, I die. There's no waiting around involved. [/quote]the emp isnt in affect until 5 seconds unless your very very close to him.[/quote] If you melee someone in armour lock, you get EMP'd.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonOfTheShire [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pigsinspace38 don't stand there waiting for him like an idiot, find someone else to slaughter. /thread.[/quote] Perhaps you weren't paying attention. I lunge, he locks, I get EMP'd, I die. There's no waiting around involved. [/quote]the emp isnt in affect until 5 seconds unless your very very close to him.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonOfTheShire [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VahnTitrio If someone armors locks while you have the sword, it sounds stupid but just stand as close to possible to them and press melee over and over again. The armor locker will inevitably come out and try to melee you, but being that you have a sword they simply die trying. I used to back up but have found this to be far more effective.[/quote] You're right, that does sound stupid. Considering the stunning effect and shield loss that occurs from melee'ing an active armour-locker, I doubt that that would work.[/quote] Try it, works almost every time.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VahnTitrio If someone armors locks while you have the sword, it sounds stupid but just stand as close to possible to them and press melee over and over again. The armor locker will inevitably come out and try to melee you, but being that you have a sword they simply die trying. I used to back up but have found this to be far more effective.[/quote] You're right, that does sound stupid. Considering the stunning effect and shield loss that occurs from melee'ing an active armour-locker, I doubt that that would work.
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If someone armors locks while you have the sword, it sounds stupid but just stand as close as possible to them and press melee over and over again. The armor locker will inevitably come out and try to melee you, but being that you have a sword they simply die trying. I used to back up but have found this to be far more effective. [Edited on 03.27.2011 1:48 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aurora Wolf [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StarScream144 Balanced? A one-hit kill weapon is balanced?[/quote]This is actually very true and also answers people's questions about why there is sword blocking in REACH.[/quote] Right, so we should add blocking to all one hit weapons because they are unbalanced? We should be able to grab sniper bullets out of the air before they hit us, we should be able to swat rockets away. Those are one hit kill weapons. They are balanced because each team has an equal chance of obtaining said weapons. Armor lock removes that balance, as well as sword block. I've never seen threads complaining about being killed by one hit weapons, why? Because they are a power weapon for a reason.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Heir schneidelvi stop complaining it happens to everyone and i am sure you do something like that to piss other people off as well.[/quote] That's irrelevant. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bolomite jr How about not complaining about every little thing. Don't run straight at a person with the sword because it can rarely work, especially if they have armor lock, learn to play halo[/quote] Who said anything about running straight at them? If I walk round a corner and attack them, the result is the same. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bolomite jr [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 Armor lock is perfect. There is nothing wrong with it. Anyone could counter it. [/quote] Exactly. It is perfect, use a gun not the sword if he has armor lock[/quote] Lol.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zaltyre [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonOfTheShire [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zaltyre How's about don't lunge at someone who looks like he's waiting to EMP you? If he doesn't see you coming, he won't AL. If he sees you coming, use your head.[/quote] He has a radar. [/quote] Right, but his radar doesn't say, "guy's gonna kill you with a sword!!"[/quote] Often, a Sword user will be sprinting. If I see on my motion sensor a fast moving dot approaching and NOT shooting me already, I can work out that he/she has a Sword. Click Left Bumper, spin, melee, now it's my Sword. Unbalanced.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iiiFloppyPhoenix [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonOfTheShire [b]Number of people who didn't fully comprehend the OP: 14.[/b] Armour lock is an [i]absolute counter[/i] to the sword. Here's the scenario: I have a sword, and I lunge at you. You armour-lock, taking out my shields and stunning me, and then you pop out and pummel me. I've done nothing wrong. I've simply used the sword the only way it can be used. Despite this, any competent armour-locker (Lol oxymoron) can kill me with ease. There is [i]no way I can prevent this,[/i] save not using the sword at all. How is that [i]fine?[/i] How is that [i]balanced?[/i][/quote] You're right, it is an absolute counter. But it [i]is[/i] balanced. The Armor Locker in question was probably thinking the same thing: "[i]An opponent with a sword keeps killing me. I'm defenseless, as he holds a one-hit kill in his hands. How is this balanced?[/i]" Well, he/she probably did think that, which is why they picked AL on their next respawn. See where I'm getting at?[/quote] The difference between someone who worked for a PW and someone who died and got something better as consolation. We should reward [i]who[/i] again?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tsujen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonOfTheShire There is [i]no way I can prevent this,[/i] save not using the sword at all. How is that [i]fine?[/i] How is that [i]balanced?[/i][/quote] You can use armor lock to. That is how it's balanced, because you chose not to use it, is not our fault. [/quote] No, that's how it's fair. Balanced would mean that it would provide the same amount of advantages and disadvantages as all the other AAs. However, it does a lot more than that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Onagiro [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 11576 Is it just me or did the Bungie community suddenly some up with a new way to spell "armor" because I've been seeing people spelling it as "armour". Last time I checked that's not a word. Just sayin.[/quote] Somebody not familiar how British and American spelling differs? For example, in British English it's spelled Armour and color is spelt Colour.[/quote] Ohhh thank you, I was not aware of this.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonOfTheShire [b]Number of people who didn't fully comprehend the OP: 14.[/b] Armour lock is an [i]absolute counter[/i] to the sword. Here's the scenario: I have a sword, and I lunge at you. You armour-lock, taking out my shields and stunning me, and then you pop out and pummel me. I've done nothing wrong. I've simply used the sword the only way it can be used. Despite this, any competent armour-locker (Lol oxymoron) can kill me with ease. There is [i]no way I can prevent this,[/i] save not using the sword at all. How is that [i]fine?[/i] How is that [i]balanced?[/i][/quote] You're right, it is an absolute counter. But it [i]is[/i] balanced. The Armor Locker in question was probably thinking the same thing: "[i]An opponent with a sword keeps killing me. I'm defenseless, as he holds a one-hit kill in his hands. How is this balanced?[/i]" Well, he/she probably did think that, which is why they picked AL on their next respawn. See where I'm getting at?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 11576 Is it just me or did the Bungie community suddenly some up with a new way to spell "armor" because I've been seeing people spelling it as "armour". Last time I checked that's not a word. Just sayin.[/quote] Somebody not familiar how British and American spelling differs? For example, in British English it's spelled Armour and color is spelt Colour.
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Is it just me or did the Bungie community suddenly some up with a new way to spell "armor" because I've been seeing people spelling it as "armour". Last time I checked that's not a word. Just sayin.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bolomite jr [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 Armor lock is perfect. There is nothing wrong with it. Anyone could counter it. [/quote] Exactly. It is perfect, use a gun not the sword if he has armor lock[/quote] Which would be fine if you knew he has Armour Lock beforehand. However if you're the first one to encounter this particular enemy you will be punished for acting as you should with a melee weapon. Armour Lock should be a pickup, not a spawn ability.
