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1/9/2011 5:07:05 AM
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Why are there dead Spartans on the level "Lone Wolf"?
If you never noticed, there are several bodies of dead Spartans on the last level of Reach.
I feel like people on this section would know who those Spartans are...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] privet caboose [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the n00b pwner [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostRyderCA941 no...Those spartans that are on the level Lone Wolf are Spartan-IIIs...Red team was comprised of Spartan-IIs[/quote] What proof do you have that those were spartan IIIs?[/quote] Well, according to First Strike/Fall of Reach all the II's were issued the same kind of armor. All the default Mark V that the Chief wore. [/quote] I've got the diary and a sketch of a Spartan 2 (Master Cheif?)during August 2552 is wearing MK. V armor that looks same to Halo Reach's base one (except that the helmet that the Spartan 2 had was the classic helmet. So yeah the Mk V's Base has been entirely retconned basically.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] halo3f3ak The real question shouldn't be "Why are there dead Spartans on the level "Lone Wolf"? But should be "Why wasn't a more easily defendable position chosen, and why is this position in the middle of nowhere apparently, and if it is an ONI base entrance (obviously hidden) why the hell wasn't any assistance granted.[/quote]Lack of choice I'd imagine. If the Covenant are already established in all the nearby defendable areas, or are cutting the Spartans off from them, there's not much they can do. On another note, I guess it makes sense that N6 would seek out the surviving Spartan teams in the area to fight alongside. I guess he just got there too late.
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Has anyone even put into consideration that the mission point is called Rally Point Omega where-as the other mission checkpoints are all alphas and bravos? Omega means final or end, hence "I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end." So my theory is based upon this name. Shortly after saving the Pillar of Autumn from that Covenant Cruiser Noble 6 receives a radio transmission with coordinates for surviving military units to regroup at. Now I know you ask well why aren't there more troopers and vehicles there? Truth be told (even though game cannon>book cannon) there should be, I honestly don't have a explanation why there are only mostly Spartans here. I personally agree that it may be the two teams that Kat refers to in New Alexandria. The real question shouldn't be "Why are there dead Spartans on the level "Lone Wolf"? But should be "Why wasn't a more easily defendable position chosen, and why is this position in the middle of nowhere apparently, and if it is an ONI base entrance (obviously hidden) why the hell wasn't any assistance granted.
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i hate all these little cannocal confusions its hard to tell whats intended and what isnt I was struggling enough thinking "Well noble team are on reach, understandable, theres not many left though" and Bam, SIII Graveyard Ugh, head hurts, gonna read the books again, see if it ellaborates
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn The day the Halo fanbase realize that Bungie hated the books Nylund and Microsoft wrote, and went against them because it suited them to do it, the sooner they'll realize that the books are not official Bungie-Halo canon and that the games make complete sense if you ignore all of the books/shorts not written by Bungie employees. I say this purely because you've gotta consider the politics behind all of this.[/quote] you do know wthout the books spartan 3's, prophets, how johnson survived and such wouldnt be known and what is a MVP or whatever you rank? [Edited on 01.11.2011 1:15 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn The day the Halo fanbase realize that Bungie hated the books Nylund and Microsoft wrote, and went against them because it suited them to do it, the sooner they'll realize that the books are not official Bungie-Halo canon and that the games make complete sense if you ignore all of the books/shorts not written by Bungie employees. I say this purely because you've gotta consider the politics behind all of this.[/quote] Bullshot. The books shaped the entire future of halo after CE. The books (nylund specifically) probably had more influence on the story then any single other thing. The description of mac cannons, hell they were probably even created by nylund. Every little detai about dr halsey, which they decided to make a major character in a game. All the quotes from the first half of halo 3 where cortana is reciting exact quotes from the book. Master cheifs re-entry to earth in halo 3. The very concept of armor locking was probably created by nylund. Spartan 3s. I think it is the complete opposite of what you think. I also think halo 2 and 3 would've turned out better if nylund was allowed to write their plots.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jmowen100 its were the UNSC dumped all the dead spartan 1's after the testing [if u read fall of reach u know what im talking about][/quote] Please stop friggin talking.
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The day the Halo fanbase realize that Bungie hated the books Nylund and Microsoft wrote, and went against them because it suited them to do it, the sooner they'll realize that the books are not official Bungie-Halo canon and that the games make complete sense if you ignore all of the books/shorts not written by Bungie employees. I say this purely because you've gotta consider the politics behind all of this. [Edited on 01.11.2011 12:54 AM PST]
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its were the UNSC dumped all the dead spartan 1's after the testing [if u read fall of reach u know what im talking about]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ken158 If you never noticed, there are several bodies of dead Spartans on the last level of Reach. I feel like people on this section would know who those Spartans are...[/quote] it is 2 show that spartans can die :[
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mutoid Log They're either S-IIIs from gamma team or S-IIs retreating to the Autumn.[/quote]
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OT: It's likely Gauntlet and Echo. There are 11 dead Spartan, if I recall, and that's effectively 2 teams worth. Conversely, it -could- be Red Team outfitted with salvaged MJOLNIR suits from Reach's prototype testbed. Reach is where the custom AA's spawned from. That's less likely, though. It's either Gauntlet/Echo, or even more S2's and/or S3's that fell defending -something- very important.
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[quote]Well the Spartan III's were trained in company's of 300 at a time, so its very possible it may have been Gamma members [/quote] No, because they'd be 13-14 years old in that case. There is no chance its Gamma. [quote]The Spartan II's wore that bulky armor where III's wore SPI armor up til Noble team. Next time you play through Lone Wolf take a look at the armor and see if its bulky or not, if you can see the outline of a persons leg or butt then its a III. However another idea is it could be Kat, Emile and the other members of your team. [/quote] What? What the -blam!- are you even talking about? First, Jorge is an S2 and has custom MJOLNIR. Same as the S3's of Noble. Any S3 that fit the genetic parameters of the S2 program were extracted early by Kurt and Mendez, given actual MJOLNIR, and used as real Spartans.....like most of Noble Team. As for it being your dead teammates....thats beyond imbecilic.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GanonSmash They're probably from Gauntlet and/or Echo teams, which Kat mentions after New Alexandria. Both were assigned to civilian evac defense, so it's make sense that it's them considering their location.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sierraone11711 The Spartan II's wore that bulky armor where III's wore SPI armor up til Noble team.[/quote]The Spartan IIs don't wear bulky armour. [url=http://www.haloreachtips.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/masterchief.jpg]Look at the Chief[/url]. That's standard armour from October 2552 onwards. Doesn't look bulky at all, nor the Mk.V in Halo: CE. If you're talking about Jorge, he wears field modifications on his armour.
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I thnk they are just illusions of N6, since he probobly knows that it'll be his resting place.
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Why is it so important who they are? They probably have nothing to do with anything other than to add in a creepy feeling that this is the place YOU DIE. You WILL die and there IS NOTHING that you can do about it. The books would make a great point to say that they are not part of any canon. Red team was split up all over the place and most were glassed or blown away nukes. Unless they got ONI'd, which is always possible since they could make anything disappear, and are spartan 3's, they are just for effect.
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Well, I personally think that they are a reference to all the spartans who died on Reach, and that the lone wolf level is just to show that Noble 6 died. It is, but those spartans are all red, so they may as just be Red Team. They are all color coded, right? Or are all spartan IIs green...
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In the cutscene at the the end of New Alexandria, Carter mentions about Spartans having been assigned to evac duty. Lone Wolf takes place at that evac site, where those Spartans died.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Techno Greek [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EchoGamer [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostRyderCA941 I don't think there's ever been a name for what group they were from. They're just a bunch of Spartan-IIIs that did what they were meant to do: Help fight the enemies of the UNSC[/quote] Goody, more Spartans being ONI'd into existance. Hoorah... Can we just say they're supposed to be Red team?[/quote]I like the idea of ONI nabbing Spartans at will for their personal, secret use. [b]It opens up new possibilities without damaging canon.[/b] OT: They're randomly generated. Kinda-sorta symbolic, kinda-sorta just a cool set-piece. [/quote] You're joking, right? Noble Team alone breaks canon, we don't need [i]more[/i] being pulled out of PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO to screw things up more, the whole point of the conclusion of those battles was that [i]every[/i] S-III (minus Tom & Lucy) died in a similar way to the battle of Thermopylae. Pulling out S-IIIs before the op is a terrible way of trying to cover up the fact that they shouldn't be alive. A few S-IIIs would be at least acceptable, but any more will just destory the point Nylund made.[/quote] Canon-wise, games have more weight than the books. I think that maybe the Spartan IIIs were the probably the few survivors and were tasked with defending the Pillar of Autumn from the Covenant. You didn't see them because you were too busy on the landing platform and too far away to see them anyway.
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They're either S-IIIs from gamma team or S-IIs retreating to the Autumn.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Techno Greek [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EchoGamer [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostRyderCA941 I don't think there's ever been a name for what group they were from. They're just a bunch of Spartan-IIIs that did what they were meant to do: Help fight the enemies of the UNSC[/quote] Goody, more Spartans being ONI'd into existance. Hoorah... Can we just say they're supposed to be Red team?[/quote]I like the idea of ONI nabbing Spartans at will for their personal, secret use. [b]It opens up new possibilities without damaging canon.[/b] OT: They're randomly generated. Kinda-sorta symbolic, kinda-sorta just a cool set-piece. [/quote] You're joking, right? Noble Team alone breaks canon, we don't need [i]more[/i] being pulled out of PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO to screw things up more, the whole point of the conclusion of those battles was that [i]every[/i] S-III (minus Tom & Lucy) died in a similar way to the battle of Thermopylae. Pulling out S-IIIs before the op is a terrible way of trying to cover up the fact that they shouldn't be alive. A few S-IIIs would be at least acceptable, but any more will just destory the point Nylund made.[/quote] Read Ghosts of Onyx carefully, Noble team is hinted at when Ackerson asks for Tom and Lucy to work for him. Thus Noble is still canon, though 13 more would certainly break canon.
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There are more dead Spartan's. They are all over the place. Those Spartan's were most likely fighting down under the Pillar of Autumn where those the Scarabs were. Or they were just there non-canon wise just to give you the feeling that ''this is it, your going to die''.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sierraone11711 could be a mix of II's and III's. The Spartan II's were sent planet side according to fall of reach and first strike. However it could be the ones that did not survive the augmentation according to Halsey's Journal ONI wanted the dead bodies for a different reason. The Spartan II's wore that bulky armor where III's wore SPI armor up til Noble team. Next time you play through Lone Wolf take a look at the armor and see if its bulky or not, if you can see the outline of a persons leg or butt then its a III. However another idea is it could be Kat, Emile and the other members of your team. Like everyone else says pick your poison but Bungie said in due time all will be set right for canon.[/quote]"but Bungie said in due time all will be set right for canon" when did bungie say this?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Techno Greek [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EchoGamer [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostRyderCA941 I don't think there's ever been a name for what group they were from. They're just a bunch of Spartan-IIIs that did what they were meant to do: Help fight the enemies of the UNSC[/quote] Goody, more Spartans being ONI'd into existance. Hoorah... Can we just say they're supposed to be Red team?[/quote]I like the idea of ONI nabbing Spartans at will for their personal, secret use. [b]It opens up new possibilities without damaging canon.[/b] OT: They're randomly generated. Kinda-sorta symbolic, kinda-sorta just a cool set-piece. [/quote] You're joking, right? Noble Team alone breaks canon, we don't need [i]more[/i] being pulled out of PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO to screw things up more, the whole point of the conclusion of those battles was that [i]every[/i] S-III (minus Tom & Lucy) died in a similar way to the battle of Thermopylae. Pulling out S-IIIs before the op is a terrible way of trying to cover up the fact that they shouldn't be alive. A few S-IIIs would be at least acceptable, but any more will just destory the point Nylund made.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] privet caboose [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the n00b pwner [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostRyderCA941 no...Those spartans that are on the level Lone Wolf are Spartan-IIIs...Red team was comprised of Spartan-IIs[/quote] What proof do you have that those were spartan IIIs?[/quote] Well, according to First Strike/Fall of Reach all the II's were issued the same kind of armor. All the default Mark V that the Chief wore. [/quote] True, but they could have made 'additions' like Jorge. Also, how could they be Spartan IIIs if alpha and beta are dead (with the exception of Noble) and gamma is on Onyx?
