Given how the topic has come up and a good portion seem to think he is, I wanted to clarify the subject. It seems like people are over simplifying what all happened in Dawn to make it short and sweet, when it was one of the most complex things we’ve done. So let’s start with the basics. *Pulling someone from an alternate isn’t hard. We were able to forcibly transfer a Vex mind hundreds of thousands of times and even they couldn’t stop it. Pulling someone from an alternate timeline isn’t hard. So why did we need and use the Sundial if all we were doing was going to an alternate to pull a Saint out? To time travel. The purpose of the Sundial was to make a Time Machine that could affect the past of [i]one[/i] person at a specific time and place. Osiris was explicit about that, it had to be a point in time after Saint goes into the Forest because the Forest itself is separated from normal space time. Thus allowing the alteration to happen inside of the Forest without requiring the additional (and for us, impossible) task of altering time on a cosmic scale. (Like we see in the Dark Future lore with Elsie’s loops. That’s resetting the whole cosmos.) And yet that one minor (relatively speaking) alteration [i]broke[/i] time in the present and could have destroyed the cosmos if we hadn’t stabilized it. You don’t break time by going to an alternate, that’s proven in Undying. But there’s more to show that we did time travel, lore established way back. Specifically at the “original” (if that’s how you want to view it) Saint’s [i]past[/i], where he states that he encounters us. That’s when we give him the shotgun, show him how the future is better and impress him with our power which inspires him. Well how did we get into the past? At that point in time we were still bones. So we could have only gotten there by time traveling from a future point. And we know when we did that, during Dawn. If we hadn’t, how did the “original” Saint encounter us in the past? See? Saint’s own backstory [i]requires[/i] us to time travel. The breaking of time in the present is what enabled that accidental encounter. Saint both died and lived. The Perfect Paradox Edit: had to correct the season of undying aspect. We pulled the mind, we didn’t go to it. Thankfully this correction still applies to the general idea, only in a different way. Thanks to Shockwave for correcting this.