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Would the humans have won the Human-Covenant war without Master Chief?
Would the humans have won the Human-Covenant war without Master Chief? and Noble Team?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Metroidman42 Without the events that Noble was involved in Master Chief / PoA wouldnt have found Halo, the Flood, and killed Truth[/quote] That is completely besides the point of the thread. I'm surprised no one has decided to mention Dr Halsey since she is about as relevant to the question. Halsey made the spartans, therefore blah blah blah. Obviously a whole slew of people were necessary in the grand scheme of things, but for master chiefs part specifically, without him it would be impossible.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kuki256 No. Have you seen the AIs drive? Noble Team? Have you seen Kat drive?[/quote] In game A.I. =/= character / canon btw
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Without the events that Noble was involved in Master Chief / PoA wouldnt have found Halo, the Flood, and killed Truth
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Yes and no. We could have won without the Chief, but without Nobel team we wouldn't have been able to win. Also weren't there Covenant that turned and helped us?
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[quote][b]Posted By:[/b] Naked Crook Yes...we would have lost without Mister Chief[/quote] Hee, Mister Chief XD That guy is funny looking, lol, gotta love Mister Chief and his lightsaber :P Anyhoo, on topic. No, Humanity would have lost badly had it not been for Chief, he is the whole reason that the events that won the war unfolded. Yes, he had some help along the way, Noble Team, Cortana, Halsey, Arbiter, and a whole schlew of other people too many to name, but ultimately it was all Chief's doing that ended the war in victory for the UNSC.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wazooty As for kat, I stick by the idea that personal shields cannot exist unless they cover the whole body, so when kats helemt was off, her shields were down. The time between her putting the helmet back on and her death was not long enough for the shields to regen...or something.[/quote] Exactly! People don't give Noble Team enough credit.
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Masterchief blew up the Alpha Halo, which thus shamed Thel Vadam' and put him in the position of The Arbiter. Masterchief killed Regret which consolidated The Covenant Hierarchy, and gave The Prophet of Truth a reason to replace The Sangheili with the Jiralhanae, thus leading to The Great Schism. The Flood also killed Mercy, which gave Truth more power over The Covenant. The same Flood that was released as a result of warfare on Installation 05. The support of The Seperatists were instrumental in destroying both The Flood on Earth, which attacked unprepared soldiers (as seen by the suicidal Marine) and decimated Truth's Fleet (something that The UNSC Home Fleet could not do alone) All of this lead all the way back to The Chiefs destruction of Halo.
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As for kat, I stick by the idea that personal shields cannot exist unless they cover the whole body, so when kats helemt was off, her shields were down. The time between her putting the helmet back on and her death was not long enough for the shields to regen...or something.
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The covenant serparatists only exist because MC blew up a halo ring. The great ultimate game changing device Dr Halsey talks about is halo. And change the game it did. if MC and cortana were not aboard the POA, they would not have figured out halos secrets and eventually blown it up. If they hadnt blown it up the covenant probably would of activated it by the beginning of halo 2. And short of that, the arbiter would still be supreme commander of the fleet of particular justice, and earth would of been obliterated.
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Chief > Noble losers Yes...we would have lost without Mister Chief
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Without Cheif or the Sangheili the humans would have lost.
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no chief= pillar of Autumn crew gets killed on halo,all life ends at halo 1. no noble team= pillar of autumn dosn't even escape reach=no master chief
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No. Have you seen the AIs drive? Noble Team? Have you seen Kat drive?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ktan Dantaktee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 Let's hope Kat doesn't run into a needle rifle.[/quote] And a nuclear blast that EMPs her suit's shielding. If Kat had had some situational awareness, Carter used the Pelican's missiles and nose gun, and Emile looked at his Motion Tracker, then one of them could have stayed behind with a Jet Pack and all of them could have gone to the PoA, because 6 is the one equal of Chief, so him plus three other Spartans, Halo would have been destroyed a lot faster.[/quote] Doesn't make sense if it was an EMP. Otherwise the elevator, armor lights, and KAT's pad thing wouldn't be working.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caaaarrrl ^ Maybe it's because almost all of the Companies were killed on their first missions against the Covenant.[/quote] Yeah, but people tend to think that it was like, oh yeah they arrived and instantly got killed. The truth is, they gave a fight. Alpha Company lasted 7 days in the Covenant Factory thing before a giant countermeasure attack was sent, which according to the book consisted of thousands of Elites, Jackals and the likes.[/quote] And they were later bombarded by heavy plasma rounds and glassed. The IIIs also had SPI, a piece of crap suit with no shielding and melts when plasma hits it. They would be in severe pain with 3rd degree burns, wearing steaming hot armor and being pushed to the limit.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 Let's hope Kat doesn't run into a needle rifle.[/quote] And a nuclear blast that EMPs her suit's shielding. If Kat had had some situational awareness, Carter used the Pelican's missiles and nose gun, and Emile looked at his Motion Tracker, then one of them could have stayed behind with a Jet Pack and all of them could have gone to the PoA, because 6 is the one equal of Chief, so him plus three other Spartans, Halo would have been destroyed a lot faster.
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heeeeeeeeelllllll to da noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caaaarrrl ^ Maybe it's because almost all of the Companies were killed on their first missions against the Covenant.[/quote] Alpha Company went deep behind enemy lines with no support of any kind. They were there for several days whilst all the time they were being attacked by an enemy with superior numbers which eventually culminated in an attack from a massive counterforce. They still got the job done whilst undergoing this. Beta were glassed by Seraphs and had the unfortune of having several Covenant cruisers there to offer backup to the Refinery. That is also where the Seraphs themselves came from. They were not counting on reinforcements being there before the attack began. Regardless, the job was done. This was done without Shields, Mjolnir reactive circuitry and AI's.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caaaarrrl ^ Maybe it's because almost all of the Companies were killed on their first missions against the Covenant.[/quote] Yeah, but people tend to think that it was like, oh yeah they arrived and instantly got killed. The truth is, they gave a fight. Alpha Company lasted 7 days in the Covenant Factory thing before a giant countermeasure attack was sent, which according to the book consisted of thousands of Elites, Jackals and the likes.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sierra 1993DJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tibetz Depends. If the chief didn't exist, it is entirely plausible that another of the Spartan's would have taken his place.[/quote] He was the most awesome Spartan. For most of the story he had the highest rank over all other Spartan IIs, and was the Spartan II leader. I am not sure one of the other Spartans could have suceeded. Actually, pretty much all the other still existing Spartans had failed a massive mission just before Halo 1 began, and the Spartan IIIs mostly just sucked. Noble Team were a rare case of awesome Spartan IIIs but even altogether they couldn't match the Cheif.[/quote] False, Kurt is a higher rank and went down as a hero saving the remaining Spartan II's and creating the Spartan III's. Chief is a fighter, Kurt is a trainer, and fighter.
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^ Maybe it's because almost all of the Companies were killed on their first missions against the Covenant.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sierra 1993DJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tibetz Depends. If the chief didn't exist, it is entirely plausible that another of the Spartan's would have taken his place.[/quote] He was the most awesome Spartan. For most of the story he had the highest rank over all other Spartan IIs, and was the Spartan II leader. I am not sure one of the other Spartans could have suceeded. Actually, pretty much all the other still existing Spartans had failed a massive mission just before Halo 1 began, and the Spartan IIIs mostly just sucked. Noble Team were a rare case of awesome Spartan IIIs but even altogether they couldn't match the Cheif.[/quote] What can anyone do when they are glassed by several Covenant Cruisers? A few of the II's were injured as well prior to that by a high altitude fall. How did the III's suck?[/quote] He must think that their lack of MJOLNIR made them sucky.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sierra 1993DJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tibetz Depends. If the chief didn't exist, it is entirely plausible that another of the Spartan's would have taken his place.[/quote] He was the most awesome Spartan. For most of the story he had the highest rank over all other Spartan IIs, and was the Spartan II leader. I am not sure one of the other Spartans could have suceeded. Actually, pretty much all the other still existing Spartans had failed a massive mission just before Halo 1 began, and the Spartan IIIs mostly just sucked. Noble Team were a rare case of awesome Spartan IIIs but even altogether they couldn't match the Cheif.[/quote] What can anyone do when they are glassed by several Covenant Cruisers? A few of the II's were injured as well prior to that by a high altitude fall. How did the III's suck?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II Covenant Separtists /Thread[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sierra 1993DJC [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tibetz Depends. If the chief didn't exist, it is entirely plausible that another of the Spartan's would have taken his place.[/quote] He was the most awesome Spartan. For most of the story he had the highest rank over all other Spartan IIs, and was the Spartan II leader. I am not sure one of the other Spartans could have suceeded. Actually, pretty much all the other still existing Spartans had failed a massive mission just before Halo 1 began, and the [b]Spartan IIIs mostly just sucked.[/b] Noble Team were a rare case of awesome Spartan IIIs but even altogether they couldn't match the Cheif.[/quote] At least Spartan IIIs didn't rely on superior technology to get the job done.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] matman25402 The only reason the Covenant didn't kill everything ever is because the sangheili decided to switch sides.[/quote]Pretty much. That and the flood coming to Earth.
