I keep this short and simple as a bright engram. Bungie's little contest race for dungeon was a clown car train wreck nuked from what's left of Bungie remembers pleasing their Sony overlords. Two Bungie should have learned from the black armory incident not to gate-keep stuff players paid for. And finally, They shouldn't disable any of the gear and supers so that the casual and novice to-season players could have a fighting chance agist the hardcore die-hard veterans.

Contest mode has been and will always be bad. It doesnt make the races more competitive, only makes the casual player base wait longer to play. If it was competitive then they wouldn’t handicap everyone. Raid races used to be one of the only legitimate competitions in the game. In an actual competition those who trained and prepare win. Now, not only does the same crowd win them anyways, but the larger player base has to wait to play. This all happened because a raid lair was beaten embarrassingly fast. If you want contest mode to be the only valid race for worlds first then fine. But at the bare minimum it should be optional when it releases

Well, why NOT have a contest for the dungeons? The top 1% get maybe 2 activities per year to actually be tested by the game. With dungeons, it's now 4. It honestly seems like an addition bungie should have made a long time ago. The contest experience didn't feel hollow or anything like that this time around. It felt like a genuine challenge for teams of good players to improve themselves. I don't see how it really harms any other players to wait 4-5 hours for the race to end. Especially when those "casuals" are people who have things to do outside the game. Isn't 5-6 pm a better start time than 12-1 pm for these individuals anyway?

As a player at very much the lower end of the scale and who has relied heavily on friends to get stuff done prior. Current Destiny "feels" out of reach. After 10 years of playing the game it feels like climbing a mountain again. Just a personal view and is why I no longer engage with the game. Before anyone posts, use fireteam, join a clan , ask on here. It isn't a case of players to play the game with but more it feels like that is more of a requirement than just booking a week end night to run the raid or GM NF etc.

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[quote]A new dungeon launch used to be something I would get excited for, and I'm still excited, don't get me wrong But as someone who does not have a consistent high end playgroup, that excitement is being dampened by the fact that I'm basically gonna have to wait two or three days to go and actually be able to run it. It's a kind of thing I can accept for raids, the contest race for raids is something that's very important to destiny, but this just feels... hollow. Kind of like an artificial attempt to try and replicate what raids have to make up for the fact that we're gonna be getting less raids every year, and it just doesn't feel like it works to me. And I am a relatively high end player, I can't imagine that the players on the lower end of the spectrum are happy about this. Dungeons are a sort of entry level end game activity for their sake, and this goes to muddy that a bit, in a way that I don't think is good for the game or the community long term. Edit: So I wanna make this clear, because I feel like it's important that I do given how much I'm already seeing you types come out of the woodwork (you know who you are). I do not agree with you guys on the streamer hate. I do not think we should be using streamers as a scapegoat for our problems, and that this community is so ready to attack itself and it's most prominent members is a part of why we are considered to be one of the most toxic communities in gaming right now. I do not want you guys here, and I am not going to sit here and let you use my post as a springboard for your agenda. Edit 2: I have been made aware that contest is only gonna be required until the top 3 teams finish, which, while I still disagree with the idea of contest on dungeons, that's significantly more tolerable than having it be required for like 2-3 days the way that they do with raids now.[/quote] Waiting until the youtubers beat it wow can see where their focus aims at …. -blam!- the rest

The important question is “Did Esoterikk solo it yet?l🤔🤣

I went in by myself just for sh*ts and giggles. I lasted about 5 seconds and got burned down by a horde of invisible sh*t with shrapnel cannons.

This dungeon is somehow worse than Ghosts and how do you go from Warlords Ruin which was actually fun to this absolute travesty? Reused assets and locations. Cool anomaly thing? Just a -blam!- desktop wall paper background you don't go to it at all. weapons? All terrible archetypes or perks. Armor is a disaster as well they should fire whoever is designing these terrible armor sets. Mechanics are the worst with the timed augment buffs which didn't need to be timed at all, they just put it there to be an annoyance. Also for Solo juggling all those different augments will actually be cancer. The devs that made this should be fired with how jank and poorly designed it is. At this rate game won't make it to Apollo. Contest mode isn't even designed to be fun its designed to be annoying because its meant for streamers and content creators rather than actually something that benefits the game. You'll see people sometimes mentioning things like "the game is only hard for two days a year" or w/e but I guarantee you if you put contest available at all times with no rewards no-one would play it. Its not about the difficulty genuinely being enjoyable its just for bragging rights and being WATCHABLE which when designed through that lens will not be designed in a way that is actually balanced or enjoyable.