They kind do look like Uruk-Ais But during the Covenant Era, their planet only had 12.5 Billion. That is sustainable based on the size of Doisac. So cannibalism...you could discount that at this point.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 Anton, Naked, the book is titled "Brute Force" You really can't find it on the internet, although you can if you go to your local book store. If you want to know its real look it up on Google, but be sure to have Halo in the title or else it will direct you to World War links. And Naked. Your comparing the Brutes with us? Who's not to say they don't pollute? They were at Tier 4, Im sure they could develop things much more advances than we can. We are barely Tier 1. Brutes had some way to do it.[/quote] I am gonna look into this. I am gonna look for this book and see if I can find this. If it is true, then I really have to question the intelligence of these writers. 100 billion people...there wouldn't be enough food, there would be mass cannibalization (and not once have we ever observed Brutes eating each other for food) This would have a massive exponential multiplication effect, and the planet would just die. If this is true, and this was accepted as canon, then the writers have no concept of the far reaching consequences of over-population. THis is not listed on halopedian, and I am having difficulty finding more about this on google. I may have to buy this book just to see.[/quote] Well, we've never seen the Brutes in their native planet (except for that shot in Halo: Legends) So there's the possibility that the Brutes serving under the Covenant are well fed, thus rendering cannibalism unnecessary. But perhaps the ones in Doisac resort to Cannibalism due to their barbaric nature. On a side note, have you seen the resemblance between Brutes and Uruk-Ais?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 Anton, Naked, the book is titled "Brute Force" You really can't find it on the internet, although you can if you go to your local book store. If you want to know its real look it up on Google, but be sure to have Halo in the title or else it will direct you to World War links. And Naked. Your comparing the Brutes with us? Who's not to say they don't pollute? They were at Tier 4, Im sure they could develop things much more advances than we can. We are barely Tier 1. Brutes had some way to do it.[/quote] I am gonna look into this. I am gonna look for this book and see if I can find this. If it is true, then I really have to question the intelligence of these writers. 100 billion people...there wouldn't be enough food, there would be mass cannibalization (and not once have we ever observed Brutes eating each other for food) This would have a massive exponential multiplication effect, and the planet would just die. If this is true, and this was accepted as canon, then the writers have no concept of the far reaching consequences of over-population. THis is not listed on halopedian, and I am having difficulty finding more about this on google. I may have to buy this book just to see.

[quote]From what I understand the lowest the better when it comes to Tier, that's why Precursors are Tier 0 and Forerunner are Tier 1[/quote] Your right, I was mistaken on that. Jesus was a fail read for me.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE Looks like someone can't take a joke. I was just referencing a youtube video about Brutes, don't have to get all offended over it. -_-[/quote] I can take a joke, but I like to think people have more class than to make jokes like you did. Show some class.

Anton, Naked, the book is titled "Brute Force" You really can't find it on the internet, although you can if you go to your local book store. If you want to know its real look it up on Google, but be sure to have Halo in the title or else it will direct you to World War links. And Naked. Your comparing the Brutes with us? Who's not to say they don't pollute? They were at Tier 4, Im sure they could develop things much more advances than we can. We are barely Tier 1. Brutes had some way to do it.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 [i]"The Brutes...The Bastards who put bombs on your buddies and killed Millions of my people. Their diggin' and mighty big hole. Your going to tell me what their looking for, and your going to help me stop 'em."[/i] This quote alone tells you their ways that could be similar, if not, worse than terrorists we suffer from today. Think of Brutes as the Insurrectionists. Both killed millions of their own kind all for no reasons. Brutes constantly and still do have civil war on their home world of Doisac. I admit, Brutes were once good, maybe even greater than Elites. But once civil war broke out, the nuclear weapons were used and it ripped their technology and civilization apart. (Lol imagine a Brute in a suit XD) They were reduced to a primitive state. Thus why their weaponry is projectiles and not plasma based.(Brute Plasma Rifle does not count) The Brutes would simply had been the honor guard if the Covenant found them earlier. They had armor to match the Elites 2 times armor. Weaponry similar to the Forerunner. But a civil war broke out and 90% of the population died. They lost their weaponry and armor, losing how to make it as well. Brutes had to go in battle with armor given from the Covenant. Not helpful AT ALL. They still went in pretty much naked. Once the Covenant replaced the Elites for Brutes, the Brutes were given the armor the Elites once graced. They became the dominant species of the Covenant. If your questioning why Brutes had armor in Halo Reach and Halo Wars, those were Brutes under a Prophet, not a Chieftain. A Prophet wants the best he can get for his troops so he gets them armor. A Chieftain can do nothing, thus the lack of armor. Just to add, if the Covenant had found the Brutes in their peak, the Covenant would most likely had gotten annihilated. They were facing the Brutes when they were Tier 4, The Covenant is barely Tier 2. Your lucky the Brutes are in the Covenant at all. Questions?[/quote] From what I understand the lowest the better when it comes to Tier, that's why Precursors are Tier 0 and Forerunner are Tier 1

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook 100 billion? Dude...where did you read that?[/quote] Does it matter? As you said you've never read any of the books.[/quote] *Is interested*

It does matter. 100 billion people on a planet would be totally unsustainable. We can barely support the 6.77 billion on Earth, let alone 100 billion on a planet that may slightly larger than Earth. Perhaps a war to bring numbers down was essential to survival of the race. This does matter...and I wanna know where you read that.

Looks like someone can't take a joke. I was just referencing a youtube video about Brutes, don't have to get all offended over it. -_-

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook 100 billion? Dude...where did you read that?[/quote] Does it matter? As you said you've never read any of the books.

100 billion? Dude...where did you read that?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook You are telling me things I know. Yes, they kinda blew themselves up with nuclear weapons, and they kinda messed up their planet. Yes, they can be mean. Yes, they can be brutal. I know all that. But...doesn't everyone kinda serve under the Prophets? Like...does it make sense to send some of your soldiers in armed, and some of them under-equipped? I don't think brutes lost most of their population. Doisac has an estimated population of 12 billion, and, as we do not know the exact time frame of when this nuclear war happened, it's tough to say how fast or how slow they advance. They could be really smart, but also just very angry and emotional people.[/quote] Look at it like this. You are either serving under the president or under your general. It's basically the same thing. The General can't get you things with a snap. A President can. 12 billion? That's it? I remember reading it was over 100 billion before the civil war.

You are telling me things I know. Yes, they kinda blew themselves up with nuclear weapons, and they kinda messed up their planet. Yes, they can be mean. Yes, they can be brutal. I know all that. But...doesn't everyone kinda serve under the Prophets? Like...does it make sense to send some of your soldiers in armed, and some of them under-equipped? I don't think brutes lost most of their population. Doisac has an estimated population of 12 billion, and, as we do not know the exact time frame of when this nuclear war happened, it's tough to say how fast or how slow they advance. They could be really smart, but also just very angry and emotional people. Perhaps it is the Brute way? Intelligence can be associate to anger. Some of Humanities smartest minds were highly eccentric. Albert Einstein didn't like driving cars. [Edited on 03.06.2011 1:13 PM PST]

[i]"The Brutes...The Bastards who put bombs on your buddies and killed Millions of my people. Their diggin' and mighty big hole. Your going to tell me what their looking for, and your going to help me stop 'em."[/i] This quote alone tells you their ways that could be similar, if not, worse than terrorists we suffer from today. Think of Brutes as the Insurrectionists. Both killed millions of their own kind all for no reasons. Brutes constantly and still do have civil war on their home world of Doisac. I admit, Brutes were once good, maybe even greater than Elites. But once civil war broke out, the nuclear weapons were used and it ripped their technology and civilization apart. (Lol imagine a Brute in a suit XD) They were reduced to a primitive state. Thus why their weaponry is projectiles and not plasma based.(Brute Plasma Rifle does not count) The Brutes would simply had been the honor guard if the Covenant found them earlier. They had armor to match the Elites 2 times armor. Weaponry similar to the Forerunner. But a civil war broke out and 90% of the population died. They lost their weaponry and armor, losing how to make it as well. Brutes had to go in battle with armor given from the Covenant. Not helpful AT ALL. They still went in pretty much naked. Once the Covenant replaced the Elites for Brutes, the Brutes were given the armor the Elites once graced. They became the dominant species of the Covenant. If your questioning why Brutes had armor in Halo Reach and Halo Wars, those were Brutes under a Prophet, not a Chieftain. A Prophet wants the best he can get for his troops so he gets them armor. A Chieftain can do nothing, thus the lack of armor. Just to add, if the Covenant had found the Brutes in their peak, the Covenant would most likely had gotten annihilated. They were facing the Brutes when they were Tier 4, The Covenant is barely Tier 2. Your lucky the Brutes are in the Covenant at all. Questions? [Edited on 03.06.2011 1:00 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE Well, Elites that wield Energy Swords are mostly far more, adept at fighting and are more intelligent as, well, they've killed thousands of enemies to get the rank necessary to receive the honor of the sword. It's like us, some of us get things from our parents like abilities and the likes, say, an olympic swimmer were to have sex with some random woman and gets her pregnant, the baby would be less likely to get the attributes from his parents. But if it was with another swimmer, I think the baby would have a genetic predisposition to be of a more slim and athletic body instead of a regular body.[/quote] This is wrong. Although I do agree, some people can be genetically predisposed to certain body types (fat, thin, fit, muscular), it still plays no factor in what you are and are not good at. We have skills and talents today that were not considered, or even fathomed to be, skills 100, 500 years ago. If two fit swimmers have a baby, that baby could turn out anyway. If that baby doesn't put down the chips and cake, that baby, when it grows up, is gonna fat, lazy, and most certainly, not an Olympic swimmer. It's all upbringing and environment. Let's take [url=http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/10484/569650-4thplayercoopelite_large.jpg]Usze Taham[/url] as an example. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] www.halopedian.com Although Usze 'Taham was born into a respected merchant family in the state of 'Taham, he was fathered by Toha 'Sumai, one of the prominent swordfighters of this age. Toha mated with Usze's mother, a privilege granted by being a Swordsman, and Usze was raised by his mother and her husband. [/quote] [url=http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/10484/569650-4thplayercoopelite_large.jpg]I don't think Usze Taham is using a sword[/url] Why isn't he using a sword? He has Sword DNA! Give that man a sword! Oh wait...you need to PRACTICE to become a good swordsman. But if you have Sword DNA...you should be an instant God of the sword. So...if good swordsmanship is in their DNA then everyone has Sword DNA...then it's not special to use a sword. So then why do you need to be an aristocrat to use a sword if everyone has Sword DNA? Usze Taham doesn't look like an aristocrat, nor does his family seem like aristocracy...so then why was he born in the first place? So...if only aristocrats can use swords...why does [url=http://www.halopedian.com/Thel_%27Lodamee]Thel Lodamee[/url] have a sword? It never says he is an aristocrat. What's going on? Was he trained to use a sword? I'm confused. God in Heaven help me... Lets look up the definition of Schlock. Lets take a moment to do that...and then think about what I just typed. All done...lets move on. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa Well I said "sword genes" was the crude way of putting it. You have to agree though that there are certain genes that would make one more suited to something, yes? That's my take on it anyway, that being a sword master for Elites is more than just wielding a sword, and thus why they would want a specific genetic set for one. [/quote] I do agree, there are some genetic dispositions, like body weight, height, etc, that could help to become a better sword wielder...but I refute the idea that Swordsmanship is in their genetic code. Why isn't ship piloting, or vegetable cutting, or cooking, or dancing, or singing also part of their DNA. Again...I agree on traits that can make skills easier/harder to learn...but I refute the idea that people have skills in DNA. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa You are talking about the first time the game players have seen them right? Not the the Brute's first canon appearance?[/quote] I apologize, I was unclear about exactly what I meant to say. Yes, I am talking about their first video game appearance...which was Halo 2. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa I think they've looked cool in all their appearances. The two are not all that different looking, I think we'd have the same thing playing out as with the different sub-sets of Humanity. You know how like Asians would look very different from a European, but they're still both humans. The Reach Brutes are simply less hairy than the others we've seen and have a different shaped head.[/quote] I do like Halo 2 Brutes and I do like Halo 3/ODST/Wars Brutes. And you raise a good point about different sub-species. But...between Asians and Europeans...there are tiny differences. Skin tone, hair color, etc. Reach brutes look like a totally different species than Halo 3/ODST/Wars Brutes. Perhaps radical differences in appearance is possible...but from what we know of humanity, which is our only basis of comparison, and as Brutes look as close to humans as any Covenant species could hope to be, I think it's fair to make a conclusion, although a very debatable conclusion, that Reach Brutes are not a sub-species...but rather...a really poor job in recreating the Halo 3/ODST/Wars Brutes because Bungie wanted to make things look different to confuse us. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 [url=http://www.freegorillapictures.com/images/Photo137-Gorilla-Head-Closeup.jpg]What...?[/url][/quote] That's a gorilla...not a Brute. (And don't say "they are the same thing" because we all know they are not, it's just a racist term...yes...calling them Gorialls is a racist term in context. I know...it strange saying not to be racist to a fictional species...but...real or fake, it says a lot about someone if they can use derogatory terms just because they don't like something.) I dunno what you are trying to say here...but...try putting your idea in the form of words. [quote][/quote] Now...I need to address something here... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE Besides Brutes just have their nightly village circle-jerk, were every Brute minor gives head to the local chief of the village.....cookie if you get the reference.[/quote] I needed to check what you meant by cookie, and after taking into consideration what you said, and checking Google...I must say you are one of the dumbest, and possibly, most sick humans alive. Nobody is interested in the content matter to which you touch yourself at night to. Nobody is interested in your "cookie" hobby, or any other practice you engage in. Go and make your sick jokes somewhere else. Because, that is rather disgusting, and not only is it unfounded, it makes you look VERY stupid. If you have nothing intelligent to contribute, go away. [Edited on 03.06.2011 12:49 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 Yea and in Halo 2 they looked like Big Foot, your point?[/quote] Halo 2 was their first sighting, and I can pardon their appearance due to graphics of the time, and time constraints. Besides...they looked cool in Halo 2. They were not smooth skinned freaks with cone heads.[/quote] You are talking about the first time the game players have seen them right? Not the the Brute's first canon appearance? I think they've looked cool in all their appearances. The two are not all that different looking, I think we'd have the same thing playing out as with the different sub-sets of Humanity. You know how like Asians would look very different from a European, but they're still both humans. The Reach Brutes are simply less hairy than the others we've seen and have a different shaped head.

[quote][b]Posted By:[/b] Naked Crook I don't make it common practice to read Norse Mythology. But...unless I am mistaken...I think the only thing that can kill a Norse God, is another God. At least that's how it works in Marvel Comics... But...as far as what Constitutes a God...most, if not all faiths believe a God has Unlimited Power. What good is a God of Limited power? Can't really create any universe with limited power. One could argue that Unlimited Power means beyond death. But...yet again... I just find it funny how the writers never covered something this...massive. Perhaps they got lazy.[/quote] I think that is just Marvel's take on the Norse Mythos, I haven't seen any clearly stated idea like that in the actual mythology. I think maybe part of why it hasn't been covered is it's not all that important to the story, and probably wouldn't ever really be important to it unless we got a story about an Elite priest or something. [quote]Its tough to argue the existence of sword genes, or any genes that make you genetically predisposed to a specialty. I am a computer program. my Mom and Dad are both computer illiterates who don't even know the first thing about computers, but they work in a bank and practice medicine as an MD respectively. Do you think, when Roman Soldiers were tossing spears from a chariot, they were genetically predisposed to being experts at using M-16 machine guns? How are you genetically predisposed to something that does not exist? You could argue "accuracy" but throwing a spear and shooting a gun are two different things. Also...Reach Brutes suck.[/quote] Well I said "sword genes" was the crude way of putting it. You have to agree though that there are certain genes that would make one more suited to something, yes? That's my take on it anyway, that being a sword master for Elites is more than just wielding a sword, and thus why they would want a specific genetic set for one.

I really do miss the Halo 2 Brutes. They seemed the most brutish.

[quote]I like Brutes because they don't believe in "sword genes" and mating with whoever they please to spread "hammer genes"...you would think an intelligent race of aliens would know SWORDS DON'T HAVE A PLACE IN DNA. DURRR...[/quote] Well, Elites that wield Energy Swords are mostly far more, adept at fighting and are more intelligent as, well, they've killed thousands of enemies to get the rank necessary to receive the honor of the sword. It's like us, some of us get things from our parents like abilities and the likes, say, an olympic swimmer were to have sex with some random woman and gets her pregnant, the baby would be less likely to get the attributes from his parents. But if it was with another swimmer, I think the baby would have a genetic predisposition to be of a more slim and athletic body instead of a regular body. Get what I'm saying? Besides Brutes just have their nightly village circle-jerk, were every Brute minor gives head to the local chief of the village.....cookie if you get the reference. [Edited on 03.06.2011 12:38 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 Yea and in Halo 2 they looked like Big Foot, your point?[/quote] Halo 2 was their first sighting, and I can pardon their appearance due to graphics of the time, and time constraints. Besides...they looked cool in Halo 2. They were not smooth skinned freaks with cone heads.[/quote] [url=http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.freegorillapictures.com/images/Photo137-Gorilla-Head-Closeup.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.freegorillapictures.com/wallpaper/SDZ_0416-2Gorillas.jpg.html&usg=__-57EQgPFj3hGeM5bHr_hkp7pT2E=&h=435&w=678&sz=30&hl=en&start=0&sig2=HrOH2QVsJiKL3BYTA9p_WA&zoom=1&tbnid=CCinkYduWnhzrM:&tbnh=152&tbnw=220&ei=R0VzTd7sOZHAsAPBmqjaCw&prev=/images%3Fq%3DGorilla%2Bhead%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D677%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=131&vpy=144&dur=260&hovh=180&hovw=280&tx=172&ty=94&oei=LUVzTZJsi6axA_WCtMoL&page=1&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0]What...?[/url]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mojeda101 Yea and in Halo 2 they looked like Big Foot, your point?[/quote] Halo 2 was their first sighting, and I can pardon their appearance due to graphics of the time, and time constraints. Besides...they looked cool in Halo 2. They were not smooth skinned freaks with cone heads.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook Alright...let me just say, their hero's have beards...and goatees...but they are still modeled totally incorrect. It's like they are a totally different species. It's pretty obvious why I hate the minors. Their heroes, the Chieftains...their armor looks like it is made of wood. They are not even dangerous. At least Halo 3 Hammer Chieftains had that invincibility power. In Reach, they just look silly. They remind me of super mutants from Fallout 3. They look like mutant humans...not aliens![/quote] Yea and in Halo 2 they looked like Big Foot, your point?

Alright...let me just say, their hero's have beards...and goatees...but they are still modeled totally incorrect. It's like they are a totally different species. It's pretty obvious why I hate the minors. Their heroes, the Chieftains...their armor looks like it is made of wood. They are not even dangerous. At least Halo 3 Hammer Chieftains had that invincibility power. In Reach, they just look silly. They remind me of super mutants from Fallout 3. They look like mutant humans...not aliens!

srry man bt said the brutes that had hair where under tartarus and the ones withouut where nder the prophet... well Tartars was nder the prophet so nothing hould have changed, bngie jst wanted to try to mix stuff up a bit

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Naked Crook I don't make it common practice to read Norse Mythology. But...unless I am mistaken...I think the only thing that can kill a Norse God, is another God. At least that's how it works in Marvel Comics... But...as far as what Constitutes a God...most, if not all faiths believe a God has Unlimited Power. What good is a God of Limited power? Can't really create any universe with limited power. One could argue that Unlimited Power means beyond death. But...yet again... I just find it funny how the writers never covered something this...massive. Perhaps they got lazy. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa And actually one can argue for something like a "sword gene", which is only a rather simple and crude way of putting it. We don't know how the Elites genetics work, so for all we know there could very well be a gene that gives god-like swordsmanship to those who have it. And even if that's not the case genetics would still play a part in the best swordsmen, just like an Olympic athlete can pass on "genes" that makes someone an Olympic athlete. And even for humans nowadays, genetics is still a subject that we don't know that much about, there's still a lot to discover in this field that could render what we know today about the field false.[/quote] Its tough to argue the existence of sword genes, or any genes that make you genetically predisposed to a specialty. I am a computer program. my Mom and Dad are both computer illiterates who don't even know the first thing about computers, but they work in a bank and practice medicine as an MD respectively. Do you think, when Roman Soldiers were tossing spears from a chariot, they were genetically predisposed to being experts at using M-16 machine guns? How are you genetically predisposed to something that does not exist? You could argue "accuracy" but throwing a spear and shooting a gun are two different things. Also...Reach Brutes suck.[/quote] Tell me this becuase I have had it with that. Why do you think Brute Hero's suck? They are covered in Armor, why hate on them? Shields, armor, Power Weapon, which is what the War Chieftain was in Halo 3, why do you hate that Brute?