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12/13/2010 12:28:46 AM
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Does 1 = .9999999.......
1/3 = .333.....
2/3 = .666.....
So does
3/3 = .999.....
or
3/3 = 1
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dream053 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] drummer0702 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dream053 Doesn't the same [i][b]general[/b][/i] concept lie with asymptotes: They're constantly approaching but never reaching 1, and are simply considered the same out of convenience?[/quote] They reach the line at infinity. [/quote]Is that a fact? I was taught that asymptotes were never reached.[/quote]0.999... is a limit. It would be the limit of the asymptote of the function of x as x goes to infinity.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dream053 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] drummer0702 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dream053 Doesn't the same [i][b]general[/b][/i] concept lie with asymptotes: They're constantly approaching but never reaching 1, and are simply considered the same out of convenience?[/quote] They reach the line at infinity. [/quote]Is that a fact? I was taught that asymptotes were never reached.[/quote] It's fairly common for a function to touch or cross its asymptotes.
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Hm. One of my solutions proven wrong. But if .9 continued forever it would never add that last tiny insignificant 1 that it needs to actually REACH 1. You could easily round it to 1. But it would never completely touch 1.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] drummer0702 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dream053 Doesn't the same [i][b]general[/b][/i] concept lie with asymptotes: They're constantly approaching but never reaching 1, and are simply considered the same out of convenience?[/quote] They reach the line at infinity. [/quote]Is that a fact? I was taught that asymptotes were never reached.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kkman4evah [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mister Math [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EchoOfSilence 1 I don't believe it. Try and [rove it all you want, but I simply don't believe 0.99999.. = 1.[/quote]Then you're simply wrong. We're dealing with mathematical facts, so you have to prove what you say. Put up or shut up. [/quote]Think this. If there is no number between 0.9999..... and 1, then what about 0.0000.....1?[/quote]That is not a number. You can't have a 1 after infinite 0s, because the 0s never end.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dream053 Doesn't the same [i][b]general[/b][/i] concept lie with asymptotes: They're constantly approaching but never reaching 1, and are simply considered the same out of convenience?[/quote] They reach the line at infinity.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine I have only been bashed for thinking on a plain outside our universe[/quote] LOL. U high bro?
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Doesn't the same [i][b]general[/b][/i] concept lie with asymptotes: They're constantly approaching but never reaching 1, and are simply considered the same out of convenience?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kkman4evah Think this. If there is no number between 0.9999..... and 1, then what about 0.0000.....1?[/quote] You can't have a number after an infinite amount of zeros.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kkman4evah [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mister Math [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EchoOfSilence 1 I don't believe it. Try and [rove it all you want, but I simply don't believe 0.99999.. = 1.[/quote]Then you're simply wrong. We're dealing with mathematical facts, so you have to prove what you say. Put up or shut up. [/quote]Think this. If there is no number between 0.9999..... and 1, then what about 0.0000.....1?[/quote] That number is a mathematical impossibility. [Edited on 12.12.2010 8:20 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mister Math [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EchoOfSilence 1 I don't believe it. Try and [rove it all you want, but I simply don't believe 0.99999.. = 1.[/quote]Then you're simply wrong. We're dealing with mathematical facts, so you have to prove what you say. Put up or shut up. [/quote]Think this. If there is no number between 0.9999..... and 1, then what about 0.0000.....1?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine I have only been bashed for thinking on a plain outside our universe, however, the only reason I have gone there is because some people are unwilling to see that their idea of .9999.... = 1 can not be proven without a doubt, and that it is an intensely debated topic which only future science will expose.[/quote] Looks as though we're starting to wear him down, guys.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine I have only been bashed for thinking on a plain outside our universe, however, the only reason I have gone there is because some people are unwilling to see that their idea of .9999.... = 1 can not be proven without a doubt, and that it is an intensely debated topic which only future science will expose.[/quote]1+1=3 please prove that wrong. [Edited on 12.12.2010 8:16 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] petarded2 General Guideline: If you've explained your case, and the person is still illogically ranting and calling you an idiot, either ignore him or leave. One person is not worth posting nineteen pages of redundant crap.[/quote] [url=http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://blogs.technet.com/photos/gray_knowlton/images/2998979/original.aspx&imgrefurl=http://blogs.technet.com/b/gray_knowlton/archive/2008/03/14/someone-is-wrong-on-the-internet.aspx&h=458&w=422&sz=21&tbnid=zbNXRjjakhUxOM:&tbnh=128&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsomeone%2Bis%2Bwrong%2Bon%2Bthe%2Binternet&zoom=1&q=someone+is+wrong+on+the+internet&usg=__dfyf-TJDuSKEsDolMSDPVObPKJw=&sa=X&ei=7Z0FTZq4MYP78Ab28NTpAg&ved=0CCAQ9QEwAQ]:([/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EnderJSV [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] drummer0702 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine There was evidence the world was flat, and logic confirming it.[/quote] You just made a costly mistake. Please direct me to this evidence.....Pretty please![/quote] I'm not going to waste my time googling an article, so shart and sweet. Since no one could navigate the alantic and no ships ever returned from their journy out there, they assumed that it just fell off. Kind of like you just assume that since todays math leads to the idea that .9999.... = 1, it must be true.[/quote] You have yet to reply to any of my other questions about your logic. So I'll ask you one more time in very simple terms. Do you believe 2+2 is 4? If so, then would accept my argument if I said 2+2 can equal 5 because anything can be disproved in the future?[/quote] 2+2 do2 equal 4. 2+2 can at a point uncomprehensable by our standards be equal to 5[/quote] Fine. Then we can come to an agreement. 1 DOES equal .999... except in magical fairy land where we are all purple frogs that sing Christmas carols. argument over.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine I have only been bashed for thinking on a plain outside our universe, however, the only reason I have gone there is because some people are unwilling to see that their idea of .9999.... = 1 can not be proven without a doubt, and that it is an intensely debated topic which only future science will expose.[/quote] It has been proved four different ways. Meanwhile, your way hasn't been proven once.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine 2+2 do2 equal 4. 2+2 can at a point uncomprehensable by our standards be equal to 5[/quote] Actually there's a proof that 2+2=4 [url=http://us.metamath.org/mpegif/mmset.html#trivia]right here[/url] that goes right down to the fundamental axioms of logic and mathematics. It does not, nor will it ever, equal 5.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] elmicker 19 pages? [i]really?[/i][/quote]General Guideline: If you've explained your case, and the person is still illogically ranting and calling you an idiot, either ignore him or leave. One person is not worth posting nineteen pages of redundant crap. [i]~We're one, but we're not the same...[/i] [Edited on 12.12.2010 8:15 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine 2+2 do2 equal 4. 2+2 can at a point uncomprehensable by our standards be equal to 5[/quote] We've been trolled for the past 10 pages.
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I have only been bashed for thinking on a plain outside our universe, however, the only reason I have gone there is because some people are unwilling to see that their idea of .9999.... = 1 can not be proven without a doubt, and that it is an intensely debated topic which only future science will expose.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] drummer0702 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine I'm not going to waste my time googling an article, so shart and sweet. Since no one could navigate the alantic and no ships ever returned from their journy out there, they assumed that it just fell off. Kind of like you just assume that since todays math leads to the idea that .9999.... = 1, it must be true.[/quote] Assuming=/= Evidence. This confirmed that you're just trolling at this point. [/quote] Your assuming your evidence is proven to be 100% incorruptable. Everything can be, and will be (if not already) questioned with harder found evidence,until something else comes along once again to refute that.[/quote] Listen, you're living in the world of philosophy. Yes, in some mind warp kind of way NOTHING can be accepted as true. Maybe we're all dreaming, living in the matrix. Maybe you're the only one who actually exists and everyone else is a product of hallucination. But that's not a very practical way to live, is it? When I'm standing on the edge of a cliff, I'm not thinking about the infinite possibilities of what could happen to me if I step off. No, I'm just thinking about all the evidence that would suggest stepping off would be bad. Facts aren't concerned with unprovable hypothetical situations. Facts are only concerned with what's provable. And 1=.999... IS provable.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] drummer0702 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine There was evidence the world was flat, and logic confirming it.[/quote] You just made a costly mistake. Please direct me to this evidence.....Pretty please![/quote] I'm not going to waste my time googling an article, so shart and sweet. Since no one could navigate the alantic and no ships ever returned from their journy out there, they assumed that it just fell off. Kind of like you just assume that since todays math leads to the idea that .9999.... = 1, it must be true.[/quote] There was no evidence that the world is flat because it is NOT flat. There was only speculation. An "infinitesimally decreasing value" is pure speculation on your part.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine Since I am thinking outside the standard I am the majority?[/quote] How did you just get that from what I'm saying? I'm saying you were criticizing the people of ancient times because they believed something that they had no proof to back and ignored people with facts. I'm saying that you're doing just that right now.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EnderJSV [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] drummer0702 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine There was evidence the world was flat, and logic confirming it.[/quote] You just made a costly mistake. Please direct me to this evidence.....Pretty please![/quote] I'm not going to waste my time googling an article, so shart and sweet. Since no one could navigate the alantic and no ships ever returned from their journy out there, they assumed that it just fell off. Kind of like you just assume that since todays math leads to the idea that .9999.... = 1, it must be true.[/quote] You have yet to reply to any of my other questions about your logic. So I'll ask you one more time in very simple terms. Do you believe 2+2 is 4? If so, then would accept my argument if I said 2+2 can equal 5 because anything can be disproved in the future?[/quote] 2+2 do2 equal 4. 2+2 can at a point uncomprehensable by our standards be equal to 5
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine I am thinking[/quote]Lol.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] drummer0702 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jyrine The greeks understanding of this was disregarded for hundreds of years. Learn history, dumbass.[/quote] You're doing exactly what the world did back then. You're ignoring facts... We're the Greeks and you're the ignorant fools. [/quote] Since I am thinking outside the standard I am the majority?[/quote]Good point. And the power lies with the majority.
