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Edited by TomCruiseCantRun:
11/23/2024 10:53:05 AM
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Destiny 1 gave you experiences, Destiny 2 gives you tasks
I don't use these forums much so I have no idea about post ettiquete but i don't care that much. Sorry if you get into nerd rage.
Destiny cared about being more than a product. It was about you, as a human being sitting on your couch as a kid, not really knowing what life was, feeling like humanity could be something great, and pure, and recognising where we came from, while that music filled you with emotion. Just like halo emblematised its relative peak of society, and its aspirations and potential when it came out, so did destiny, being a selective mirror of the world at the time, and it's hopes and what it aspired to be. These games stir deep things inside you, even aspirations, if you're like me that's why you play them in part. There's something spiritual here. Destiny was a message delivered through the vehicle of a video game.
Destiny 2 is similar, it is a selective mirror of our even more modern world, and how we've changed, and honestly, how bungie's changed. That modern urge to provide consumptive activities at every opportunity, while good natured, and obviously financially beneficial, cheapens it, and the tonal consistency has taken a nosedive, with the witness looking like a character from you know which epic games multiplayer shooter directly contrasing those human values of integrity and breaking the perfect immersion from D1 by obviously following a market instead of standing its ground, not to mention the adoption of the gross increasingly disembodied "vacant" modern character animations. The taken king still pulls you in because it's a world, not an activity, and it had life breathed into it. You felt like you as the guy sitting on the couch were going into that throne world and personally violating that ship six ways to sunday. Every d1 expansion felt revelatory, like a seismic shift in a real universe and the design language was the strongest in essentially any game at the time.
I know this is probably a deeper reading, but these games hold up to deep reading, and they are built off of it.
Please don't flanderise and infantilise every character and interaction in the name of feeding a parasocial, unhealthily online community :) There's players who don't interact with online communities for a reason, and we don't want storytelling with that parasocial "lean".
So I'm just wishing that the studio comes back to its old philosophies, what it means to champion being the best of humanity in a slightly more modern world, and how to portray things like danger, power, connection to history, reverence, companionship, wonder, terror, and hope again :)
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I CONCUR!! D1 HAS TO BE ONE OF MY TOP 5 GAMES OF ALL TIME BEHIND COD: W@W, COD MW2 (THE OG) NOT THAT NEWER TRASH -blam!- GAME, AND BLACK OPS 2 THEN ITS D1 FOR SURE.... I WISH THEYD GET BACK TO THEM DAYS WHERE BUNGIE WAS ACTUALLY WORTH A -blam!- NOW THEY LIE TO US AND ARE AS USEFUL AS A -blam!- FLAVORED LOLLIPOP
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D1 was focused on fun D2 is focused on stockholders and money
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4 RepliesD1 was an expanding game… D2 is a hamster wheel. Relying on finding new ways for us to play the same old content. Like the Diablo series.
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6 RepliesOP is cringe worthy. 1. Says I don’t use forums often—Total BS 2. Calls fellow gamers nerds-means he’s 55 and is a nerd in real life. 3. Says I don’t care who gets enraged—He wants us to believe he is a rebel. Do I stopped reading. It’s like those guys who write I got a life. Dude it’s a forum. Only person you’re fooling is yourself.
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2 RepliesEdited by PandaPapa146: 11/24/2024 10:42:47 AMWhat this old tortoise knows… D1 was fun! The vibe was to get stuff done with a regular bunch of mates from all around the world. Before reset…plunder the loot chests where the gargoyles roamed…on H / W / T…upon reset, acquire the blue hair flambé, then NFs / Raid…then do some PvP if still awake! Trials - to see if we could get some drops at 3 or 5…and reach 7 if one had the chops / inclination to do so! Then came the Sunset debacle…and D2 Beta / LS et^ al / D2…and the vibe changed… Friends List evaporated as the days dragged on. Players bounced. Me, too…hello WarFrame (MR24)… Some Time Later…a wave of nostalgia brought me back…but things were different now…D2 was not about ‘fun’ anymore…it was an overtuned hamster wheel fuelled by a cascade of bad decisions by the swamp denizens of the BHQ ‘C Suite’ - who even sacrificed their own worker bees at every turn…all driven by EverWorse motives. 🤑 My own engagement with the game became less and less…there was more stuff that I didn’t want to do than stuff that I did…🤔 I still loved the Destiny Universe - what was left of it…and enjoyed pootling about doing vanilla stuff on my basic vanilla builds. It was a familiar place for this old tortoise to spend some time catching up on nearly done titles / seals / triumphs / etc. And there’s only so many ‘cat’ videos one can watch…besides, surfing the U-tube videos and the Net, meant one was but a click or two away from potentially, inadvertently, heading down a wrong road…🚫📛🚫 So, in a way, Destiny was a relatively ‘safe’ space to while away a few hours. And being an old tortoise, I had lots of hours to while away…😁 That said, D2 was plagued by ongoing issues: P2P / Lag / Latency / C Suite shenanigans / Cheats / Glitches / spaghetti code / steam engine problems / silly missteps by BHQ / taking Guardians’ for granted 🤨 / etc…etc. Finally, TFS…did the campaign on just my H (normal mode)…did the epic 12-man mission 👌 And that basically closed the book for me…as my 10-year compact was now done! 😎 I’m still here…pootling about…just got Conqueror done (yay! It only took 10 years 😂)…and I’m just marking time…to see what Sony does or does not, to secure Destiny’s destiny. I have no clue about BHQ or what the reality is behind the garage doors…🧐…but I sure as heck know that I would not like to be a worker bee, there! IMHO: put D2 on life support mode…open the loot floodgates so players could have some fun; then announce D3 as a ‘work in progress’…upgrade and future proof it in extremis…put Gamer Devs and Executives in senior positions…engage with this Community in a responsible and respectful manner, and seek our input about what WE want to play and HOW WE WANT TO PLAY IN D3… Explore the best bits from other successful games and incorporate such into D3. Include a ‘Fast Pass’ option (think Ski Resorts / Theme Parks)…Player Trading…DRSs for PvP…a possible Subscription model…etc…etc. Any Guardian who has been around for more than a F2P minute* - is a Customer…and a Legend! Remember that, Sony / BHQ…👈 Otherwise… Winter’s coming…❄️🥶❄️ That is all. TLDR: 🖖 Ease Springs! 🫡 * edit ^autobot typo
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There are games who deliver what you want OP, but not Destiny 2 anymore. 2, in my opinion, is nothing more as a "heartless" instrument to prime consume and fear of loss. I'm sorry, for being this direct, but that's what it looks like to me. The game only exists off the ruins of its predecessor. It's sad, but Bungie changed the claim to challenge themselves as artists - to salesman with a mix of marketing instruments and formulas. What's left are horde modes everywhere and an Episode not even worth the announcement with what of story it delivers. It's just another horde mode with a few (story) fragments. Nothing substantial. Sorry, but Bungie overrated themselves monumentally. They disjointed their game only to recycle it again, and relied on microtransactions for balance. They had to dismiss their best staff. And now, they are without a core, depending on every decision to Sony. Pride goes before fall.
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5 RepliesD1 is not a fun game to replay. It's gameplay is pretty mediocre, story is worse than D2's, weapons are pretty basic even exotics with only a FEW exceptions, balance was all over the place, quality of life was missing, the only real advantage was the areas looked better but this mostly is because of the fog they added to try and hide issues. Turns out fog limitations end up making games look better.
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People only remember the good parts of D1 making it seem better overall.
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6 RepliesI love D1, and I'm happy it affected you so profoundly. I won't sit here and tell someone how they feel. My suspicion is that we might be looking at D1 with rose colored glasses. D2 in its current state is objectively better in every way.
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8 RepliesEdited by Hesh: 11/24/2024 11:03:16 AMHAHAHAH!! D1 was as much of a slog as the current Destiny! THAT’S the experience they focused on! The rose-tinted glasses you Bungo-lovers have for this shitshow IP’s mediocrity is baffling sometimes! Destiny’s only ever cared about one thing: keeping itself just barely alive so that suckers like you can keep Bungo trudging along! HAHAH! If Destiny was a “mirror” to anything, it was reflecting all the then-subtle signs of just how terrible it, its developer, and its community would become!! HAHAHAH!
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13 RepliesYes. My favourite destiny 1 experience has to be the 10 month long content droughts.
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2 RepliesI loved original destiny, especially house of wolves era. Destiny 2 is so much more of a better game, just being honest
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The thing is d2 actually offers alot more than d1 ever really did.. d1 caught our imaginations but we still moaned at Bungie for terrible decision making. I loved d1 but nothing will beat the forsaken d2 era for me. The story was interesting, the sand box was great, the pinnacle weapons were awesome, season of opulence was awesome and best of all no cross play, no steam, bearly any cheating (if any of pc) and the game ran silky smooth. D1 was great but we've moved on and can't get that back.
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you guys must’ve played a different Destiny
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It was all new and mysterious. Now the curtain has been moved and we’ve been doing the same stuff for years.
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8 RepliesEdited by PashWagon501: 11/23/2024 7:13:18 PMI don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain that D2 is superior to D1 in every single way (despite it's very many issues), but do you see that mountain over there? You can go there!
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You barely play the game anyway, leave the forums and be happy.
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2 RepliesDestiny 1 was built as a game, something to last, people still play it now. Destiny 2 was built as a service, built to drop content, milk it & move on. No one's buying D2 when it's over, there's no story, the seasonal stuff will be removed & everything else is just pointless filler with bad modifiers & delta scaling. Bungie moved with the Fortnite movement, as did many others, they sold their legacy for a few dollars more.
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Edited by Guardian, Archon Of Light: 11/23/2024 11:46:53 PMSomeone didn't do the Thorn quest on a Hunter I love D1, more than D2, but id be lying if I said it didn't have its chores and boring tasks, where do you think the term grinding comes from
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14 RepliesThis feels like it was written by AI.
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D1 back on the ps3 was epic, but D2 (pc) has given some amazing experiences, and let’s be real, D1 had tedious tasks as well that were just as annoying as tasks of today, rose tinted glasses fogging up your view.
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That was deep. I feel you brother.
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Amazing features like harvesting planetary materials for 5+ hours to upgrade a couple of guns, only to get slightly better rolls and repeat the cycle. Remember when the monument of lost light took around 300 of a planetary resource to pull from? Sure glad that got dumbed down to a resource gained from every activity so I can do tasks instead of features.
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2 RepliesIDK. Having plaid this franchise as a main since day 1, I think D2 is in a very good place right now. There are a ton of wild things working together. If you've taken a back seat a little, there is a ton of content. Now, some of the story..well..most of the story is dumb IMO. Witness was cool. D1 while nostalgic, and I'll never forget it, didn't have nearly the amount of content that we have today with D2. Not to mention the novelty of it all.
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There was also a feeling of us the player being brought into a world that is much further into our possible future. The understanding in the game that guardians don't remember their past. Yet we as players have the inherent perk of knowing since we are playing the game outside their world. Heck even our ghost in D1 at times was confused as to how we knew things of older technology and how to work them even though it didn't. It was even hinted at when D2 was getting interesting with the Envoy and The Nine talking about us the player. That seemed to have gone out the way side but I hold onto hope that this thread is pulled again as it is the only thing in lore that I still care about.
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Had to stop reading once you critiqued fortnite. Literally the biggest game in the entire world with constant free updates and fun events. Sure I'll agree the witness's design is abysmal but indirectly dissing them when they've done more for their playerbase than any other game in recent memory is a crazy hot take. Like do you guys live under a rock? Fortnite is what destiny should be as far as fun goes and events and activities.
