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12/11/2010 2:25:09 AM
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Covenant Elite(halo) vs. Krogan(mass effect)
An Elite(7 ft 4 in average) vs a Krogan(7 ft average). Hand to hand only. No weaponry. Elite has the training of a Zealot.
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[quote]Elites armor does not increase their strength, and they are not 7'2" on average. They are 8'6" on average, as stated in the Halo one manual as well as seen in reach. They were shortened in Halo 2 and 3 to balance them in multiplayer. I'd like to know were you heard they have strength enhanced armor. As this would not make sense as they don't wear gantlets which would make enhanced strength redundant as there hands are bear so they wouldn't be able to hit or lift things more than they could naturally, because they would need enhanced strength in there hands to be able to grip and hold onto heavier objects[/quote] THANK YOU SON. You and me are on the right page. I say excatly the same things about their mulitplayer scale done and that they're 8'6". I agree with you on so may levels mate. [Edited on 01.28.2011 6:17 PM PST]
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Hold it where dose it say the armour increases their strenght like sparatans?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XenoAttackin So having no gauntlets make them half naked? Play Reach look at there hands, you can see their claws uncovered by anything.[/quote] I tend to always think of the Pre Halo Reach Elites when thinking about this. They wore a skinsuit over their hands/body. If we are speaking about Reach, then go to the Universe Forum, find Privet Caboose's thread about Reach Inconsistencies and add this to the list of many, many things in Reach that do not make any sense whatsoever. This is fairly small in comparison to some things though. The fact is, is that they get artificial strength and agility enhancements from it. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XenoAttackin Bestiarium was in halo 3 when they were scaled down, again Halo 1 and Reach 8'6". Halo Encyclopaedia? I hope your not talking about Wiki the sight anyone can write on. [/quote] No, the official Halo Encyclopaedia. Look it up on Google, Amazon, etc etc. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XenoAttackin It's also stated in the Novels that Elites natural strength is equal to that of a armored spartan. [/quote] I do not remember anything of the sort specified. All I remember reading about are fights between armoured Spartans and armoured Elites, with no reference to the Elites natural strength. Can you tell me the specific book and page number please, thanks. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XenoAttackin Halo Encyclopedia was garbage they messed up so much information in that thing. There were so many errors in information from that thing, like the brute ranking system in that was completely wrong. [/quote] That is not a rebuttal. Find some evidence to support the contrary and I will consider this. The fact is that no information exists concerning this area. The Encyclopaedia is the only thing to mention the armour aspect. It is not specified as being otherwise anywhere else in canon. There is no reason to discriminate one fact based upon a few errors in a book of 300 pages. By that logic you may as well toss away all the Halo novels seeing as they contain typos and prior retcons. [Edited on 01.23.2011 9:17 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XenoAttackin Elites armor does not increase there strength, and are not 7'2" on average. They are 8'6" on average, as stated in the Halo one manual as well as seen in reach. They were shortened in Halo 2 and 3 to balance them in multiplayer. I'd like to know were you heard they have strength enhanced armor. As this would not make sense as they don't wear gantlets which would make enhanced strength redundant as there hands are bear so they wouldn't be able to hit or lift things more than they could naturally, because they would need enhanced strength in there hands to be able to grip and hold onto heavier objects.[/quote] The Halo Encyclopaedia states it a few times, both when actually describing their armour and when comparing it to the Brutes armour. Their armour augments their strength. End of. They also wear a skin-suit of some sort, that is what those black areas actually are; a part of their armour. You do not actually think that they run around half naked do you, considering how they consider that culturally taboo like us? It also takes the Bestiarium number of 7' rather than the Halo CE manual height of 8'6". It appears that that has been retconned; it has never been stated since CE came out 10 years ago.[/quote]So having no gauntlets make them half naked? Play Reach and look at there hands, you can see their claws uncovered by anything. Bestarium was in halo 3 when they were scaled down, again Halo 1 and Reach 8'6". It's also stated in the Novels that Elites natural strength is equal to that of a armored spartan. Halo Encyclopedia was garbage they messed up so much information in that thing. There were so many errors in information from that thing, like the brute ranking system in that was completely wrong. [Edited on 01.23.2011 9:07 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheMouthOfSauron [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] L0ne Darky Games = Cannon, not books, elites > brutes.[/quote]The games are cannons?!?!?![/quote] Oh my god, please don't do this again.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XenoAttackin Elites armor does not increase there strength, and are not 7'2" on average. They are 8'6" on average, as stated in the Halo one manual as well as seen in reach. They were shortened in Halo 2 and 3 to balance them in multiplayer. I'd like to know were you heard they have strength enhanced armor. As this would not make sense as they don't wear gantlets which would make enhanced strength redundant as there hands are bear so they wouldn't be able to hit or lift things more than they could naturally, because they would need enhanced strength in there hands to be able to grip and hold onto heavier objects.[/quote] The Halo Encyclopaedia states it a few times, both when actually describing their armour and when comparing it to the Brutes armour. Their armour augments their strength. End of. They also wear a skin-suit of some sort, that is what those black areas actually are; a part of their armour. You do not actually think that they run around half naked do you, considering how they consider that culturally taboo like us? It also takes the Bestiarium number of 7' rather than the Halo CE manual height of 8'6". It appears that that has been retconned; it has never been stated since CE came out 10 years ago.
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Krogan have insane regenerative powers and can handle would-be-fatal injuries due to their redundant organ systems. As much as it pains me to say, Elites would lose in a straight up brawl. Elites would win in a full-fledge war, though.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee Elites have multiple sets of organs too. They are brilliant tacticians and they are raised on Martial Arts Combat. [/quote] Either 2 or 3 hearts they have. Other than that though nothing else is known about them or can be asserted.[/quote] Commander? Do you not think our people would be victorious?[/quote] Somehow I am a little dubious to the claims of a Krogan being equal to a Brute. A Brute is on average 9ft tall, 1500lbs of pure muscle. Tartarus was said to have been able to demolish a Hunter by the Prophet of Truth. They are faster than Spartan-IIs and Elites alike; They evolved on a planet with twice as much gravity as Earth or Sangheilios after all. They wear armour that weighs half a ton and offers no speed or strength boosts yet still remain pretty dangerous. Their joints were also described as being virtually unbreakable. They could tear apart a Spartan or an Elite with little effort. Krogans like this? Then the Elite ain't got a chance. Elites are on average 7'2", 318 lbs. They use armour similar to the Mjolnir systems in that it increases their strength and speed, making it impossible to know exactly how strong an Elite truly is. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XenoAttackin Elites can lift an armored spartan off the ground with one hand, that would be over 1000lbs of weight.[/quote] With their strength enhancing armour, yes. For all you know the armour could account for over half of that weight. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XenoAttackin They can also punch through concrete with ease.[/quote] Where has this occurred?[/quote]Elites armor does not increase their strength, and they are not 7'2" on average. They are 8'6" on average, as stated in the Halo one manual as well as seen in reach. They were shortened in Halo 2 and 3 to balance them in multiplayer. I'd like to know were you heard they have strength enhanced armor. As this would not make sense as they don't wear gantlets which would make enhanced strength redundant as there hands are bear so they wouldn't be able to hit or lift things more than they could naturally, because they would need enhanced strength in there hands to be able to grip and hold onto heavier objects. [Edited on 01.23.2011 8:43 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee Elites have multiple sets of organs too. They are brilliant tacticians and they are raised on Martial Arts Combat. [/quote] Either 2 or 3 hearts they have. Other than that though nothing else is known about them or can be asserted.[/quote] Commander? Do you not think our people would be victorious?[/quote] Somehow I am a little dubious to the claims of a Krogan being equal to a Brute. A Brute is on average 9ft tall, 1500lbs of pure muscle. Tartarus was said to have been able to demolish a Hunter by the Prophet of Truth. They are faster than Spartan-IIs and Elites alike; They evolved on a planet with twice as much gravity as Earth or Sangheilios after all. They wear armour that weighs half a ton and offers no speed or strength boosts yet still remain pretty dangerous. Their joints were also described as being virtually unbreakable. They could tear apart a Spartan or an Elite with little effort. Krogans like this? Then the Elite ain't got a chance. Elites are on average 7'2", 318 lbs. They use armour similar to the Mjolnir systems in that it increases their strength and speed, making it impossible to know exactly how strong an Elite truly is. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XenoAttackin Elites can lift an armored spartan off the ground with one hand, that would be over 1000lbs of weight.[/quote] With their strength enhancing armour, yes. For all you know the armour could account for over half of that weight. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XenoAttackin They can also punch through concrete with ease.[/quote] Where has this occurred?[/quote] If a normal human can do it (check any martial arts master) I don't know why an Elite would have any problem doing it. I mean, they're as strong as Spartans. You know, Spartans can peel iron doors apart as if they were an orange's skin.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Swiftkillswitch3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Vadam930 Sangheili ftw.[/quote] I love your coup! @Tuxker, he said in his OP that they were both basic except the Elite was trained as a Zealot. The Zealot can... hey, is their armor included?[/quote] A measly human killed many, many Krogans in Mass Effect. That human was Shephard. Shephard beat those Krogan to death, at least some of them. Shepherd is nothing compared to the Master Chief. Many Elites almost killed the Chief. Don't see why a turtle on steroids could beat an Elite. You guys are idiots. [Edited on 01.23.2011 8:35 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee Elites have multiple sets of organs too. They are brilliant tacticians and they are raised on Martial Arts Combat. [/quote] Either 2 or 3 hearts they have. Other than that though nothing else is known about them or can be asserted.[/quote] Commander? Do you not think our people would be victorious?[/quote] Somehow I am a little dubious to the claims of a Krogan being equal to a Brute. A Brute is on average 9ft tall, 1500lbs of pure muscle. Tartarus was said to have been able to demolish a Hunter by the Prophet of Truth. They are faster than Spartan-IIs and Elites alike; They evolved on a planet with twice as much gravity as Earth or Sangheilios after all. They wear armour that weighs half a ton and offers no speed or strength boosts yet still remain pretty dangerous. Their joints were also described as being virtually unbreakable. They could tear apart a Spartan or an Elite with little effort. Krogans like this? Then the Elite ain't got a chance. Elites are on average 7'2", 318 lbs. They use armour similar to the Mjolnir systems in that it increases their strength and speed, making it impossible to know exactly how strong an Elite truly is. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XenoAttackin Elites can lift an armored spartan off the ground with one hand, that would be over 1000lbs of weight.[/quote] With their strength enhancing armour, yes. For all you know the armour could account for over half of that weight. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] XenoAttackin They can also punch through concrete with ease.[/quote] Where has this occurred?
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Elite. You should not assume that Krogans are physically stronger than an elite, you are wrong. Elites are larger, stronger and faster. Elites can lift a armored spartan off the ground with one hand, that would be over 1000lbs of weight. They can also punch through concrete with ease. And Elite would rip the crest of a Krogans forehead and beat him to death with it. Also Biotics are extremely rare for Krogans.
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Krogan. And Krogan =/= Brute. Krogans are much smarter than Brutes... And they had to make it so that Krogan are virtually infertile just to win then war against them =/ And get help from the Rachni (if I remember correctly) [Edited on 01.23.2011 8:05 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee Elites have multiple sets of organs too. They are brilliant tacticians and they are raised on Martial Arts Combat. [/quote] Either 2 or 3 hearts they have. Other than that though nothing else is known about them or can be asserted.[/quote] Commander? Do you not think our people would be victorious?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ociee Elites have multiple sets of organs too. They are brilliant tacticians and they are raised on Martial Arts Combat. [/quote] Either 2 or 3 hearts I believe. Other than that though nothing else is known about them or can be asserted. [Edited on 01.23.2011 8:02 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TW InKoGnIto An average Elite is greater than or equal to a spartan (at least that's how it should be if I remember correctly). Considering how Krogans have 3 sets of organs, they could win just because of that. It would depend if the Elite knew that Krogans had 3 sets of organs, and was able to destroy all 3 pancreases or whatever. Other than that, I'm sad to say that I must give the win to the Krogan. It really comes down to intelligence and agility against pure endurance. I'm sure the Elite could scrape a win if it was able to out think the Krogan. [/quote] Elites have multiple sets of organs too. They are brilliant tacticians and they are raised on Martial Arts Combat.
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An average Elite is greater than or equal to a spartan (at least that's how it should be if I remember correctly). Considering how Krogans have 3 sets of organs, they could win just because of that. It would depend if the Elite knew that Krogans had 3 sets of organs, and was able to destroy all 3 pancreases or whatever. Other than that, I'm sad to say that I must give the win to the Krogan. It really comes down to intelligence and agility against pure endurance. I'm sure the Elite could scrape a win if it was able to out think the Krogan. [Edited on 01.23.2011 7:53 PM PST]
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Krogan are [i]much[/i] stronger than Elites.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DeaTH KNigHT 427 Can leap up to 40 feet in one bound.[/quote] [i]What[/i]? Explain how you arrived at this conclusion, please.
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elites are more agile, krogans are stronger.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] THX Elites have actual claws.[/quote] I don't wanna know what game you've been playing.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BillThePenguin3 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScoutedSoldier Old thread but... [url=http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/273/8/f/gruntpocalypse_color_by_imaginedshadow-d2zsb3h.jpg]Somewhat relevant.[/url][/quote] Scouted, I am disappoint.[/quote] Why are you disappoint? THAT THING IS EATING THE DMR!!!!!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ScoutedSoldier Old thread but... [url=http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/273/8/f/gruntpocalypse_color_by_imaginedshadow-d2zsb3h.jpg]Somewhat relevant.[/url][/quote] Scouted, I am disappoint.
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Old thread but... [url=http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/273/8/f/gruntpocalypse_color_by_imaginedshadow-d2zsb3h.jpg]Somewhat relevant.[/url]
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Krogan don't seem to be as manueverable and agile as Elites. You can have all the brute force in the world, but that won't do much good against a foe who has a balance of strength and speed.
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Elite
