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2/12/2011 4:31:47 PM
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Noble Teams Armor Varients and Colors make no sense.
This is something that has always made me sad and really shows Bungie has no idea how to design a gritty game.
Noble Team's armor makes no sense. If they are supposed to be an ONI Team who goes on clandestine operations behind enemy lines. Why do they look like a double rainbow?
Carter's Armor may work if he is UNDERWATER.
Kat's Teal stands out even when running through a building in the process of being glassed....oh.
Jun's is okay...except for the huge blue and white stripes he has on his shoulders.
Jorge is freaking orange...which is okay, its not like he is trying to be stealthy anyway. That brings up a good point, why would you have a huge guy with an LMG on a stealth team?
Emile is the only person who has a color that actually makes sense: Grey. But then he has this huge fishbowl of a helmet. Why would a CQC specialist wear a helmet with a huge vulnerable visor. Heck, they have a helmet variant DEDICATED to CQC!
This is one of the many reasons I never really got the whole "dark" theme Bungie was trying to set. Do they really expect me to take this whole "glassing" thing seriously when a lady wearing bright green armor with a skinny robo arm is telling me it?
What a joke.
I'm not saying that every member of Noble Team should have worn the same armor, but it's called CAMOFLAGE.
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They did it becuase it looks cool.
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I'm on the fence. Noble Team is no necessarily restricted to stealth team formula, but it is implied when they mention that nobody knows about Noble Team. I mean, I think if anything we confuse the fact that the UNSC doesn't widely acknowledge them, for being a stealth team. Either way stealth in a Halo game hasn't worked since Halo CE. They took out that neat way of playing in favor of the "One person died a mile away! I can SENSE IT!" (Yes, I know the Covenant are advanced and are probably marked for each other to see when they are killed, but that doesn't mean they know YOUR location as you kill them.) Reach's Gameplay is as much Stealth as Sonic the Hedgehog is Metal Gear. So they don't need stealthy colors per say. The colors should have been changed though... as with the canon destroyers in Reach, but that's not what this is about. On the front cover of the old Fall of Reach book they have several Spartans in different shades of Green, even one in what looks like a brown. Jorge should have been identified by being big, Olive colored, and with his Shoulder shields. Emile was fine I SUPPOSE. Kat should have been a light green and her female figure would give her away. Also, let's just make her slightly shorter. Carter should have been slightly taller than Kat, about the same size as Emile. Fine Green armor with black accents. Jun is fine, but maybe make him a darker green... nah I suppose it was dark enough... or make him brown/green. Basically acceptable colors appear to be: Black Grey Various shades of green Various shades of brown And I'm fine with that. Their size, bulk, weapons, helmets, call tags, should have made them identifiable, and if Bungie wanted us to care about their deaths they would have developed their character more, and they only did with Jorge, so I'm going to assume they either: Did not necessarily intend to make the characters relationship important. Or they just failed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fly Boy 2113 I always thought Spartans with flashy colors made Halo what it is. I also thought Noble teams colors were a little bit dull too.[/quote] All the armor colors in Reach are a bit darker than the past two games, I think to fit in better with the darker/grittier feel of the Reach's story.
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I always thought Spartans with flashy colors made Halo what it is. I also thought Noble teams colors were a little bit dull too.
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None of the Covenant's colors have ever been practical for combat, why should the Spartans? Maybe Noble Team has a thing for modifications and paint jobs? The Clones in the Star Wars series do and they still get -blam!- done.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Najar I completely agree. I wish bungie had stayed with the standard Mark V, and the standard green. [/quote]
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Maybe Carter and Kat are blue to make covies think they're not CO's of the team...
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Unless your actually trying to be "stealth" like Jun, then colors matter. But other than that you cares, Bungie made Noble teams colors for originality and expression.
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Yo they should have made them all brown and grey!!! YEAH
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Its kinda hard to camouflage a 7 foot person in armour with a gold faceplate, IMO.
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I couldn't see that. It would be weird.
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Actually, Jorge is olive - it's his original MK IV armor after all. Only the collar/grenadier with the shield generator is orange.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CTN 0452 9 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa I went back and looked at screen shots of Jun, the stripes in question are an incredibly dark blue, they're almost black in the ones I saw. Things like Jun's supposed "stand out stripes" only distract from the story if you are incredibly nit-picky, yes this is a forum for discussing Halo and its story, but there's a big difference between being excessively nitpicky and analyzing the story.[/quote] Maybe I am being nit picky, and Jun was the best of the team colors wise, but he still has blue stripes [url=http://www.gossipgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Jun_left.jpg]visible here[/url], which wouldn't be too much of a problem, except the rest of NOBLE was even more ridiculous.[/quote] Yeah, those are dark enough to not even really be noticed, well no more so than any of Jun's black accents. I still stand by my original statement that Kat's is the only really ridiculously colored one, unless of course one makes their Six outrageously colored, but I don't really care, it doesn't matter to me.[/quote] Yeah, I remember seeing screenshots of kat and carter with the rest of the team back when we didn't know much and wondering WTF was their excuse for being blue. I mean, really. The Rust and Dark purple colors are less noticeable. And very under utilized.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] master of ares [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Potomo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CTN 0452 9 Things like this, and the lack of enthusiasm of the trooper in Winter Contingency saying that the Covenant are on Reach completely detract from the quality of the storytelling.[/quote] I burst out laughing when I heard that line. It's really hard to be that bad at acting. But lets not talk about the acting. That can be saved for another thread. [/quote]permit me to say one more thing about the acting. I dont exactly remember the lines but: Jun: "Boss, i see some troopers under attack about (distance) from you" Trooper: "[u]We're under attack[/u], i repeat, 4 charlie 6 over." worst line in the game.[/quote] I remember loling SOOO hard at that one.
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I agree. Also, why have bulkier armor on the right arm, but the left only small armor? Emile's right handed, the left side should have the bulky armor.
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It's curious that some people are calling Noble Team primarily a stealth team. If anything they're the complete opposite. They're a public unit (far more so than the S-IIs after they were made public) integrated with normal troops to fight the Covenant and Insurrectionists on the front lines with everyone else.
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ONi doesn't automatically mean "Stealth Team". Spartans are used on anything from stealth missions to full out assaults, so it doesn't matter too much.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CTN 0452 9 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa I went back and looked at screen shots of Jun, the stripes in question are an incredibly dark blue, they're almost black in the ones I saw. Things like Jun's supposed "stand out stripes" only distract from the story if you are incredibly nit-picky, yes this is a forum for discussing Halo and its story, but there's a big difference between being excessively nitpicky and analyzing the story.[/quote] Maybe I am being nit picky, and Jun was the best of the team colors wise, but he still has blue stripes [url=http://www.gossipgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Jun_left.jpg]visible here[/url], which wouldn't be too much of a problem, except the rest of NOBLE was even more ridiculous.[/quote] Yeah, those are dark enough to not even really be noticed, well no more so than any of Jun's black accents. I still stand by my original statement that Kat's is the only really ridiculously colored one, unless of course one makes their Six outrageously colored, but I don't really care, it doesn't matter to me.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa I went back and looked at screen shots of Jun, the stripes in question are an incredibly dark blue, they're almost black in the ones I saw. Things like Jun's supposed "stand out stripes" only distract from the story if you are incredibly nit-picky, yes this is a forum for discussing Halo and its story, but there's a big difference between being excessively nitpicky and analyzing the story.[/quote] Maybe I am being nit picky, and Jun was the best of the team colors wise, but he still has blue stripes [url=http://www.gossipgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Jun_left.jpg]visible here[/url], which wouldn't be too much of a problem, except the rest of NOBLE was even more ridiculous.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CTN 0452 9 On Topic: I completely agree with the OP, Bungie said that they were trying to make Halo: Reach a more emotional, deeper game with things like civilians dying and a scarier covenant to make you feel the horror of the Covenant destroying a planet. The colors of NOBLE completely distract from the effect, since they are so ridiculous. The blue and teal coloring makes NOBLE seem like a joke, not some elite unit. I would love to see someone show me one thing in today's military that is on the front line (ground only!) that is painted bright, ore even light blue. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa Oh yeah, like a couple stripes are going to give Jun away, I can't even see them, so that should tell ya something.[/quote] Small things can give a sniper away, especially since they lay still for hours on end, trying to blend into their surroundings. Blue stripes are a big giveaway when an improperly made ghillie suit can mean being discovered. Things like this, and the lack of enthusiasm of the trooper in Winter Contingency saying that the Covenant are on Reach completely detract from the quality of the storytelling.[/quote] I went back and looked at screen shots of Jun, the stripes in question are an incredibly dark blue, they're almost black in the ones I saw. Things like Jun's supposed "stand out stripes" only distract from the story if you are incredibly nit-picky, yes this is a forum for discussing Halo and its story, but there's a big difference between being excessively nitpicky and analyzing the story.
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Jun's works perfectly. Carter has dark colors; His armor seems to work okay. Emile blends in with shadows. Noble Six has gray armor, he's fine. Jorge couldn't remain stealthy if his life depended on it. Kat's stupid.
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EDIT: No, you're right, I didn't contribute. Sorry. I'm a bit conflicted: In some ways, I think Bungie made Noble Team colorful to distinguish them and make them stand out, let the armor show off a little of each member's personality. Pretty typical way of showing that "these people are important to the story." It kind of reminds me of Star Wars: Republic Commando, how your squadmates had different unique armor -- all nonessential characters used standard-issue equipment, and you generally did not care for those people; there was nothing special about them. In other ways, though, I felt that the colors seemed a bit out-of-place. While I didn't play through the game thinking "omg Jorge your flamboyant coloring is ruining this game", I [i]did[/i] at least get the feeling that Noble Team is a little [i]too[/i] colorful, and it detracted from the emotional impact of the game's plot. It gave me the impression that if Bungie had tweaked a few things here and there, it would have made for a darker game that would have... I don't know how to say it. Better? More emotional? Improved the mood? [Edited on 02.12.2011 8:34 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Potomo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CTN 0452 9 Things like this, and the lack of enthusiasm of the trooper in Winter Contingency saying that the Covenant are on Reach completely detract from the quality of the storytelling.[/quote] I burst out laughing when I heard that line. It's really hard to be that bad at acting. But lets not talk about the acting. That can be saved for another thread. [/quote]permit me to say one more thing about the acting. I dont exactly remember the lines but: Jun: "Boss, i see some troopers under attack about (distance) from you" Trooper: "[u]We're under attack[/u], i repeat, 4 charlie 6 over." worst line in the game.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CTN 0452 9 Things like this, and the lack of enthusiasm of the trooper in Winter Contingency saying that the Covenant are on Reach completely detract from the quality of the storytelling.[/quote] I burst out laughing when I heard that line. It's really hard to be that bad at acting. But lets not talk about the acting. That can be saved for another thread.
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Depending on the spartans fighting style, they would wear appropriate colors. Since Noble is less stelathy than other spartan teams they can have more vibrant colors. In the game, the spartans are never hiding, so the subdued colors would only take away. Thats one arguement. Another is that if they were all green, they would be pretty dull.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] gravy666 This is something called "Taking Halo Too Seriously".[/quote] The point of this forum is to discuss the canonical elements of the games, i.e. nit picking details. If you think that this is stupid, or a waste of time, then you can discuss the big picture of armor lock in the reach forum. Please don't just come here to tell us that we are wasting our time without contributing to the conversation. By the way, I remember threads on almost all of the topics you have mentioned, including several lengthy ones on the projectile weapons. On Topic: I completely agree with the OP, Bungie said that they were trying to make Halo: Reach a more emotional, deeper game with things like civilians dying and a scarier covenant to make you feel the horror of the Covenant destroying a planet. The colors of NOBLE completely distract from the effect, since they are so ridiculous. The blue and teal coloring makes NOBLE seem like a joke, not some elite unit. I would love to see someone show me one thing in today's military that is on the front line (ground only!) that is painted bright, ore even light blue. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa Oh yeah, like a couple stripes are going to give Jun away, I can't even see them, so that should tell ya something.[/quote] Small things can give a sniper away, especially since they lay still for hours on end, trying to blend into their surroundings. Blue stripes are a big giveaway when an improperly made ghillie suit can mean being discovered. Things like this, and the lack of enthusiasm of the trooper in Winter Contingency saying that the Covenant are on Reach completely detract from the quality of the storytelling.
