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11/13/2010 2:56:54 PM
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Couldnt carter and jorge have used Armour lock?
I saw a post about how everyone in noble died and I thought that with the ways carter and jorge sacrificed themselves, they could have done both those things but survived if they had used armour lock, right?
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Jorge: Jorge was telaported and smashed. AL would not have saved them. Carter: Carter had too high of an impact. AL would have failed and he would still be dead.
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Last point is a sound idea, but reach happened before halo 1 mind? and master chief doesn't end up floating around that planet until the end of halo 3 (N)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Richard 060 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Green Chemist Didn't both S-117 and Noble Six both use armor lock to avoid dying on reentry? They came from space and landed on the ground and didn't die due to armor lock. I'm pretty sure a little pelican crash is minor in comparison.[/quote] Nope - they locked their armour. ;) Sounds facetious, doesn't it? Thing is, there's actually a difference! As for the original post...: Jorge: well, yeah - if he'd had it equipped. But then what? Either he got shunted into slipspace, with the rupture then sealing him in other-dimensional limbo, or just got winked out of existence when it collapsed into itself. Considering that he had no means of propulsion, and lacked the ability to re-enter normal space afterwards, it would have been impossible for him to escape that scenario - and that's taking the very implausible view that he survived the rupture in the first place. Carter: again, did he even have the AL module attached? And even so, by in-game rules, he was at the controls of the pelican at the time, and as we all know, you can't use armour abilites while driving/piloting a vehicle. (Besides, considering he dropped his helmet in the opening cutscene, would it even be safe, or still, even possible to use AL without full body coverage?)[/quote] What he said
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Slothful Koala [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Axelord FTW Armor lock really can be used on that sort of moving ground. [/quote]Jorge tells you to lock your armor while you are crashing in the Falcon.[/quote] When he says that, he means lock the gel layer of the armour like MC did at the beginning of Halo 3.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Slothful Koala [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] St Major Dan Am i the only one to notice Jorge doesnt have an armour ability? 0.o[/quote]I see him armor lock on Sword Base all of the time. [/quote] Wait really? I've never seen him do that, so i believed he didn't have one, because of his huge bad ass turret which would dissapear if he did armour lock.
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Well, no they couldn't. Lets say even if they did have Armor Lock at the time, Jorge would have still been caught in a Slipspace portal, getting sent far away. And Carter would have still fallen out of the Pelican on collision, most likely falling to his death, and if he survived, he would have been killed by ground troops, or the glassing process.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] St Major Dan Am i the only one to notice Jorge doesnt have an armour ability? 0.o[/quote]I see him armor lock on Sword Base all of the time.
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Am i the only one to notice Jorge doesnt have an armour ability? 0.o
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Axelord FTW Armor lock really can be used on that sort of moving ground. [/quote]Jorge tells you to lock your armor while you are crashing in the Falcon.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TalonOTW Even if carter could have used armor lock, maybe he chose not to. Given the fact that he was badly wounded and would have had to be left behind, maybe he decided going out in a big explosion of 'screw you' to the covenant would be better than sitting on the side of the road waiting for a bunch of elites to show up and gank him.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TalonOTW Even if carter could have used armor lock, maybe he chose not to. Given the fact that he was badly wounded and would have had to be left behind, maybe he decided going out in a big explosion of 'screw you' to the covenant would be better than sitting on the side of the road waiting for a bunch of elites to show up and gank him.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] REACH Recon but in the campaign on spire, you armour lock when the falcon goes down, so surely carter could have used it in the pelican?[/quote] You don't get Armour Lock, do you? It locks up the armour and increases the capacity of the gel layer to take a greater amount of damage, it is limited. Basically, crashing in to a Scarab in a Pelican that has just blown up and falling down a kilometer high canyon whilst mortally wounded... Armour Lock will mean bugger all.[/quote] Master chief falls at least 3Km and survives with- guess what- armor lock. Play the intro to halo 3 again. [Edited on 11.13.2010 9:37 AM PST]
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Armour lock wouldn't have protected Jorge as a slipspace bomb is really a teleport of sorts with a big explosion. Only one Armour Ability can be used at a time so mabey he didn't have it but I'm sure it would have been pretty impossible to ram that pelican into the Scarab while activating armour lock. Also armour lock is not unlimited so it would have ran out so if the explotion didn't kill him, the fall and the wreckage would.
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Well if armor lock can shrug off a moleculary bonded plasma grenade, then maybe! Carter prob survived Jorge got teleported the planet where Master Chief was floating at ;)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] REACH Recon but in the campaign on spire, you armour lock when the falcon goes down, so surely carter could have used it in the pelican?[/quote] I think he was mortally wounded, so he would have died regardless.
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Carter couldn't because his armor was fractured and he didn't have his helmet, so he couldn't use any shields whatsoever. George could've, but it'd be pointless because he was teleported to some random place by the bomb.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ktaylor2 [url=http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6432/baaaw.jpg]No. See the People in Team Noble were Heroes. And its well established fact that only douchenozzles can use armor lock to any degree of effectiveness.[/url][/quote] I have 196 Matchmaking kills with Armor Lock. It's well established that ramming your dumb vehicle into me while I'm invincible is quite ineffective.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Green Chemist Didn't both S-117 and Noble Six both use armor lock to avoid dying on reentry? They came from space and landed on the ground and didn't die due to armor lock. I'm pretty sure a little pelican crash is minor in comparison.[/quote] theres a difference between "locking your armor" and 'armor lock". stupid and confusing, but its there. I have a feeling theres only so much abuse AL can take, we just never get to experience it in the game. crashing a spaceship into a massive mobile weapons platform may just be passed that threshold. Use this argument, then carter could have theoreticly jumped from the pelican at the last moment and locked his armor to survive but maybe he just wanted to make sure he hit his target...and was lightheaded from the blood loss
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Even if carter could have used armor lock, maybe he chose not to. Given the fact that he was badly wounded and would have had to be left behind, maybe he decided going out in a big explosion of 'screw you' to the covenant would be better than sitting on the side of the road waiting for a bunch of elites to show up and gank him.
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Yes, Armor Lock certainly is powerful, but I would assume that it would not be capable of holding off a Slipspace Rupture. Carter... well, yes, that would be possible, but still. Everyone has to die. That is how the world works. Get used to it.
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Armor Lock won't stop you from suffocating in slipspace
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ninjakenzen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] REACH Recon but in the campaign on spire, you armour lock when the falcon goes down, so surely carter could have used it in the pelican?[/quote] You don't get Armour Lock, do you? It locks up the armour and increases the capacity of the gel layer to take a greater amount of damage, it is limited. Basically, crashing in to a Scarab in a Pelican that has just blown up and falling down a kilometer high canyon whilst mortally wounded... Armour Lock will mean bugger all.[/quote] Yes and i'm sure a banshee going at maximum speed hitting someone with AL had done bugger all. No way is it limited in game-play and the canonical explanation has not been issued, so all your points are invalid. Including your made-up point of gel layer mumbo jumbo. [/quote] Have you ever played Halo 2? Or Halo 3?[/quote] Or read any of the books longer than the manual? "His armor's locked up (meaning immobile, not the actual armor lock). It looks like the gel layer took most of the impact" And if you read the comic book that bridges 2 and 3, which is canon, or at least the one part is, He pulled scrap metal or a door off of the forerunner ship and jumped out of it as it was coming in. This acted as both a heat shield and a means of slowing the descent slightly. Edit: Also, when carter hit that scarab, pretty sure most of the pelican's ammo went up with it. [Edited on 11.13.2010 8:21 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ninjakenzen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] REACH Recon but in the campaign on spire, you armour lock when the falcon goes down, so surely carter could have used it in the pelican?[/quote] You don't get Armour Lock, do you? It locks up the armour and increases the capacity of the gel layer to take a greater amount of damage, it is limited. Basically, crashing in to a Scarab in a Pelican that has just blown up and falling down a kilometer high canyon whilst mortally wounded... Armour Lock will mean bugger all.[/quote] Yes and i'm sure a banshee going at maximum speed hitting someone with AL had done bugger all. No way is it limited in game-play and the canonical explanation has not been issued, so all your points are invalid. Including your made-up point of gel layer mumbo jumbo. [/quote] Have you ever played Halo 2? Or Halo 3?
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[quote]Nope. N6 had a re-entry pack. Master Chief on the other hand used a scrap piece of metal as a heat shield. He's just that awesome.[/quote] I think spartan II's had different armor lock where they just lock up their armor so they cant make movements...
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[quote]Nope. N6 had a re-entry pack. Master Chief on the other hand used a scrap piece of metal as a heat shield. He's just that awesome.[/quote] Nuff said [Edited on 11.13.2010 8:08 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Green Chemist Didn't both S-117 and Noble Six both use armor lock to avoid dying on reentry? They came from space and landed on the ground and didn't die due to armor lock. I'm pretty sure a little pelican crash is minor in comparison.[/quote]Nope. N6 had a re-entry pack. Master Chief on the other hand used a scrap piece of metal as a heat shield. He's just that awesome.
