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7/27/2025 3:12:04 AM
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Level grind sucks
The grind to 450 sucks. I wouldn’t mind it if we kept are levels but we loose 250 actually 350 because it will go up to max 550 later in a few months. It feels pointless to do because we all want t5 loot but we don’t get a chance till 450+.
It’s nothing more than artificial grind to get access to the things you actually want. It pads out play time for bungie for there metrics. This would be ok if I was farming what I really wanted but I’m not. Then once the season is over we get dropped back to 200 just to do it all over again.
That’s horrible because in all honesty most players will never make it to 550 or even 450 for that matter. It takes to long and burns players out. Making us have to play ridiculous hours just to then play more for the things we do want.
This is going to kill what little enjoyment is left in this game. It’s asking for MMO dedication when it’s not one. Either reduce the grind to 350 then mid way add the max to 450 or we keep 350 base between seasons. The insane amount of time required is just to much. Grind is fun when you are doing and getting what you want not when you gain access to what you really want only to do it all over.
In the 11 years of supporting this game I have never once thought about quitting but at this point how could I not. I play way more than average and I’m only at 319. I can’t imagine what the normal casual player is or will be at when the 6 months is up only to find out all there work and progress has been wiped out.
Humans have limited time on this earth and is the most important resource we have. Bungie know this and want only to waste as much of it as possible. That’s not ok period. Content creators need to talk about this and we need to have bungie respect are time. Other games exist outside of destiny and bungie is only hurting themselves with these anti player changes.
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I'm 240 and already feeling burn out from the power grind. I've just been playing other games instead of replaying the same mission over and over and definitely won't bother regrinding power every 6 months.
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1 ReplyExactly why I stopped playing. Did the campaign on all 3 characters and I'm out. Thousands of hours since day 1 but this is too far. I won't come back unless this is changed even though I know it won't. 11 years was a good run. On to something else.
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Expansions feel like a season, we got more from nether & I think we've been scammed tbh. The grind is so tedious because there's nothing else, there's no quests, nothing to strive for, barely even any new loot or armour, everything is very controlled & we've little choice in what we play or how we play. 98% of the game is irrelevant & 98% of players won't bother going past 300, it's pointless & mindnumbing
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4 RepliesSome people are just 2 weeks in and are already 300+.... i know its not meant for everyone but the grind doesnt seem to be that steep
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Yea it suck I'm just trying to get to Tier 3 and 4 screw tier 5 at this rate I don't even care because it's not even worth it IMO. Instead of keeping us on the wheel it's mind blowing that they didn't think of "Tier Infusion" *If you have a good Tier 1 or 2 armor stats but your tier.3 doesn't have the stats you wanted, giving you the option to infuse your Tier.3 into your Tier 1 upgrading it to Tier.3 with increased stats. *Same can be applied to weapons it's just that you get a random extra set of perks or grab the second roll of perk from the gun you infused it from. This would have saved us a lot of time but no they want us on that wheel with this flawed system. NM how they literally killed off core vendors besides zaval everything a mess man I can only dread on how grinding trials loot going to be 😑
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Edited by Discovery: 7/29/2025 6:17:15 AMI agree. And I also want to be a bit controversal here, (and I guess many hardcore players will disagree), but I would like Bungie to open up so it will generally be substantially easier to get good loot. Over the years they have made it more difficult to get good loot, good rolls, exotic weapons and their catalysts. For hardcore players that want to brag, it might be a good thing and feel like an achievement, but for the general player it means that more and more good loot will not be achievable to them due to it being locked behind too difficult or time consuming activities. As many people are leaving Destiny due to exaggerated grinding and too time consuming activities, opening up and make it easier in general, and easier to get good loot, some might continue play or even come back to Destiny. Would it not then make what hardcore players have grinded for pointless if everyone can get what loot they have? I would say no with the 6 months sunset that maskes old loot not so interesting anymore. And, hardcore players are still better players than a solo player that might play 2 hours a week, so even if the causal player might have a god roll weapon and meet the hardcore player in PVP, the outcome is pretty known anyway. Let players enjoy the little enjoyment there is in this game, instead of making things more and more difficult and alienate the largest player base.
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BUNGIE- do you really think players want to do repeat (not new) content over and over for 90 hours to get a tier 5 piece of gear only for it to be immediately nerfed during the next expansion? Gimme a break, these decisions scream lack of understanding of your player base. It is of NO surprise that you are failing yourselves and your loyal player base. You have to do better or you will continue to loose more players. Regrinding from 200-450 is not fun, especially since most of the content is not new.
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2 RepliesDon't worry, it'll only be a problem from the next update. Once everyone gets their levels reset, I guarantee 99.756% will say 'F that' and never grind again. #facts
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4 RepliesTotally agree. I bought, then asked for a refund. This entire expansion seems aimed at one thing, player engagement hours key permance indicator (KPI). Why do I think this? I've played for years and this expansion is a step too far in engagement hours KPI. It requires you to grind for 100s hours to be able to access tier 5 gear, then they reset you back down every 6 months, so you have to grind again to gain access? You have to use latest gear every season for extra damage and resistance? I have a family, I have a life outside D2. Don't farm me for time every 6 months for me to be able to START the gear grind I want with the tier 5s... then not let me use them next season... it's a joke. Greed gone too far. The same behaviour is present in exotic catalysts, that was too much for me already last season, light grind is an insane choice from every angle... except... if your main aim is to farm players for their time. So if the problem is the game exploits players, why is it like this? If I asked 5 whys to get to root cause I'd need to ask Bungie, but hypothetically it could be the below... Players exploited purely for their time at expense of enjoyment... why.?.. bad game design forces players to spend 100s of hours with no reward... why?.... engagement metric / key performance indicator (KPI) needs to be green? (players are the livestock/resource)... why.?... Bungie pay incentives are based on this KPI/? why?... that's what shareholders care about and no customer/player focused KPIs? Root cause = missing customer focussed metrics / KPIs. e.g. feedback ratings, enjoyment feedback, surveys... KPI priority order should change to CUSTOMERS (PLAYERS) --> EMPLOYEES --> SHAREHOLDERS in terms of KPIs. Don't start and stop with shareholders. Root cause = wrong KPIs Action to fix = Add customer KPI as top priority and link to Bungie employee incentives? Just ideas and theory. Hopefully our time is more respected in the future as players. I want to grind for gear, I don't want to grind 100s hours to be ALLOWED to grind the gear I want (tier 5), with my progress reset every 6 months and forced to use loadouts I don't want to use.
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3 Replies2 weeks in and Im tired of the grind. It's the same thing over and over. Im solo, so i miss out on lots of the fireteam stuff because who wants to run onslaught or battlegrounds solo. This is not a smart move. People are going to get burned out much faster if you even have the time to play as much as you need to play in order to level up to then reach 450 and get tier 5 loot you wont have long until its reset and you have to start it over. If we had a steady stream of fresh content I could understand how they could think this will work but once you have run the same stuff 20 times do you really want to run it another 20 times next week and the week after. Most people have lives and can't spend 10 hours a day grinding and its not a fun grind after the first week. Destiny is already in a bad place and im afraid this will be the slow death or the game because lots of people are just going to iut the game.
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2 RepliesEdited by Dooodley: 7/28/2025 12:34:36 PMI jump on, knock out two ops activities and jump off again, bored out of my mind.
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2 RepliesEdited by Killapete232: 7/28/2025 8:01:36 AMFabled story and latch completions should bring guardians to 300 Mythic story and latch completions should bring guardians to 400 450 from portal and conquests This would be the best streamlined grind and hope Bungie incorporates it into the game. The fact that fabled and mythic give no loot or reward progression towards power level at all is bad. This method would make doing fabled and mythic worthwhile and respect everyone's time commitment and keep players happy and progressing appropriately.
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2 RepliesAt this point I would be shocked if Bungie stays their current course with power level. There has been way too much backlash way too quickly.
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bungie has to be trying to kill their game. i refuse to believe a group of well-intentioned adults familiar with this game thought this change was a good one. sony cannot take over soon enough. trash game.
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7 RepliesI have made my peace with not wanting to put in the time of a second job that doesn't pay and I'm not ready to outright quit (yet) so my philosophy now is "chase the fun, not the numbers".
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You and me both, my friend. I’m not even 250 and I definitely play more than most. But this mindless power grind is literally killing my desire to play. I refuse to play portal garbage over and over again just to crawl to a pointless power threshold. Bungie is literally killing their own game, all to appease the -blam!- streamers they continue to listen to.
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Frankly the grind isn't the issue the rewards is the issue... The rewards you get through progression when you tackle harder modifiers the rewards don't improve you should be getting additional drops not the same drops as if you were 200. Example if you do a portal activity and you activated every negative modifier where the activity was 50 levels above you you should have the opportunity to get 5 additional drops included in the bonus drops your time should matter your efforts to complete a hard activity should matter it should not be very slow and unrewarding..
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1 ReplyEdited by NerfPaladins06: 7/28/2025 8:25:22 AMThey made buildcrafting easier in exchange for making power grind a nighmare. Once you get through mythic and complete the seal there's nothing fun to do. Imagine curating a playlist of like 10-12 things and thinking it'll be the most exciting -blam!- ever. Removing most of the strikes and adding these shitty remixes of lost sectors, some abandoned areas like early D2 missions and sunset seasonal/dlc areas like forges just with new enemies, and on top of that only a quarter of them have matchmaking 🤣 Bruh...
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As a new player at end of final shape. I’ve never been so mad with any game ever not even close. To go through all the hell of confusion and learning curves of this game to finally be at square one with a new xpac just to learn I’m already way behind and am won’t be able to get the gear I want until I grind for weeks is a slap to the face. Only reason I didn’t quit this game is because one friend got me a good loadout before I quit. How many new players and long term players have quit this game I wonder cuz holy -blam!- this gear grind is -blam!- -blam!-.
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8 RepliesWell, if it sucks then .... don't do it! They (Bungie) don't give AF as long as you play. So, if you treat them with the SAME respect....(Fill in the blanks matey)
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3 RepliesI truly don't understand you people. If you're given everything, why even play the game?
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1 Replyi wish the level grind was just removed permanently. the only thing i should have to worry about is the perks on my guns and the stats on my armor. i have to grind for 100 hours just for the privilege of grinding for stronger armor and weapons just for it to get reset in a few months and then its another 100 hours to be able to get better gear? bring back the crafting meta and make it easier to earn craftable weapons at this point
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New armor system, new armor stats, new activities, new weapons system, less than 2 months to get used to all of it and to learn it. Yeah, not the smartest move by Bungie.
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What are you talking about? How else are streamers supposed to create content on this game, if things can be done fast. Remember that this game is for them.
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2 Replies128 Days till everyone is forcibly reset to 200 (Those who got there anyways). So all that progress all that suffering all that grind, for nothing.
