[quote]Renegades was a great drop. There are issues and the game is different now but this was opportunity to build playerbase trust again. It’s been squandered.[/quote]
Renegades is great for people who play the game. More Destiny to consume. Does nothing to bring new people in though. Story is a follow up to Edge of Fate and not a Greta starting point narratively or gameplay wise.
The franchise will decline unless they give new people a starting point.
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Edited by xbroggiex: 2/10/2026 3:17:11 AMIf Bungie did a Destiny 3 or kept going with D2 it would still be bogged down by the last 10+ years of story. There is really no way to do a good new player starting point. It basically boils down to 2 things that can be done... 1. They do a massive overhaul to D2 or "D3" where they drop the 2 and have all the story content put all into one game. All the locations, missions, strikes and quests. Then the new players would start at the beginning of where D1 starts and work all the way to the current plot. This is never going to happen but its the only thing that would reasonably work. People want to play and experience the story in a video game and not told it. 2. They do a soft reboot of Destiny's story with a D3 with us travelling to a different timeline and starting from the very beginning again in the Cosmodrome and introduce everything again with some changes and retcons to keep some sense of mystery alive. Things like getting rid of The Witness as the main antagonist, rasputin not being dead etc. No other ways tbh. If they continue without doing one of these 2 things they will have to constantly context dump onto the player with constant summaries. Ignoring the current story threads isn't an option either.
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[quote]If Bungie did a Destiny 3 or kept going with D2 it would still be bogged down by the last 10+ years of story. There is really no way to do a good new player starting point. It basically boils down to 2 things that can be done... 1. They do a massive overhaul to D2 or "D3" where they drop the 2 and have all the story content put all into one game. All the locations, missions, strikes and quests. Then the new players would start at the beginning of where D1 starts and work all the way to the current plot. This is never going to happen but its the only thing that would reasonably work. People want to play and experience the story in a video game and not told it. 2. They do a soft reboot of Destiny's story with a D3 with us travelling to a different timeline and starting from the very beginning again in the Cosmodrome and introduce everything again with some changes and retcons to keep some sense of mystery alive. Things like getting rid of The Witness as the main antagonist, rasputin not being dead etc. No other ways tbh. If they continue without doing one of these 2 things they will have to constantly context dump onto the player with constant summaries. Ignoring the current story threads isn't an option either.[/quote] They don’t need to reboot the franchise. Destiny 3 launching with a new storyline like how D2 did would be more than fine. The witness storyline is honestly very unimportant in the context of franchise appeal. There is still so much unknown stuff in the low to pull from. We don’t need another long overarching story like the fate sage is trying to be right after getting out of the light and darkness saga.
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Edited by xbroggiex: 2/10/2026 3:41:49 PM[quote]They don’t need to reboot the franchise. Destiny 3 launching with a new storyline like how D2 did would be more than fine. The witness storyline is honestly very unimportant in the context of franchise appeal.[/quote] It would still run into the same issues of needing to clue new players in to the context of characters, factions and events. Even if they tried ignoring a lot of plot threads it would just end up being an incomprehensible mess in the end. [quote]There is still so much unknown stuff in the low to pull from. We don’t need another long overarching story like the fate sage is trying to be right after getting out of the light and darkness saga.[/quote] There is still a few mysteries left in Destiny to potentially explore, but I don't think the current bungie can do them justice. Like the IX had all this buildup since Red War and when they are finally front and center its the most lame uninteresting thing imaginable. Its another problem with current Bungie writers where they constantly humanise everything because they just can't be bothered to write a character or faction that we simply don't understand and will never understand fully. Just take the Vex that gained independance for example. They didn't grow into something interesting, unique and ALIEN but instead just became like every other alien that Bungie have overly humanised. I honestly also think EoF threw too much exposition explaining what the Nine are and what they are capable of too quickly. They should've slowly revealed that stuff over multiple releases and let it simmer and actual build content around those things happening rather than just simply telling us.
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[quote] It would still run into the same issues of needing to clue new players in to the context of characters, factions and events. Even if they tried ignoring a lot of plot threads it would just end up being an incomprehensible mess in the end. There is still a few mysteries left in Destiny to potentially explore, but I don't think the current bungie can do them justice. Like the IX had all this buildup since Red War and when they are finally front and center its the most lame uninteresting thing imaginable. Its another problem with current Bungie writers where they constantly humanise everything because they just can't be bothered to write a character or faction that we simply don't understand and will never understand fully. Just take the Vex that gained independance for example. They didn't grow into something interesting, unique and ALIEN but instead just became like every other alien that Bungie have overly humanised.[/quote] Not really. Destiny isn’t a singular storyline. A player could have never played Destiny 1 and been more than fine joining Destiny 2. If they were interested in a deeper experience. It was there for them to go back to.
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Agreed. And we won't be going backwards. We've always been Guinea Pigs... even more so now. I'm sure you can see some of those markers now.
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Edge of Fate is a new starting point, both in history and gameplay loop wise BUT portal was clearly not well received and bungie clearly took too long to act on the community feedback.
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[quote]Edge of Fate is a new starting point, both in history and gameplay loop wise BUT portal was clearly not well received and bungie clearly took too long to act on the community feedback.[/quote] A new player will boot up the game and have no idea what’s going on. You still get started with a cutscene explaining the darkness and the witness. Despite the witness being dead now. How are they supposed to know to play EoF? And why would Kepler as the only destination grab people’s attention? Nothing that has been done has been good for new players to join. That’s the biggest thing this franchise needs. Destiny 2 will never have that. If there is no sequel, there will be no new players. Returning players too for that matter. And it doesn’t make sense to make a sequel right now while right in the middle of the fate saga.
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Yup they really backed themselves into a corner with the "living world" such things aren't bad but it needs to be done in a way to have a tutorial and fresh game starts have a neutral starting point to launch off of and start learning about the world... The kicker is a lack of context... the games NPC and mission interactions start with the assumption that you have already done all the things and are caught up with the many stories and factions up to the current expansion... It's very unintuitive and jarring so if a new player jumps in there confused being bombarded with information they don't understand and an actively repelling community that demands you KWTD right off the rip or get left behind... The community is much more than that for sure but it's the most common and visible side of destiny if you're looking for anything about destiny... And that's sad