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2/20/2011 11:16:31 PM
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Kat's death, lame, unexpected and w/o legitimate reason
i would feel alot better about it if it was a beam rifle that shot Kat in the head rather a needle rifle,
cause the only way she could have died would have been w/o shields
so were all their shields down? from some sort of emp?
- then whyd the elavator work? or kats tacpad as well
cause that really didnt seem too clear to a lot of people, and another thing that doesnt make sense, if their shields were all down, when 6 and noble goback to shoot at the phantom taht shot through the hole in the ceiling or whatver, why doesnt that jacal just shoot 6 and noble in the head too?
the death really just didnt flow well, could have made it better imo, quick and effective, but really kinda unexpected,
like bungie could have at least given her a better death rite?
[Edited on 02.20.2011 4:41 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NinjaChicken197 Apparantly, the Field Marshall was 'after something she knew'. I still consider that Field Marshall to be the same one from the first and last level in the game, which I think is meaningful as under most circumstances the player kills all the Zealots before the Marshall (As he's high up on a platform while the Zealots are on your Ground Level) I still consider him as a Kind of Boss battle. The Shot passed through her head because... 1. Her shields were down. 2. The needles are armour piercing, which is how they stick to you. 3. If the Skeletons are Indestructible, how can a Sniper Bullet go through more than 1 head? The Skeletons are hardened, not indestructible.[/quote] Actually they are virtually indestructible. The only explanation is A: The needle is like spiker shots, super heated pieces of projectile or B: She had been injured during augmentation, and some of her skull was replaced by metal units. [Edited on 02.25.2011 8:13 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Highwayman48 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Kat's shields were taking constant bombardment from the radiation produced by the Covenant's glassing beams, 90 million roentgens is enough to kill an unprotected human in seconds. All of Noble Team were vulnerable, Kat was the unlucky one because of her lapse of situational awareness - too busy contemplating Holland's orders to notice the Field Marshall in the Phantom. I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.[/quote]This is probably the most well explained theory on this I've heard. I agree completely with this guy.[/quote] This theory has been on Halopedia since two days before release(The leaks). So as far as I can tell, you just stole the idea. And the commentary isn't the only proof, you can literally see the Feild Marshal. I'm sorry if I come off as an ass.
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I just wish they had killed Kat with something a little more... substantial. I mean C'mon, a needle? How many of those have hit N6 in the head over the course of the game?
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Apparantly, the Field Marshall was 'after something she knew'. I still consider that Field Marshall to be the same one from the first and last level in the game, which I think is meaningful as under most circumstances the player kills all the Zealots before the Marshall (As he's high up on a platform while the Zealots are on your Ground Level) I still consider him as a Kind of Boss battle. The Shot passed through her head because... 1. Her shields were down. 2. The needles are armour piercing, which is how they stick to you. 3. If the Skeletons are Indestructible, how can a Sniper Bullet go through more than 1 head? The Skeletons are hardened, not indestructible. [Edited on 02.25.2011 3:02 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caaaarrrl Just thought of something interesting. The head shot should not have worked, here's why: 1.Spartans have skeletal enhancements that make the skeleton nigh indestructible. 2.Kat had a steel-reinforced titanium helmet on, it should have blocked the shot. 3.Finally, the only way a head shot would work on a spartan is if it was in the eye. So, all in all, the shot should have just bounced off her skull and maybe hit the elite in his leg.[/quote] we don't know what those needles are made of or what powers their movement.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.[/quote] Wait...you...you mean...someone else freaking UNDERSTANDS this concept?? :D :D
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 I used to have a thread-theory on this. Not about the shields part, but about the Covenant that shot Kat. I said that Kat was killed by the Field Marshall. He was stalking your team throughout the whole campaign as in a revenge for killing his Zealot team back at Visigrad Relay. He's team is also responsible for the death of Emile, but Noble Six later kills him when heading for the MAC Gun. Bungie confirms him to be the Field Marshall, because in the Legendary Edition Commentary, they mention the Covenant that shot Kat as ''The Elite Commander'' which would be the Field Marshall. And on the shields, I guess they were taken out by the EMP of the glassing, but that dosent explain how the elevators work nor Kat's TACPAD.[/quote] They actually mention why the field marshal was stalking noble team in the legendary commentary... but I won't go into detail...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caaaarrrl Just thought of something interesting. The head shot should not have worked, here's why: 1.Spartans have skeletal enhancements that make the skeleton nigh indestructible. 2.Kat had a steel-reinforced titanium helmet on, it should have blocked the shot. 3.Finally, the only way a head shot would work on a spartan is if it was in the eye. So, all in all, the shot should have just bounced off her skull and maybe hit the elite in his leg.[/quote] Good point, but a hole in your theory is you have no idea what those needles are made of. It could be hard as diamond. It's not like those needle rifles shoot like Nerfs. They're rifles that shoot high-velocity rounds.
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Just thought of something interesting. The head shot should not have worked, here's why: 1.Spartans have skeletal enhancements that make the skeleton nigh indestructible. 2.Kat had a steel-reinforced titanium helmet on, it should have blocked the shot. 3.Finally, the only way a head shot would work on a spartan is if it was in the eye. So, all in all, the shot should have just bounced off her skull and maybe hit the elite in his leg.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArmouredSwampert [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tibetz Kat just put on her helmet. Her shields were down. Anyways, Kat's death is meaningful. I'm not sure why, but it cannot be a coincidence that she is the ONLY character to actually be seen dying on screen (Jorge teleports, Emile falls off screen, Noble 6's camera cuts away, Carter is inside the Pelican). There has to be a reason for it.[/quote] Didn't Emile die when the Energy Sword ran him through? He just shot the guy at the same time.[/quote] He stabbed the zealot, but died after falling off the cannon. (You hear him breathing, then he dies.)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tibetz Kat just put on her helmet. Her shields were down. Anyways, Kat's death is meaningful. I'm not sure why, but it cannot be a coincidence that she is the ONLY character to actually be seen dying on screen (Jorge teleports, Emile falls off screen, Noble 6's camera cuts away, Carter is inside the Pelican). There has to be a reason for it.[/quote] Didn't Emile die when the Energy Sword ran him through? He just shot the guy at the same time.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SPARTAN925 I reckon that cat was just recharging her sheilds cuz if you look closly her sheilds start to recharge but not as fast a 6's cuz he's a mk4 she's mk 2 or mk3 so her sheild system is lower.Oh it would have been better if she had been shot with beam rifle but dont question bungie![/quote] Um... what? All of Noble team had Mark V armor. The same armor Chief wore in CE. None of Noble Team had shields up during that part due to radiation. Three Spartans had their helms off, and after they got put on there was no shield recharge.
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I reckon that cat was just recharging her sheilds cuz if you look closly her sheilds start to recharge but not as fast a 6's cuz he's a mk4 she's mk 2 or mk3 so her sheild system is lower.Oh it would have been better if she had been shot with beam rifle but dont question bungie!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Highwayman48 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Kat's shields were taking constant bombardment from the radiation produced by the Covenant's glassing beams, 90 million roentgens is enough to kill an unprotected human in seconds. All of Noble Team were vulnerable, Kat was the unlucky one because of her lapse of situational awareness - too busy contemplating Holland's orders to notice the Field Marshall in the Phantom. I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.[/quote] Well put AJ. I think the same about Kat's death. But imo, it was the best out of any of the games. Johnson's would have been better, but that typical, last moment death sentence ''Send me out... with a bang'', killed some of it's potential. I would have perfered Johnson's last words to have been ''Kick his ass''. Kat's death was quick and clean and incredibly effective. It hit home like few others.[/quote]Saying "Kick his ass"wouldn't had made any sense. John already killed 343 when Johnson says that line.[/quote] I think he means when Johnson first gives you the Splazer in the fight. He goes "Kick his ass..." then falls over.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Kat's shields were taking constant bombardment from the radiation produced by the Covenant's glassing beams, 90 million roentgens is enough to kill an unprotected human in seconds. All of Noble Team were vulnerable, Kat was the unlucky one because of her lapse of situational awareness - too busy contemplating Holland's orders to notice the Field Marshall in the Phantom. I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.[/quote] Well put AJ. I think the same about Kat's death. But imo, it was the best out of any of the games. Johnson's would have been better, but that typical, last moment death sentence ''Send me out... with a bang'', killed some of it's potential. I would have perfered Johnson's last words to have been ''Kick his ass''. Kat's death was quick and clean and incredibly effective. It hit home like few others.[/quote]Saying "Kick his ass"wouldn't had made any sense. John already killed 343 when Johnson says that line.
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A possible explanation was that MJOLNIR shields have to be manually rebooted when the helmet is removed then put back on. And since Kat has been described as having a fatal lack of situational awareness she may have forgotten to boot them up when she put on her helmet. Her death was the hardest hitting though. The others had good deaths. She showed that war isn't fair and not every gets to go down in a blaze of glory. [Edited on 02.21.2011 1:33 AM PST]
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Everyone seems to assume that the Covenant did not have nor act upon good reliable intelligence. The Field Marshal may have targeted Kat specifically. She was, after all, very talented when it came to electronics and a definate thorn in the Covenant's side when it came to assault of Reach. Her death also highlights one major factor, chaos. Death often comes in a variety of forms, none of them pleasant. War can be random or specific and not everyone has the time to go out in a blaze of glory. Her death was the least gloryfied but the most meaningful. "Sometimes even heroes die." [Edited on 02.21.2011 12:59 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IListen2No1isme your a couple months late bro[/quote] yea i just realized i think i posted about kats death earlier, just forgot, just was thinking about it agian today
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Hers was the best out of all; I will elaborate on how I felt about it later, but I did want to say that is really hit me when Jun said something about missing Kat... that made me depressed and pissed at the same time.
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your a couple months late bro
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Spartans can deactivate her shields anytime they want. Kat wasnt expecting combat so her shields were down.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Kat's shields were taking constant bombardment from the radiation produced by the Covenant's glassing beams, 90 million roentgens is enough to kill an unprotected human in seconds. All of Noble Team were vulnerable, Kat was the unlucky one because of her lapse of situational awareness - too busy contemplating Holland's orders to notice the Field Marshall in the Phantom. I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.[/quote] Eh, honestly I'm not seeing a lapse of situational awareness here. The phantom was above and behind her, and the shot came through a hole going from the roof to the sub-level they were in.
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Kat just put on her helmet. Her shields were down. Anyways, Kat's death is meaningful. I'm not sure why, but it cannot be a coincidence that she is the ONLY character to actually be seen dying on screen (Jorge teleports, Emile falls off screen, Noble 6's camera cuts away, Carter is inside the Pelican). There has to be a reason for it.
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Her death was supposed to be a shock to mess with the player. The characters seemed so vulnerable after that, and you don't know when the next one will die. The rest of Noble team wasn't in the open, they were under a covering when Kat was shot except for 6. [Edited on 02.20.2011 5:19 PM PST]
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I do agree it was the stupidest death of the group, but what is done is done.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] raad face [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Kat's shields were taking constant bombardment from the radiation produced by the Covenant's glassing beams, 90 million roentgens is enough to kill an unprotected human in seconds. All of Noble Team were vulnerable, Kat was the unlucky one because of her lapse of situational awareness - too busy contemplating Holland's orders to notice the Field Marshall in the Phantom. I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.[/quote] good theory, just wish they expressed that better in the scene, like it could have been leading up, still mainiting its unexpectedness, but there could have been small signs of kat saying like 'my sields r getting fried' b4 they went down the elevator but what doesnt make sens still is why didnt the zelot or whoever had the needle rifle, just shoot everyone else down there, if they were all vulnerable, the guys prob got good accuracy if they could have hit kat from up there, and after kat was shot, the team kinda just stayed there w/ kats body for a sec giving supprt fire, and really the support fire coming from carter jun and emile was nothing to that phantom, they could have just hovered there and sniped them all rite?[/quote] Perhaps the Field Marshall was intimidated by the Halo CE Pistol? :P[/quote] I thought the mo-cap animation of 6 shooting and looking at the empty magnum, then throwing it away and grabbing Kat was brilliant. Animation looked really well done. Anyways, probably the Field Marshall did not have a clear shot on the rest of Noble. He wasnt just going to stand there while he had four sharpshooters shooting at him, especially Spartan's, it was obvious of him to bug out. He also probably thought that killing one of them would piss the rest off enough, getting revenge for his lost team back at Visgrad Relay. Yes, I think to much into these things. [Edited on 02.20.2011 5:04 PM PST]
