If you read a lot of science fiction (like I used to), you'll have seen most of the story elements in Halo represented in many old sci-fi novels. Most of the themes are pretty much sci-fi standards (at least, in novel form - sci-fi movies haven't covered all of the sci-fi novel standards). The "old mysterious race" that used to rule the galaxy but died off, the hyper religious race that is bent on domination, a super weapon that can kill worlds, an ancient alien artifact found on earth, etc, etc. I'm sure things are "borrowed" from some books more than others, but it's certainly nothing mind-blowing to note that some elements came from some story you once read. Of course, I can see connecting it to Ringworld, for the obvious reasons. I guess I'm saying that I wouldn't rely too heavily on the plot of the four Ringworld novels to extrapolate what is going to happen in H3.

Halo is based a little on Ringworld... But you should also take note that Bungie borrowed QUITE A BIT from another book called "Starhammer". Actually the storylines are familiar enough to make me think I'd bought a Halo book instead. Sure there are key differences in the storyline.... But the monitor is there, the Flood are there, the Covenant are there (or at least fanatical religious aliens bent on taking everything over), the way the AI is, is there, how the conflict with the Flood and the Forerunners came about... I mean, it IS all there... I infer much more from the game series by reading through that single book than anything else...

I'm not saying that bungie ripped off Larry Niven Im just trying to give you evedince for the theory I have on halo 3. As for the ringworld killing thing, at the end of the second book when they stabalize ring world they use the rings own defense eystem to literaly shoot it into place killing off the grass giants and the red carnivores. I would also like to point out that though there are only four ring world books there are many more that are inderectly connected to ths series such as the man-kzin wars series, ARM series, and neutron star. I would like to thank you for pointing ou the flaws in my theory [Edited on 5/14/2006]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hydr8 How about Ache? you guys flame to much at this site. Plus all science fiction is based on someone elses ideas, to say that halo is any less good because someone based some parts on Ringworld is rude. That might not be your intention and if it isnt you should probably clear it up.[/quote] This isn't flaming. Flaming is a comment with the intent of demeaning another person. Last time I checked, we were having an intelligent discussion about different yet similar stories. I don't think that anyone was saying anything disgraceful towards Bungie's game, at least I didn't. Heck, I love the Halo story, if or if not based off of some other ideas.

How about Ache? you guys flame to much at this site. Plus all science fiction is based on someone elses ideas, to say that halo is any less good because someone based some parts on Ringworld is rude. That might not be your intention and if it isnt you should probably clear it up.

Halo borrows from a lot of different source materials. Every videogame or movie does. Bungie had the entire history of Halo written up starting from present day all the way past the events of Halo. They don't steal from other sources.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sir eatalot [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Twinfire0 Eh, spelling is irrelevant. But I do know that arc (or ark) and arch are two different things. Oh, and I know that the "Ark" in Halo is not spelled arch because ark has a hard "c" sound (as in cat) as opposed to a "ch" sound, like "chair."[/quote] somtimes "ch" makes a hard c sound like in achne[/quote] You mean acne, right? Like pimples? Yeah, I sort of had a hard time reading what you were trying to say sometimes. Use a spellcheck before you post, just to clear up any confusion.

Anyone who has read the Halo books is well aquainted with the engineers so here's my contribution. In a book by the same author of the Ringworld series, Larry Niven, a book called, A Mote in God's Eye. This book has one peice of information that I found interesting. An alien race in that book had geneticly modified themselves to make different castes withing their culture. One of these was a worker that could fix anything, modify technology it had no previous experience with before, and is dumb as a rock in everything else. It sounds alot like the covanant engineer to me. It also metions a warrior species, a ruling caste, and many other similarites to the covenant. I think someone at bungie is a very big fan of Larry Niven, not just the Ringworld Books.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Twinfire0 Eh, spelling is irrelevant. But I do know that arc (or ark) and arch are two different things. Oh, and I know that the "Ark" in Halo is not spelled arch because ark has a hard "c" sound (as in cat) as opposed to a "ch" sound, like "chair."[/quote] somtimes "ch" makes a hard c sound like in achne

Because it is where you activate the rings from and contain the Flood. As in the Ark Noah used against the Flood in the Bible.

Eh, spelling is irrelevant. But I do know that arc (or ark) and arch are two different things. Oh, and I know that the "Ark" in Halo is not spelled arch because ark has a hard "c" sound (as in cat) as opposed to a "ch" sound, like "chair." [Edited on 5/14/2006]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Twinfire0 Err... The "ark" from Ringworld is actually the "Arch," and its the Ringworld seen from the inner surface, not from underneath. It's basically when you look straight up on Halo. It looks like you're standing under an enormous arch. Ark and arch don't really seem to have any relevancy to each other, so I don't really see how you connected the two.[/quote] my bad, but how do we even know that the ark in halo is spelled "ark" it might be spelt arc or arch.

what happened in the sequal

Err... The "ark" from Ringworld is actually the "Arch," and its the Ringworld seen from the inner surface, not from underneath. It's basically when you look straight up on Halo. It looks like you're standing under an enormous arch. Ark and arch don't really seem to have any relevancy to each other, so I don't really see how you connected the two. Edit: Also, I don't see how you extrapolated the "killing" part of Ringworld. I've read the first three (out of four) Ringworld books, and nothing is said about killing entire species. [Edited on 5/14/2006]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GameJunkieJim Except you have a HUGe differential in scale between the Halo ring and the Niven ring. The Halo ring is tiny by comparison. The Niven ring encircles a star. And...doesn't like, kill things.[/quote] its the same basic idea. and it does so kill things if you ever read the sequal you would know that.

wow dude thats awsome, I will post on h2f [Edited on 5/14/2006]

good job, bring this to light and with evidence. using these books can you predict anything good about Halo3? also do the books have a character like MC? that would be cool

this also explains why only humans can operate halo.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Storm 59 Bungie said they were verry effected by Dyson Spheres in their Sci-Fi work. Halo is simply a ring formation of a Dyson Sphere thats compeletely conected, and not around a sun/star. The relic. IMHO, is sortof like a Dyson Spere, just compacted... [/quote] In the book Ringworld is compared to a Dyson sphere

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sir eatalot For those of You who don"t know Ringworld was a book written in the 1980's about an expedition to explore a giant ring world. Up untill now the only similarities between halo and Ringworld is the fact that they both have Ring worlds in them, but the big forunner structure on earth hints to a more ringworld inspired plot line. In Ringworlds sequal "Ringworld Engineres" They find out that the Ring World was built by a species called The Pak, in our case the forunner. Another book in the series called "Protector" says that the Pak are the ancesters of humans and colinated earth millions of years ago (explaining the big structure in the big structure in Africa.) now your'e thinking why there aren't any records of the forruner living on earth. well the pak lived in three stages, child, breeder and protector. pak aren't inteligent untill they reach the protector stage (around 40 years old) The protectors needed a special crop in order to stay alive, but it wouldn't grow on earth, so they all died out. breeders also needed the crop to asend into protectorship so only the unintelligent breeders remained. The book also suggests that the pak colony was in africa wich is why thats where the structure is, Knoowing all this I have come up with a possible plot for halo 3. The covenent discover that humans are whats left of the forruner, but the profits say that the evidence is just the humans trying to get thecovent to stop trying to kill them. This further divides th covenent leaving only brutes and prophets. The rest of the game is a race to get to the ark. believe it or not the ark is also in ringworld. in the book the ark is the ringworld from seen below. knowing this I think that when guilty spark said that the ark wasn't on halo he actually ment the ark wasn't in the building they were in. as for the gravmind, I have no idea how he fits in if any body has any ideas please post them. [/quote] Bungie said they were verry effected by Dyson Spheres in their Sci-Fi work. Halo is simply a ring formation of a Dyson Sphere thats compeletely conected, and not around a sun/star. The relic. IMHO, is sortof like a Dyson Spere, just compacted... I've posted this elsewhere anyway on another fourm, and cant be botehred going into depth here but meh. Thats basicaly what I think. Also, Halo is filled with Biblical references. The ark is said to be in Africa or there abouts. Basically most things are links to the Bible. *Think*.

Yep, and Halo itself looks like a direct clone.

it is and isnt based on Nivens work. Bungie made a statement some time ago that they got thier main "halo" idea from Niven and even tryed to get him to write the books but he declined. but almost all of it was Bungies work cept for the Ring and the worshiping of the Forerunner's 'Pak' Good post thou.

Seriously a great post dude! I am not sure whether i believe it but at least you have evidence (unlike some iof theories here)