I recently read Bungies post about the new combatant modifiers they plan to add to end game activities. I can't say I was particularly excited given how activity modified and penalties have generally been a source of frustration and annoyance for the community. To quick list an example in Season of the Wish we had "The Coil" which implemented several modified from the Master difficulty pool. One of these modifiers was Togetherness. For those unfamiliar with this modifier you need to stand within 7 feet of a nearby ally to be able to regenerate health normally. If you are not near allies when your HP regen delay finishes you regen HP at an extremely slow rate. This ended up being largely hated by both solo players and groups alone. So much so it got to the point were if the modifier was present players would not partake in the activity until it hard rotated out for another. So not we get to Banes which seem very akin to Mayhem Modifiers from Borderlands 3. To sum things up BL3 spend ages trying to balance this mode were enemies were way harder and there was all this extra stuff like enemies chain lightning to nearby players sucking shields or dead skulls that one shot you would spawn from dead enemies. Players got random modifiers so you would need to re roll for potently hours to get a combination you felt comfortable taking on. After that you pretty much just played the game like that. Eventually the Devs caved and gave players a mode that kept enemies difficulty up BUT removed all the random modifiers. Now when you see anyone playing Borderlands 3 they are playing on this mode in the end game. No one touches the modifiers, if they do there an extremly nich player and only playing with a handful of specific modifiers out of the large pool. While the Destiny community is largely a different camp of players then the majority of Borderlands players there is a good amount of cross over due to the similarities between these games. I also believe there is some wisdom here that is very applicable to Destiny. Players don't just want random extra modifiers to add "replay value" to activities. What we like is feeling free enough to try different builds, different set ups and different characters to add more variety to our gameplay. Modifiers RESTRICT the types of loadouts and builds we can use in a given activity or difficulty. If you make it so enemies spew out fire balls randomly from there back and something like area denial grenades or rocket assisted side arms are the best for dealing with them then guess what everyone is going to use to deal with them. In reality the boarder spectrum just doesn't even want to haft to replay the exotic mission 5 times or do a strikes 20+ times to get what they are looking for. The players who want to re repeat these activities are those who have an over abundance of time on there hands to play video games (AKA content creators) These individuals do NOT make up your broader audience. Catering to the feedback that things should take longer to grind or harder generally will hurt your game as it will be come less accessible for people who have less time to play or are trying to break in to end game activities. While I have given up on the idea that this game will ever be as player friendly as games like WoW or be grind light I do hope Bungie can gradually realize that doing things like Banes are largely a waste of time and resources given they will not accomplish the goal of making grinds or repetitive activities more interesting and engaging.