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2/16/2011 3:18:55 AM
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Huh, So there WERE Brutes on Installation 04
I can't believe I missed this in Halo 2's Collector's Edition Manual.
[i]"As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of
this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things
they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion
caused by the spread of the parasite."[/i]
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Eh, I still like to think it was only elites. You need to be aware that there are elite ships and brute ships, the two races do NOT share ships with each other. Thel vadam, being the commander of all the forces attacking reach probably had complete control over which ships formed his "personal guard" so to speak. And of course being an elite all of his "guard" would be elite ships. So when he followed the POA to halo with his "personal guard", then they would all naturally be elites. [Edited on 02.16.2011 7:57 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lord Slade Just because MC didn't encounter any Brutes doesn't mean they weren't there. However, in First Strike he viewed them as though it was a first encounter, despite the fact that he would have at least been informed of them after Harvest.[/quote] The re-release of First Strike changes the scene when John fights the brute on the UH. It's no longer his first contact with them, he knows of them already.
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I'm not sure how this could be talking about anything other than the ring, due to the mention of Flood.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nemesishunter7 Otherwise, it's an excuse to put the Brutes in the halo CE HD remake. [/quote]How can it be an excuse for a rumored remake if this was put in so early in the formation of the Halo Universe?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 I have no good news to relay, but the Human action was suicidal, either by accident or design. I believe none of them escaped the catastrophe. As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite. [/quote] The first paragraph I quoted doesn't imply that he is refering to First Strike as he's unsure of what happened to the Chief after the destruction of Installation 04. The second paragraph does appear to imply that Brutes were in Installation 04. It could be that the Brutes were talking about the spartans in general though. Although, Thel says "This human's ability", so maybe it might not be that either. I hope this is just a canon error. Otherwise, it's an excuse to put the Brutes in the halo CE HD remake. [Edited on 02.16.2011 5:32 PM PST]
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Just because MC didn't encounter any Brutes doesn't mean they weren't there. However, in First Strike he viewed them as though it was a first encounter, despite the fact that he would have at least been informed of them after Harvest.
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If brutes were there that could very easily account for the ring being lost to the humans. lol.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AngrydoG probably 04 though. Accidental Canon Break. lol[/quote]To be technical, it was never explicitly (Sp?) stated that there were no Brutes in the books.[/quote] True... I guess there could have been a few brutes XD I guess there was so little the cheif never had to fight them :)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cheeto666 The part where it says the parasite was released. Because at the time of the report, the only outbreak of the flood had been on 04. So yes, it is talking about Installation 04. Not even sure why there is any debate on this, it's fact, this report is about the events of Halo CE. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Astrogenesis 1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 I can't believe I missed this in Halo 2's Collector's Edition Manual. [i]"As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite."[/i][/quote] Where does this say it has anything to do with Instalation 04?[/quote][/quote] Could be both 04 and UH.
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The part where it says the parasite was released. Because at the time of the report, the only outbreak of the flood had been on 04. So yes, it is talking about Installation 04. Not even sure why there is any debate on this, it's fact, this report is about the events of Halo CE. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Astrogenesis 1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 I can't believe I missed this in Halo 2's Collector's Edition Manual. [i]"As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite."[/i][/quote] Where does this say it has anything to do with Instalation 04?[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 I can't believe I missed this in Halo 2's Collector's Edition Manual. [i]"As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite."[/i][/quote] Where does this say it has anything to do with Instalation 04?
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Thel followed the PoA with all the ships in his command, and I doubt any Brutes were present.
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This is Thel's report of his failure; post Halo CE, on Installation 04. Just because we didn't see any Brutes on 04 doesn't mean they weren't there. The fiction of the Halo universe covers a much broader spectrum than the action we see, first hand, when playing the game. We never saw any Engineers in the Xbox version, doesn't mean they weren't there, though. Does it?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] westpointusma15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] westpointusma15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 I can't believe I missed this in Halo 2's Collector's Edition Manual. [i]"As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite."[/i][/quote] That manual doesn't have communication excerpts from the first Halo game specifically so it doesn't prove that Brutes said that on the Installation 04. If I am thinking of the same manual as you are.[/quote]It was part of the report that Thel wrote to the Hierarchs.[/quote] I just read the description. I think the Elite is addressing the Brute's exaggerations of a Spartan's abilities, not specifically Chief's actions on the first Halo.[/quote]The choice of words ([b]Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict[/b]) heavily implies that there are reports about the battle on the Ring written by Brutes.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] westpointusma15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 I can't believe I missed this in Halo 2's Collector's Edition Manual. [i]"As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite."[/i][/quote] That manual doesn't have communication excerpts from the first Halo game specifically so it doesn't prove that Brutes said that on the Installation 04. If I am thinking of the same manual as you are.[/quote]It was part of the report that Thel wrote to the Hierarchs.[/quote] I just read the description. I think the Elite is addressing the Brute's exaggerations of a Spartan's abilities, not specifically Chief's actions on the first Halo.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] westpointusma15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 I can't believe I missed this in Halo 2's Collector's Edition Manual. [i]"As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite."[/i][/quote] That manual doesn't have communication excerpts from the first Halo game specifically so it doesn't prove that Brutes said that on the Installation 04. If I am thinking of the same manual as you are.[/quote]It was part of the report that Thel wrote to the Hierarchs.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] privet caboose [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 I can't believe I missed this in Halo 2's Collector's Edition Manual. [i]"As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite."[/i][/quote] I believe they're talking about the Spartan operation FIRST STRIKE, which resulted in the loss of hundreds of Covenant ships prepared to head for Earth...[/quote]Then why would Thel have put it in his report if he was not in that locale?[/quote] Because the spartan that caused the damage survived because Thel failed to kill him not once, but TWICE. (at Reach, and then on Halo.) I think it's directly related to his failure to protect Halo.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 I can't believe I missed this in Halo 2's Collector's Edition Manual. [i]"As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite."[/i][/quote] That manual doesn't have communication excerpts from the first Halo game specifically so it doesn't prove that Brutes said that on the Installation 04. If I am thinking of the same manual as you are.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] privet caboose [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 I can't believe I missed this in Halo 2's Collector's Edition Manual. [i]"As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite."[/i][/quote] I believe they're talking about the Spartan operation FIRST STRIKE, which resulted in the loss of hundreds of Covenant ships prepared to head for Earth...[/quote]Then why would Thel have put it in his report if he was not in that locale?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 I can't believe I missed this in Halo 2's Collector's Edition Manual. [i]"As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite."[/i][/quote] I believe they're talking about the Spartan operation FIRST STRIKE, which resulted in the loss of hundreds of Covenant ships prepared to head for Earth...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AngrydoG probably 04 though. Accidental Canon Break. lol[/quote]To be technical, it was never explicitly (Sp?) stated that there were no Brutes in the books.
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Since when did it mention the Flood on Reach? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sgtpickle777 The Flood wasn't on Reach though.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AngrydoG I don't think it was talking about 04, maybe Reach...[/quote]Nope. Here's the whole thing: [i]To Prophet of Truth Most high and honored Prophet: It is with the greatest shame that I lay myself before the judgment of the Council. I expect and will accept no mercy. My failure in this matter is absolute; I embrace my responsibility and await my punishment. The disgrace and blasphemy at Halo was an abomination caused by my incompetence and failure of judgment. Although the tales and rumors of the Demon have basis in fact, much of this talk is Unggoy superstition and exaggeration. Certainly the Demon, a Human, activated a catastrophic engine- failure sequence on the crashed Human vessel, but it was allowed to do so because of failures in security measures and tactics for which I bear full responsibility. I have no good news to relay, but the Human action was suicidal, either by accident or design. I believe none of them escaped the catastrophe. As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite. The Human in question is certainly unusual, although not the creature it has been described as. It stands taller than most, is faster and more aggressive, but still irrevocably a Human animal, worthy of neither fear nor respect. It is merely an exception that proves the rule. As always, Humans remain beneath our contempt. Their failure at Reach compounds their defeat. We sense that their defenses are failing rapidly. I have gathered information on the Human's armor, abilities, and weapons, which follows this report. Perhaps more worrisome is the discovery and subsequent conflict with the parasite on Halo. This monstrosity festered, rotted, and waited on the Holy World, and although we cannot be sure, the Humans may have released it from its shackles. I do not presume to know the unknowable, but I suspect that the Forerunners meant this filth to stay imprisoned forever. The sacred grace of Halo was polluted before it was destroyed. I await my punishment with faith and honor. --Supreme Commander, Fleet of Particular Justice [/i][/quote] Either 04, or unyielding Heriophant, or something like that. probably 04 though. Accidental Canon Break. lol
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The Flood wasn't on Reach though.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AngrydoG I don't think it was talking about 04, maybe Reach...[/quote]Nope. Here's the whole thing: [i]To Prophet of Truth Most high and honored Prophet: It is with the greatest shame that I lay myself before the judgment of the Council. I expect and will accept no mercy. My failure in this matter is absolute; I embrace my responsibility and await my punishment. The disgrace and blasphemy at Halo was an abomination caused by my incompetence and failure of judgment. Although the tales and rumors of the Demon have basis in fact, much of this talk is Unggoy superstition and exaggeration. Certainly the Demon, a Human, activated a catastrophic engine- failure sequence on the crashed Human vessel, but it was allowed to do so because of failures in security measures and tactics for which I bear full responsibility. I have no good news to relay, but the Human action was suicidal, either by accident or design. I believe none of them escaped the catastrophe. As ever, Jiralhanae accounts of the conflict are unreliable and their accounts of this Human's abilities and actions are absurd. No Human is capable of the things they gossip and chatter about. I suspect panic and excuse, as well as confusion caused by the spread of the parasite. The Human in question is certainly unusual, although not the creature it has been described as. It stands taller than most, is faster and more aggressive, but still irrevocably a Human animal, worthy of neither fear nor respect. It is merely an exception that proves the rule. As always, Humans remain beneath our contempt. Their failure at Reach compounds their defeat. We sense that their defenses are failing rapidly. I have gathered information on the Human's armor, abilities, and weapons, which follows this report. Perhaps more worrisome is the discovery and subsequent conflict with the parasite on Halo. This monstrosity festered, rotted, and waited on the Holy World, and although we cannot be sure, the Humans may have released it from its shackles. I do not presume to know the unknowable, but I suspect that the Forerunners meant this filth to stay imprisoned forever. The sacred grace of Halo was polluted before it was destroyed. I await my punishment with faith and honor. --Supreme Commander, Fleet of Particular Justice [/i]
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I don't think it was talking about 04, maybe Reach...
