If one would follow the link given by the kind OP, one would be able to learn about the essentially limitless capabilities of the Dalek Empire. The Time Lord's home planet was essentially lifted out of time, and nothing, including the energy of a universe converted to a single blast could not even hope to penetrate the transduction barrier. The Daleks nearly destroyed Gallifrey in the Time War. A single pre-war Dalek saucer could crack a planet trivially, and even the post-war paradigm Daleks could create torso-sized devices to destroy entire planets rather trivially. This is even before we get to their more esoteric technologies. Time manipulation essentially allows them to do whatever they want, whenever they want, to the Forerunners. They have multiple superweapons that allow them to destroy entire Galaxies. What have the Forerunners shown as far to even compare to the Dalek Empire?

What exactly ARE forerunners

Guys, OMG Help me! I cannot seem to find the word Precursor in the thread title! :/

Cybermen

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners. [/quote] Bwahaha, it's a no-brainer you would take vague comments on the Precursors and attempt to use it in an argument. How about you start providing ACTUAL evidence that the Precursors are a threat to the Daleks? The TV series Daleks are out of the Forerunners league, but the EU Daleks are in a whole different league completely.[/quote] Alright then. What do the Daleks have that can harm Precursors? [/quote] Oh, Reality Bomb, perfect time travel, EU weapons... [quote] Right. They don't have anything. The concept of Neural Physics--the science that the mind and universe are inextricably linked--is highly specific to Halo. That is to say, Precursors and reality are one in the same, which give them the power to ignore physics entirely.[/quote] [/quote] Yet no quote for this. Even if this were true, however, it doesn't stop Daleks from reverse-engineering such technologies (given they've done so to Time Lord technologies before without actually getting a hold of them adds to this) and then killing the Precursors. [quote] Normally, physics such as gravity, kinetics and the impossible preassure induced onto the structures from getting sucked underneath the planet again and again would tear them apart.[/quote] Not if you're race is extremely technologically advanced, no. But I suppose the Precursors could easily beat such races too, like the Xeelee? [quote] Again, inertia should tear the world bridges apart without them surviving even a millisecond. The invincibility of the Precursors stems from their ability to completely bypass the laws of physics (this also includes time. The Captive was locked up for hundreds of millions, possibly even a billion, years. Time has no effect on the Precursors). [/quote] Again, multiple high end universes could make such things, and that includes the Daleks. [quote] The only way to harm the Precursors is via Neural Weapons, and I don't mean like forcing a stroke or anything. Neural Weapons are based in the science that consciousness and the universe are linked. [/quote] How about you quote that Precursors are only capable of being harmed only by neural science? [quote] Halos are one such weapon. When they kill something, they not only target the brain and nervous system to keep the Flood from infecting, but they wipe the conscious mind of the being out completely. Halos essentially kill the soul of individuals. [/quote] Yet, per Halo 1, the Halo Rings only kill things with sufficient biomass. [quote] Precursors and their technology, being pure "soul," cannot be harmed by anything but this unique science or weapon. Anything else is pure assumption. [/quote] And your statements are claims with no evidence :) [quote] And if you had an ounce of intelligence--which, considering your persistant aggressiveness in other posts, I seriously doubt--you would have read the other posts where I explain this.[/quote] I'm not going to read your dribble, little one, especially considering you have shown incapable of quoting the proof I've desired.[/quote] You're a persistant troll, eh? Honestly, I wonder myself if you're even worth my time. The thickness of your skull makes the quotes I'm about to give ultimately useless. But I got nothing to do at the moment. Might as well. Born explains the essentials of Neural Physics. "The basic principle was called neural physics,' I said. 'Precursors felt the Mantle extended to the entire universe, energy and matter as well as living creatures. The universe lives, but not as we do." Didact and Born talk about the Halo's unique properties. Also mentions the fact only the Precursors can activate Precursor tech. "How?' I asked. 'How do you destroy Precursor artifacts? They're inviolate, eternal.' 'They understood the universe in ways we never will. [b] We can't unlock their secrets [/b] but now, apparently, we can destroy all they ever made. [i] That's [/i] what I call progress.'" Anyway. There's a few more quotes I'd look for for anyone else, but I usually don't respond to aggressive twelve year olds. I guess you can consider yourself lucky I responded at [i] all [/i] to your troll-like manners. Now don't get me wrong, I understand why you would want quotes. I'd want 'em too. But it's hard for me to take you seriously when you joined just a week ago, and when you only seem to post in vs threads for the apparent sole purpose of trying to piss Halo fans off. You don't seem to really like Halo, you refuse to read the books. And you clearly don't have any concern about building respect in the community by talking about constructive topics like the Halo Story. Even your lack of avatar tells me you come here for the singular purpose of posting on Halo vs. debates, and have no concern for a community related item (avatars). Kinda sad really. Never really seen you post in anything BUT vs debate, which technically aren't even allowed. Unless the rules changed that is. And while we're on the topic of constructive conversation in the Universe forums, how about you consider this. Halo is fond of metaphors. Take the Precursors and their invincibility as an example. Their invincibility serves a higher purpose then just to have the fanboys something to drool over. They represent the metaphysical belief that everything has a purpose in the universe's Living Time (life's time of interaction with the cosmos). That everything is ultimately pure at its deepest core, that everything is savable and worth saving. This understanding of the cosmos has allowed the Precursors to transcend to something beyond comprehension, to warp and break the laws of physics to better the universe. The purpose of the Halo's are to embody not only the Forerunners' physical downfall, but the metaphorical collapse of their entire society into a long string of hypocrisy. A culture so hell-bent on preaching the preservation of life is the ultimate task all Forerunners should undertake, then throw the Lifworkers into amongst the lowest class of society, brutalize all powers capable of competition into a Tier 7 state, rip the surface of a normally peaceful planet clean off, and then build a weapon that destroys the very soul of creatures. The Forerunners' alleged overthrowing of the Precursors, those who CREATED them, characterizes the egomaniacle outlook on life the Forerunners have. They are the ultimate universal power, and no one can supercede them, and no one could. Except for humanity, the Forerunners' brothers. See the story of these three races is really a metaphorical story of a father and his two sons. One of the sons goes mad with images of destiny and overthrows the father. The brother then makes sure the other, younger brother can never have the same oppurtunity the older one did. What the first brother doesn't know is that he wasn't ready. Forerunners meet opposition with excessive brutality, butchering billions to keep the "peace" in the universe. This is a direct violation of the Mantle of Life, which sees these acts of brutality as sinful and damning. So the father, who had been driven out of the "house" (or Milky Way), punishes his overeager son with a challenge even his "infinite might" cannot overcome: The Flood. The Flood are both a literal and metaphorical manifestation of the Forerunners' most horrific acts. That same mentality of crushing opposition with decisive force exists within the Flood and its Gravemind because the Flood adapts its opponent's strategies, weapons and thought-proceses. The Forerunners can't defeat the Flood because in the process they'd be slaughtering trillions of their own at the same time. Its a bit different when you start butchering your own people "for the greater good." You start to doubt your own morals, your own decisions. Its especially worse when you're FORCED to do these horrible acts of war. This is actually a common theme in Halo. Ever consider the Gravemind's line "I am a monument to all of your sins"? Have you ever once stopped to consider what that meant, to think? Anyway, you probably didn't pay attention worth a -blam!- to what I just said so I won't bother wasting my 1500 characters I have left to carefully explain to you why we can know these things, so I'll just say it. We know these things about Halo because we pay attention to detail and think like a writer. To pick apart the metaphors, read through the gaps and actually THINK through the story. Everything you just didn't probably read was a product of careful analysis based on the facts we know. So if you want to come on Bungie and post in VS threads, fine, there's nothing wrong with it. I do it all the time because I enjoy the debate itself if not the fact I can prove Halo is "5up3r 1337". I could care less about that, the debate gets your brain going. But when some idiot who is new here, never posts in anything but VS threads, ultimately contributes nothing to the overall Universe community, clearly doesn't care about the community in the first place, and aggressively and ignorantly bashes other people because they think one universe could defeat another comes on this site, I get pissed.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mihir Daleks look like a messed version of R2D2. also forerunners can make halos, can the Daleks? [/quote] No, the Daleks make use of Multiverse Busters as their high end. Oh, and they had a galaxy to potential universe buster. The Forerunners aren't in the same league as the Daleks.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mihir Daleks look like a messed version of R2D2. also forerunners can make halos, can the Daleks? [/quote] Daleks can make things that destroy all of reality..... is that good enough?

Dr who thread - sad

Daleks look like a messed version of R2D2. also forerunners can make halos, can the Daleks?

Daleks can be beaten by a sonic screwdriver and a dimwitted time lord.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners. [/quote] Bwahaha, it's a no-brainer you would take vague comments on the Precursors and attempt to use it in an argument. How about you start providing ACTUAL evidence that the Precursors are a threat to the Daleks? The TV series Daleks are out of the Forerunners league, but the EU Daleks are in a whole different league completely.[/quote] Alright then. What do the Daleks have that can harm Precursors? [/quote] Oh, Reality Bomb, perfect time travel, EU weapons... [quote] Right. They don't have anything. The concept of Neural Physics--the science that the mind and universe are inextricably linked--is highly specific to Halo. That is to say, Precursors and reality are one in the same, which give them the power to ignore physics entirely.[/quote] [/quote] Yet no quote for this. Even if this were true, however, it doesn't stop Daleks from reverse-engineering such technologies (given they've done so to Time Lord technologies before without actually getting a hold of them adds to this) and then killing the Precursors. [quote] Normally, physics such as gravity, kinetics and the impossible preassure induced onto the structures from getting sucked underneath the planet again and again would tear them apart.[/quote] Not if you're race is extremely technologically advanced, no. But I suppose the Precursors could easily beat such races too, like the Xeelee? [quote] Again, inertia should tear the world bridges apart without them surviving even a millisecond. The invincibility of the Precursors stems from their ability to completely bypass the laws of physics (this also includes time. The Captive was locked up for hundreds of millions, possibly even a billion, years. Time has no effect on the Precursors). [/quote] Again, multiple high end universes could make such things, and that includes the Daleks. [quote] The only way to harm the Precursors is via Neural Weapons, and I don't mean like forcing a stroke or anything. Neural Weapons are based in the science that consciousness and the universe are linked. [/quote] How about you quote that Precursors are only capable of being harmed only by neural science? [quote] Halos are one such weapon. When they kill something, they not only target the brain and nervous system to keep the Flood from infecting, but they wipe the conscious mind of the being out completely. Halos essentially kill the soul of individuals. [/quote] Yet, per Halo 1, the Halo Rings only kill things with sufficient biomass. [quote] Precursors and their technology, being pure "soul," cannot be harmed by anything but this unique science or weapon. Anything else is pure assumption. [/quote] And your statements are claims with no evidence :) [quote] And if you had an ounce of intelligence--which, considering your persistant aggressiveness in other posts, I seriously doubt--you would have read the other posts where I explain this.[/quote] I'm not going to read your dribble, little one, especially considering you have shown incapable of quoting the proof I've desired.

Not a stand-off I would have in mind but...Yeah. Forerunners. Of course.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners. [/quote] Bwahaha, it's a no-brainer you would take vague comments on the Precursors and attempt to use it in an argument. How about you start providing ACTUAL evidence that the Precursors are a threat to the Daleks? The TV series Daleks are out of the Forerunners league, but the EU Daleks are in a whole different league completely.[/quote] Alright then. What do the Daleks have that can harm Precursors? Right. They don't have anything. The concept of Neural Physics--the science that the mind and universe are inextricably linked--is highly specific to Halo. That is to say, Precursors and reality are one in the same, which give them the power to ignore physics entirely. Again, for example: "Some Precursor artifacts were old enough to be cycled again and again through hundreds of millions of years, dragged down with subsumed crust and pushed up again through volcanoes or vents. Indestructible... Fascinating." Pg. 39, Cryptum. Normally, physics such as gravity, kinetics and the impossible preassure induced onto the structures from getting sucked underneath the planet again and again would tear them apart. Another example: "No vaulting bridges stretching from world to world." (Bornstellar comparing the Forerunner Capitol to Precursor worlds). Again, inertia should tear the world bridges apart without them surviving even a millisecond. The invincibility of the Precursors stems from their ability to completely bypass the laws of physics (this also includes time. The Captive was locked up for hundreds of millions, possibly even a billion, years. Time has no effect on the Precursors). The only way to harm the Precursors is via Neural Weapons, and I don't mean like forcing a stroke or anything. Neural Weapons are based in the science that consciousness and the universe are linked. Halos are one such weapon. When they kill something, they not only target the brain and nervous system to keep the Flood from infecting, but they wipe the conscious mind of the being out completely. Halos essentially kill the soul of individuals. Precursors and their technology, being pure "soul," cannot be harmed by anything but this unique science or weapon. Anything else is pure assumption. And if you had an ounce of intelligence--which, considering your persistant aggressiveness in other posts, I seriously doubt--you would have read the other posts where I explain this.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] UK II DeffDeala actually the new ones fly :D[/quote] Mind=Blown lol, I haven't seen any of the new Doctor Whos.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners. [/quote] Bwahaha, it's a no-brainer you would take vague comments on the Precursors and attempt to use it in an argument. How about you start providing ACTUAL evidence that the Precursors are a threat to the Daleks? The TV series Daleks are out of the Forerunners league, but the EU Daleks are in a whole different league completely.

The Halo Array works by destroying the [central nervous system] so basically anything with complex thought

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] wildnuke [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] wildnuke [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Evil 37 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.[/quote] That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.[/quote] Or has a reasonable basis in the story. Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, [i] perfect [/i] technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy. The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners. Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.[/quote] This is the way I see it; Daleks > forerunners Timelords or (either one) Trancendal beings > Precursors[/quote] Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them. It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology. ^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors[/quote] Forget about harming them..... Timelords would just use the de-mat gun to erase them from space and time. As for trancendal beings, they can just eat away at thier excistence (literally) or the Eternals just do what they want with them[/quote] Paradox or wouldn't work at all. Precursors appear to be unbounded by the laws of the universe, such as gravity, inertia, energy transferance and even time itself as they don't age and it has no effect on their technology. The very nature of their invincibility proves this. Also consider the Forerunners could alternate between universes (the friggin' UNSC could too). But in the FR's case, its multiple universes rather then just two. Now consider the Precursors make Forerunners look insignificant (said in Cryptum by Bornstellar). It appears that Precursors were multidimensional, maybe even being a theoretical Type V civilization (that is to say, write the very rules on physics. We already know they existed outside physics and could bend reality to their will). By contrast, the Doctor himself states they were the ultimate Type IV civilization, an entire level beneath the likely level of the Precursors. As the de-mat gun operates under the rules of time, and Precursors are unbounded by...well, really any rules, the de-mat would likely not work. Either that or it would create another eternal condunrum paradox, where it can't have any affect on the Precursors, but at the same time it can.[/quote] Then they would basicly be trancendal beings.[/quote] Pretty much. Ever consider the term "transentient?" It implies a higher level of consciousness inconceivable to humans. In this case, the Precursors and the very fabric of reality are one in the same. In Halo, the soul exists, in the form of consciousness. Neural Physics (Precursor science) is the science stating the mind and universe are completely linked, even that the universe is alive in its own way. Precursor technology is the soul, or consciousness of the universe. Eternally perfect and pristine in every sense of the word, the Precursors quite literally are the master-gods of reality. It would take only a weapon as unholy as the Halos to destroy the Precursors: they destroy the consciousness of the universe and any creature it touches. In essence, Halo is a soul killer.[/quote] Then that would imply [url]http://=tardis.wikia.com/wiki/gods of ragnorak] the Gods of Ragnorak would be considered "soul killers" because they create and destroy universes for entertainment[/url][/quote] The page doesn't exist. Though, in the context of Halo's rules, yeah, they would be soul killers. But that universe--whatever it is--isn't Halo. Universes in that universe don't follow Halo's sciences. Only Halo's sciences can defeat the Precursors. Everything else is simply pure assumption.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] wildnuke [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Evil 37 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.[/quote] That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.[/quote] Or has a reasonable basis in the story. Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, [i] perfect [/i] technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy. The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners. Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.[/quote] This is the way I see it; Daleks > forerunners Timelords or (either one) Trancendal beings > Precursors[/quote] Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them. It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology. ^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors[/quote] Forget about harming them..... Timelords would just use the de-mat gun to erase them from space and time. As for trancendal beings, they can just eat away at thier excistence (literally) or the Eternals just do what they want with them[/quote] Paradox or wouldn't work at all. Precursors appear to be unbounded by the laws of the universe, such as gravity, inertia, energy transferance and even time itself as they don't age and it has no effect on their technology. The very nature of their invincibility proves this. Also consider the Forerunners could alternate between universes (the friggin' UNSC could too). But in the FR's case, its multiple universes rather then just two. Now consider the Precursors make Forerunners look insignificant (said in Cryptum by Bornstellar). It appears that Precursors were multidimensional, maybe even being a theoretical Type V civilization (that is to say, write the very rules on physics. We already know they existed outside physics and could bend reality to their will). By contrast, the Doctor himself states they were the ultimate Type IV civilization, an entire level beneath the likely level of the Precursors. As the de-mat gun operates under the rules of time, and Precursors are unbounded by...well, really any rules, the de-mat would likely not work. Either that or it would create another eternal condunrum paradox, where it can't have any affect on the Precursors, but at the same time it can.[/quote] Then they would basicly be trancendal beings.[/quote] Pretty much. Ever consider the term "transentient?" It implies a higher level of consciousness inconceivable to humans. In this case, the Precursors and the very fabric of reality are one in the same. In Halo, the soul exists, in the form of consciousness. Neural Physics (Precursor science) is the science stating the mind and universe are completely linked, even that the universe is alive in its own way. Precursor technology is the soul, or consciousness of the universe. Eternally perfect and pristine in every sense of the word, the Precursors quite literally are the master-gods of reality. It would take only a weapon as unholy as the Halos to destroy the Precursors: they destroy the consciousness of the universe and any creature it touches. In essence, Halo is a soul killer.[/quote] Then that would imply [url]http://=tardis.wikia.com/wiki/gods of ragnorak] the Gods of Ragnorak would be considered "soul killers" because they create and destroy universes for entertainment[/url] [Edited on 02.01.2011 3:07 PM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] wildnuke [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Evil 37 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.[/quote] That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.[/quote] Or has a reasonable basis in the story. Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, [i] perfect [/i] technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy. The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners. Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.[/quote] This is the way I see it; Daleks > forerunners Timelords or (either one) Trancendal beings > Precursors[/quote] Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them. It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology. ^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors[/quote] Forget about harming them..... Timelords would just use the de-mat gun to erase them from space and time. As for trancendal beings, they can just eat away at thier excistence (literally) or the Eternals just do what they want with them[/quote] Paradox or wouldn't work at all. Precursors appear to be unbounded by the laws of the universe, such as gravity, inertia, energy transferance and even time itself as they don't age and it has no effect on their technology. The very nature of their invincibility proves this. Also consider the Forerunners could alternate between universes (the friggin' UNSC could too). But in the FR's case, its multiple universes rather then just two. Now consider the Precursors make Forerunners look insignificant (said in Cryptum by Bornstellar). It appears that Precursors were multidimensional, maybe even being a theoretical Type V civilization (that is to say, write the very rules on physics. We already know they existed outside physics and could bend reality to their will). By contrast, the Doctor himself states they were the ultimate Type IV civilization, an entire level beneath the likely level of the Precursors. As the de-mat gun operates under the rules of time, and Precursors are unbounded by...well, really any rules, the de-mat would likely not work. Either that or it would create another eternal condunrum paradox, where it can't have any affect on the Precursors, but at the same time it can.[/quote] Then they would basicly be trancendal beings.[/quote] Pretty much. Ever consider the term "transentient?" It implies a higher level of consciousness inconceivable to humans. In this case, the Precursors and the very fabric of reality are one in the same. In Halo, the soul exists, in the form of consciousness. Neural Physics (Precursor science) is the science stating the mind and universe are completely linked, even that the universe is alive in its own way. Precursor technology is the soul, or consciousness of the universe. Eternally perfect and pristine in every sense of the word, the Precursors quite literally are the master-gods of reality. It would take only a weapon as unholy as the Halos to destroy the Precursors: they destroy the consciousness of the universe and any creature it touches. In essence, Halo is a soul killer.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] wildnuke [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Evil 37 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.[/quote] That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.[/quote] Or has a reasonable basis in the story. Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, [i] perfect [/i] technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy. The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners. Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.[/quote] This is the way I see it; Daleks > forerunners Timelords or (either one) Trancendal beings > Precursors[/quote] Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them. It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology. ^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors[/quote] Forget about harming them..... Timelords would just use the de-mat gun to erase them from space and time. As for trancendal beings, they can just eat away at thier excistence (literally) or the Eternals just do what they want with them[/quote] Paradox or wouldn't work at all. Precursors appear to be unbounded by the laws of the universe, such as gravity, inertia, energy transferance and even time itself as they don't age and it has no effect on their technology. The very nature of their invincibility proves this. Also consider the Forerunners could alternate between universes (the friggin' UNSC could too). But in the FR's case, its multiple universes rather then just two. Now consider the Precursors make Forerunners look insignificant (said in Cryptum by Bornstellar). It appears that Precursors were multidimensional, maybe even being a theoretical Type V civilization (that is to say, write the very rules on physics. We already know they existed outside physics and could bend reality to their will). By contrast, the Doctor himself states they were the ultimate Type IV civilization, an entire level beneath the likely level of the Precursors. As the de-mat gun operates under the rules of time, and Precursors are unbounded by...well, really any rules, the de-mat would likely not work. Either that or it would create another eternal condunrum paradox, where it can't have any affect on the Precursors, but at the same time it can.[/quote] Then they would basicly be trancendal beings.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] wildnuke [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Evil 37 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.[/quote] That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.[/quote] Or has a reasonable basis in the story. Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, [i] perfect [/i] technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy. The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners. Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.[/quote] This is the way I see it; Daleks > forerunners Timelords or (either one) Trancendal beings > Precursors[/quote] Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them. It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology. ^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors[/quote] Forget about harming them..... Timelords would just use the de-mat gun to erase them from space and time. As for trancendal beings, they can just eat away at thier excistence (literally) or the Eternals just do what they want with them[/quote] Paradox or wouldn't work at all. Precursors appear to be unbounded by the laws of the universe, such as gravity, inertia, energy transferance and even time itself as they don't age and it has no effect on their technology. The very nature of their invincibility proves this. Also consider the Forerunners could alternate between universes (the friggin' UNSC could too). But in the FR's case, its multiple universes rather then just two. Now consider the Precursors make Forerunners look insignificant (said in Cryptum by Bornstellar). It appears that Precursors were multidimensional, maybe even being a theoretical Type V civilization (that is to say, write the very rules on physics. We already know they existed outside physics and could bend reality to their will). By contrast, the Doctor himself states they were the ultimate Type IV civilization, an entire level beneath the likely level of the Precursors. As the de-mat gun operates under the rules of time, and Precursors are unbounded by...well, really any rules, the de-mat would likely not work. Either that or it would create another eternal condunrum paradox, where it can't have any affect on the Precursors, but at the same time it can.

I would say The Daleks, by implication from what they did.

Daleks

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] wildnuke [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Evil 37 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.[/quote] That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.[/quote] Or has a reasonable basis in the story. Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, [i] perfect [/i] technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy. The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners. Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.[/quote] This is the way I see it; Daleks > forerunners Timelords or (either one) Trancendal beings > Precursors[/quote] Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them. It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology. ^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors[/quote] Forget about harming them..... Timelords would just use the de-mat gun to erase them from space and time. As for trancendal beings, they can just eat away at thier excistence (literally) or the Eternals just do what they want with them

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them. It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology. ^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors[/quote] The Time Lords could just use the De-Mat gun that the Doc used to seal the Medusa Cascade and end the Time War, effectively it would remove the Precursors from having ever existed.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] wildnuke [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mr Evil 37 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 The fact the Daleks still cannot be killed (over the past 47/48 years) means they would win. :P In all seriousness, tech in the DW universe would annihilate Halo's.[/quote] That's because tech in the Halo universe is actually vaguely realistic and plausible.[/quote] Or has a reasonable basis in the story. Precursors, represented to be the perfect, nearly holy race by their shear, well, [i] perfect [/i] technology, are presumambly dethroned by a race of egomaniacs who are unconcerned with life (ironically). Power has blinded the Forerunners and given them the unconcerned capacity to destroy the very fabrication of life and consciousness in an entire galaxy. The Precursors would stomp the Daleks, but the Daleks beat the Forerunners. Of course, take away the time travel factor and it'd be more interesting. But as it stands, Daleks win.[/quote] This is the way I see it; Daleks > forerunners Timelords or (either one) Trancendal beings > Precursors[/quote] Except Precursors and their technology are immortal, eternal, invincible or however else you can say it. You can't harm them. It'd be either a Precursor victory or an eternal conundrum paradox. But Precursors by definition can't lose to anything outside the Halo universe, as only Halo has the science and technology to destroy Precursor technology. ^^^because only Halo has the only weapon physically capable of harming the Precursors: the Neural Weapons. Daleks don't have that; NO ONE has that except the Forerunners and Precursors [Edited on 02.01.2011 2:18 PM PST]