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2/22/2011 11:32:43 AM
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Warhammer 40k Universe V.S. Halo Universe
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Bump for later ?
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1 ReplyBut umm. If you watched at least like 5 minutes of halo legends or listened to the story line in the game, you would know that halo is a weapon of mass destruction that depletes the whole universe of life, so i'd like to see warhammer beat that, so yeah....
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1 Reply[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] rst7503 yeah, but it still doesn't mean the Precursors can make themselves emotionless and soulless. Basically those are the only ways to prevent demons and the Chaos God from manifesting. The exception to this is the Emperor of Mankind, who is essentially a Immaterial God in a human body in the Material realm. I mean, he is the incarnation of all the souls of human psychic potential of pre-history. What I meant by the Necrons being too different from the Precursors was not that they lacked a conscious, but that they lacked their soul identity, with being the object that gives individuality and emotions. Necrons had souls, but once they became necrons, that soul basically got reduced to little more than a primal life force. That enables their ability to survive the Halos and their distinction from the Precursors. The Precursors are too god-like for their own good.[/quote] I compared the conscious mind to the soul, perhaps I should've been more clear. What I mean to say is that the Precursors operated on a cosmic clock called Living Time, life's time of interaction with the cosmoes. Consciousness and the universe are one in Halo. The Necrons would need to be feral and have not the slightest inch of conscious thought to survive a Neural Weapon. Still, its always tricky when you compare God races. Chaos Gods are invincible unless the emotions of the material world are corrupted or destroyed somehow. Precursors are invincible to...well to everything except a Neural Weapon. The only way 40K could defeat the Precursors is if they had a Neural Weapon, which no other universe except Halo has, so that's not possible (unless the Tyranids hijack technology like the Flood of course). And the only way Halo can defeat the Chaos Gods is if they sterilized the 40K universe of emotions. Of the two, which is most likely to happen? 40K with a weapon outside of their control, or Halo wiping out all life in the 40K universe? @Hotshot Yes, indeed. Ground battles usually end in Halo's favor, its just space battles are a little trickier.[/quote] Forerunner ground troops are the strongest i ever saw in sciencefiction :)
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At this point, I'm thinking the whole argument boils down to Precursor v. Chaos Gods and C'tan Star Gods. C'tan Star Gods make their own laws of physics, allowing them to potentially permanently separate dimensions of the universe from one another, not to mention that they love to feed on the life-essence of mortal forces Chaos Gods are outside of the laws of physics, given their emotional and supernatural basis Precursors are too ingrained into the universe to remove them. Perhaps it's best if we just leave this as a tie. We should leave ground battles as a tie, as well. Neither the full extent of Forerunner capabilities, nor have the full extent of Necron capabilities have not been revealed. In addition, the location of the battle is also important. For example, if the ground battle was located in an area of space where the dimensional boundaries between the Material and Immaterial realm was weak, Warhammer 40K would win because the Forerunners would be susceptible to more frequent demonic possessions, as well as the demonic maladies that may occur, such as Nurgle's Destroyer Plague PS, the Warhammer 40K is in the future argument does not hold because the War in Heaven between the Old Ones and C'tan/ Necrons and the birth of the Chaos Gods occurred far past in ancient history, and is equivalent to the Forerunner/Precursor conflict [Edited on 02.26.2011 10:11 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Magna117 I guess the whole basis of the question is flawed because the two are incomparable really. But Halo still wins. They have Emile.[/quote] lulz. But yeah, the basis in vs debates usually are flawed, but they're fun to imagine ('till the fanboys show up and defy logic). Someone should make a game of this, like for real. Put in Warhammer, Star Wars/Trek/Gate/Craft Battlestar Galactica, Halo, and anything else you can think of, give it a Battlefield or Battlefront twist and you have an epic game.[/quote] Very true.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Magna117 I guess the whole basis of the question is flawed because the two are incomparable really. But Halo still wins. They have Emile.[/quote] lulz. But yeah, the basis in vs debates usually are flawed, but they're fun to imagine ('till the fanboys show up and defy logic). Someone should make a game of this, like for real. Put in Warhammer, Star Wars/Trek/Gate/Craft Battlestar Galactica, Halo, and anything else you can think of, give it a Battlefield or Battlefront twist and you have an epic game.
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I guess the whole basis of the question is flawed because the two are incomparable really. But Halo still wins. They have Emile.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] rst7503 yeah, but it still doesn't mean the Precursors can make themselves emotionless and soulless. Basically those are the only ways to prevent demons and the Chaos God from manifesting. The exception to this is the Emperor of Mankind, who is essentially a Immaterial God in a human body in the Material realm. I mean, he is the incarnation of all the souls of human psychic potential of pre-history. What I meant by the Necrons being too different from the Precursors was not that they lacked a conscious, but that they lacked their soul identity, with being the object that gives individuality and emotions. Necrons had souls, but once they became necrons, that soul basically got reduced to little more than a primal life force. That enables their ability to survive the Halos and their distinction from the Precursors. The Precursors are too god-like for their own good.[/quote] I compared the conscious mind to the soul, perhaps I should've been more clear. What I mean to say is that the Precursors operated on a cosmic clock called Living Time, life's time of interaction with the cosmoes. Consciousness and the universe are one in Halo. The Necrons would need to be feral and have not the slightest inch of conscious thought to survive a Neural Weapon. Still, its always tricky when you compare God races. Chaos Gods are invincible unless the emotions of the material world are corrupted or destroyed somehow. Precursors are invincible to...well to everything except a Neural Weapon. The only way 40K could defeat the Precursors is if they had a Neural Weapon, which no other universe except Halo has, so that's not possible (unless the Tyranids hijack technology like the Flood of course). And the only way Halo can defeat the Chaos Gods is if they sterilized the 40K universe of emotions. Of the two, which is most likely to happen? 40K with a weapon outside of their control, or Halo wiping out all life in the 40K universe? @Hotshot Yes, indeed. Ground battles usually end in Halo's favor, its just space battles are a little trickier. [Edited on 02.26.2011 7:29 AM PST]
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People say warhammer is overpowered on ground but wait till they see the Forerunners on ground :)
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yeah, but it still doesn't mean the Precursors can make themselves emotionless and soulless. Basically those are the only ways to prevent demons and the Chaos God from manifesting. The exception to this is the Emperor of Mankind, who is essentially a Immaterial God in a human body in the Material realm. I mean, he is the incarnation of all the souls of human psychic potential of pre-history. What I meant by the Necrons being too different from the Precursors was not that they lacked a conscious, but that they lacked their soul identity, with being the object that gives individuality and emotions. Necrons had souls, but once they became necrons, that soul basically got reduced to little more than a primal life force. That enables their ability to survive the Halos and their distinction from the Precursors. The Precursors are too god-like for their own good. [Edited on 02.26.2011 12:18 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] rst7503 It is impossible to eliminate the Chaos Gods without eliminating the Precursors, unless the Precursors somehow found a way to make themselves emotionless. It is true that the Chaos Gods have a consciousness, but they are in reality only a manifestation of the amalgamation of the interactions of consciousnesses from the real world. As long as emotion exists in the real world, a Chaos God can always be born and reborn. It is actually somewhat similar to how a Flood Gravemind can be reconstructed over the aeons. The only difference is that the Gravemind is built from Flood matter and the Chaos Gods are built from raw emotion. Essentially, the Precursors would have to kill themselves to kill the Chaos Gods. This means Halo automatically cannot win. However, it does not mean that Warhammer 40K automatically cannot win. Chaos Gods can force themselves into the consciousness of any being, willing or unwilling, except for those that do not have an emotional footprint, such as the Necrons. But it is quite improbable that the Precursors could ever become like the Necrons.[/quote]Well lets just see a Precursor did survive an activation of Halo on the planet he was on... soo I don't know but it seems like they can survive it. This just goes with that guys post on how halo goes after conscious beings [Edited on 02.25.2011 11:29 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] daman825 Halo universe win. They have the forunners, which can create life. So the halo universe army will never fall![/quote] Wrong. When the life created inadvertently makes Warhammer 40K demons as a side effect, that's a fail
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Halo universe win. They have the forunners, which can create life. So the halo universe army will never fall!
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Well, Necrons can beat it. They are souls in metal bodies. They aren't even robots. Plus, individually, they aren't even sentient. On top of that. Their guns work by annihilating matter. Even their most basic rifle can blow up a building. Imagine what happened if the Forerunners activated Halo to starve the Flood, only to see that the Flood didn't need food to survive.
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It is impossible to eliminate the Chaos Gods without eliminating the Precursors, unless the Precursors somehow found a way to make themselves emotionless. It is true that the Chaos Gods have a consciousness, but they are in reality only a manifestation of the amalgamation of the interactions of consciousnesses from the real world. As long as emotion exists in the real world, a Chaos God can always be born and reborn. It is actually somewhat similar to how a Flood Gravemind can be reconstructed over the aeons. The only difference is that the Gravemind is built from Flood matter and the Chaos Gods are built from raw emotion. Essentially, the Precursors would have to kill themselves to kill the Chaos Gods. This means Halo automatically cannot win. However, it does not mean that Warhammer 40K automatically cannot win. Chaos Gods can force themselves into the consciousness of any being, willing or unwilling, except for those that do not have an emotional footprint, such as the Necrons. But it is quite improbable that the Precursors could ever become like the Necrons.
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Halo would put up a damn good fight, but I'm not sure who would win.
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WH40K wins
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Magna117 Nah, Halo = instant win. 40k is horrible.[/quote] Halo vs 40k current Halo(as of three) vs current 40k= curbstomp.....no better make that a Bolostomp in 40ks favor. It generally has to do with the fact that 40k has better weapons all around, better soldiers, better tanks, better aerospace fighters and transports, better ships, and well better everything. Add in the fact that they horribly outnumber both the unsc and the covenant by a huge margin that the Tau could conquer both in short order makes this a fairly short war. Forerunner vs current 40k= general stomp in halos favor, with necrons being the exception to the rule. Forerunner vs Old ones and Ctan= even fight, could go either way.
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Nah, Halo = instant win. 40k is horrible.
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True but there are a few comparisons Space Marines - Spartans Tyranids - The Flood Eldar - Forerunners (Both are an old dying/dead race) Imperial Guard - Marines Goal is to protect Terra/human race - Goal is to protect earth/human race (even though the imperium doesn't really give a blam about its citizens) so there are a few similarties, and thats if you take it to the extreme. If you notice I paired Eldar with the Forerunners, thats cause i really do believe that the Forerunners were elves... There are always elves... even if they are space elves that shoot ninja stars... they will always be there :O Oh and i play Tyranids and Red Scorpions(Space Marines) just in case you wanted to know :P
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Chris marines [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheDocSprinkles Maybe 40k is the future and Halo is in the past hmmm?[/quote] Maybe you trolling hmmm?[/quote] I'm saying the exact same thing as you, turd. Halo is in the Past compared to 40k which is waay in the future.
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I reckon both sides would be destroyed. [url=http://www.gobiel.com/sonsofruss/motiv/images/633642812635025368-exterminatus.jpg]1[/url] [url=http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Exterminatus#Virus_Bombs]2[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Neither side would be able to definitively win. Both sides have a race of gods, invincible, immortal. Its like trying to answer an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.[/quote] At least the chaos gods aren't invincible like the Q :) [/quote] Really? I don't know anything about 40K, so I just assumed. Well lets try this: Do the Chaos gods have an existing consciousness? If so, the Precursors can destroy them, or even the Halo Rings. For those who haven't read Cryptum, they target the consciousness of beings and destroy it, they target the "soul." Precursors are invincible because they and the dimensional reality we all call home are one and the same. The universe lives, it has its own consciousness, and the Precursors tapped into that. Halo destroys the consciousness, the only weapon ever that can damage the Precursors. Since the chaos gods have a consciousness, Precursors or even Halo can erase them from existance.[/quote] The only way they can survive is if their universe is at war like nids vs imperium... [url]http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_gods[/url] [/quote] So basically if Halo nuked the 40K universe, the lack of mortal emotions would destroy them? strange.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JJAB91 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JJAB91 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] annoyinginge [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Its like trying to answer an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.[/quote] The unstoppable force changes direction, duh.[/quote] ...oh my god I think this guy has finally solved it. [/quote] this implies the untsoppable force recognizes that it will be stopped and will thus have to change course. No object that changes course is unstoppable. This cannot be the answer.[/quote] What if the force went though the object? Not like punching through it I mean like a ghost going through a wall. Then the unstoppable force doesn't stop and the immovable object doesn't move.[/quote] Could be, but I always saw it as if they both physically collided, what would hapen. Most likely a new univere would be born.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Neither side would be able to definitively win. Both sides have a race of gods, invincible, immortal. Its like trying to answer an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.[/quote] At least the chaos gods aren't invincible like the Q :) [/quote] Really? I don't know anything about 40K, so I just assumed. Well lets try this: Do the Chaos gods have an existing consciousness? If so, the Precursors can destroy them, or even the Halo Rings. For those who haven't read Cryptum, they target the consciousness of beings and destroy it, they target the "soul." Precursors are invincible because they and the dimensional reality we all call home are one and the same. The universe lives, it has its own consciousness, and the Precursors tapped into that. Halo destroys the consciousness, the only weapon ever that can damage the Precursors. Since the chaos gods have a consciousness, Precursors or even Halo can erase them from existance.[/quote] The only way they can survive is if their universe is at war like nids vs imperium... [url]http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_gods[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JJAB91 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] annoyinginge [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Its like trying to answer an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.[/quote] The unstoppable force changes direction, duh.[/quote] ...oh my god I think this guy has finally solved it. [/quote] this implies the untsoppable force recognizes that it will be stopped and will thus have to change course. No object that changes course is unstoppable. This cannot be the answer.[/quote] What if the force went though the object? Not like punching through it I mean like a ghost going through a wall. Then the unstoppable force doesn't stop and the immovable object doesn't move.
