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11/9/2010 3:42:28 AM
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Did Cortana "love" Master Chief?
Granted being an AI Cortana couldn't really "love" anyone, right?
But throughout the books and games we see time and time again Cortana has a slightly unnatural attraction and devotion to John, even demoting the Colonel who rigged John's training test. She seems to protect him more than she would anyone else.
Of course it's perfectly possible she just really liked him, but even whilst aboard [i]High Charity[/i], it is said the thought of Master Chief may have kept her sane. And she continually tries to make physical contact with Master Chief while in cryo-sleep. Granted she was slipping into rampancy (possibly), but still?
Just a thought.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OniLink147 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 I think there was a relationship/partnership of sorts. The Chief didn't know how to love (thanks to the augmentation, etc), and computers/AI constructs don't exactly have human emotions. But the MC and Cortana were not normal for their kind. They had a bond, and perhaps even a love, in the only fashion they knew how. As I ponder upon this more, perhaps the best way to word this is to say that they were each others' "exception" or "special" person, but they didn't have the ability to put two and two together.[/quote] This. Although I think at one point John had feelings for Kelly and vice versa.[/quote]Kelly? Huh. In the end of TFoR and FS, it seemed more like he had a thing for Linda.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] III Prothus III [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MegaMuffin16 Perhaps she loved him like a sister loves a brother?[/quote] Probably more like a mother. Cortana was created literally from Dr. Halsey's mind. Halsey had feelings for each of the Spartans involved in the S-II project, though on multiple occasions she forced herself to squelch those emotions for the good of the project - for the good of the society - for the good of humanity. It was illustrated in text that Dr. Halsey had specifically strong emotions regarding John-117. It is likely that Cortana, having also gained memories and personality from Halsey, would have also gained emotional attachment in regards to John-117. In regards to an AI being able to "love," the closest argument one could make would most likely be from the description of the interaction between Sif and Mack, the AI's located on Reach at the time of first contact. Thus, it is entirely possible (and my opinion) that Cortana exerts a maternal love towards John-117.[/quote] Sorry for pointing out little details, but Sif and Mack weren't at Reach they were at Harvest. Sif was up on the tiara in orbit of Harvest and Mack is on the surface overseeing the operations of JOTUN's. Sif does manage traveling, and trading to Reach though.
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Interesting.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MegaMuffin16 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] V3rin Well she's an AI and is capable of making up her own mind, so in a way, I suppose it is possible that she could love someone.[/quote]Well being a Smart AI, is she still even possible to have human emotion? Judging by her often sarcastic tone, I would say she can posses human personality. But perhaps she's just imitating what she "grew up" learning around Halsey?[/quote] Then perhaps she's imitating Halsey's love for him?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] petarded2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 HOT DAMN I JUST REMEMBERED SOMETHING! I'm reading Ender's Game, a book that had a huge influence on the Halo universe, and Ender (who is essentially the inspiration for the Master Chief) has a sister named Valentine, with whom he had a strong bond with. They always looked out for each other, etc. I haven't finished the book yet, so I don't have further information on that.[/quote]HOLY INTERESTING DISCUSSION BATMAN! I'm not sure how far you are in the book, so this may be spoiler territory. Also, my memory of it is a little fuzzy so you'll have to forgive me if I get a few things slightly off. Valentine and Ender's relationship is manipulated by Graff about halfway through the book. Val's messages to Ender are altered by the teachers in a such a way that the messages contain references to events that only the two children would understand, but edited to motivate Ender into doing what they want. Hmmm... almost sounds like Halo 3 with Cortana's messages to the Chief being manipulated by Gravemind. [b][i]Coincidence?!?!?[/b][/i] Probably. But still interesting.[/quote]That was a spoiler for me, that that's ok. I think I'm almost there. Woah, this is quite the breakthrough! I'll have to come back to this thread when I go on a reading marathon tomorrow![/quote] Read the sequels. In Xenocide, stuff goes down big time, and your mind will = blown. Like, Ender and Val actually share a philotic connection. Metaphysics and all that. I don't want to spoil it, but Orson really carries the concept of philotes [i]far.[/i] It's so awesome, I'm just at the end of Xenocide.
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If there is one thing that I really really wish that we would start copying from the greeks is their use of five (true, so people say there are four, but there are actually five) different words for love. I can't remember them exactly off of the top of my head, but I think that they were: Agape- Self sacrificing love. To wish well being even if the object of this love responds in an ill way. Eros- -blam!- attraction. Philie- Wanting good for someone for their sake and not one's own. Also describable as mutual loyalty or affectionate loyalty. Storge- This sort of love is the sort that a family will hold for one another. It could also be described as simply being deep affection. Xenia- The love that is supposed to be held by a host for his guest. Cortana definitely didn't hold any sort of physical attraction for the MC, but they would definitely fall into other categories.
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Cortan is an AI....i don't think it can experience "real" love. Besides...its disgusting. Master Chief deserves a REAL WOMAN for all he has done in the war :D [Edited on 11.12.2010 2:04 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MegaMuffin16 Granted being an AI Cortana couldn't really "love" anyone, right?[/quote] Wrong. Metastability. :) Cortana <3 John.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MegaMuffin16 Perhaps she loved him like a sister loves a brother?[/quote] Probably more like a mother. Cortana was created literally from Dr. Halsey's mind. Halsey had feelings for each of the Spartans involved in the S-II project, though on multiple occasions she forced herself to squelch those emotions for the good of the project - for the good of the society - for the good of humanity. It was illustrated in text that Dr. Halsey had specifically strong emotions regarding John-117. It is likely that Cortana, having also gained memories and personality from Halsey, would have also gained emotional attachment in regards to John-117. In regards to an AI being able to "love," the closest argument one could make would most likely be from the description of the interaction between Sif and Mack, the AI's located on Harvest at the time of first contact. Thus, it is entirely possible (and my opinion) that Cortana exerts a maternal love towards John-117. Edit: Wrong Planet.. My bad [Edited on 11.15.2010 6:20 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DevilSpawn711 your forgetting that cortana is a forerunner AI and is not created by people[/quote] Of course. How could we forget? Oh, and Master Chief is actually an Flood. And the Flood are actually Precursors.
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your forgetting that cortana is a forerunner AI and is not created by people
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well probly because if you look after the credits in halo 3, master chief was left behind with cortana and when he went to sleep in the capsule she was acting all emotional and said "i'll miss you" so i myself think its possible
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MegaMuffin16 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] V3rin Well she's an AI and is capable of making up her own mind, so in a way, I suppose it is possible that she could love someone.[/quote]Well being a Smart AI, is she still even possible to have human emotion? Judging by her often sarcastic tone, I would say she can posses human personality. But perhaps she's just imitating what she "grew up" learning around Halsey?[/quote] Personality = Emotion
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MegaMuffin16 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ToKsIcTaCoS Yes she did, in one of the books that i read in the halo series when Cortana is picking her Spartan-II, Dr. Halsey says she sort of had a crush on john. Cortana's mind is based off of dr. halsey's so she would "Love" him.[/quote]Supposedly, but isn't that a little strange that a grown woman would have a crush on a six year old...?[/quote] I don't think it was when he was six, I think it was when he was older, like a teen or something, but yeah, still weird.
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Wow, if so, I need to read the books.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 I think there was a relationship/partnership of sorts. The Chief didn't know how to love (thanks to the augmentation, etc), and computers/AI constructs don't exactly have human emotions. But the MC and Cortana were not normal for their kind. They had a bond, and perhaps even a love, in the only fashion they knew how. As I ponder upon this more, perhaps the best way to word this is to say that they were each others' "exception" or "special" person, but they didn't have the ability to put two and two together.[/quote] This. Although I think at one point John had feelings for Kelly and vice versa. [Edited on 11.09.2010 7:02 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ToKsIcTaCoS [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ktan Dantaktee Since Cortana is not a regular smart AI[/quote] what do you mean she is not a regular smart AI?[/quote] If you read Halsey's Journal from the Halo: Reach Limited and Legendary editions, it states that Halsey was making a new generation of Smart A.I. cloned from her mind, which was new, and had all of the regular traits a Smart AI has, plus added extras like emotion. Cortana is basicly a Human in AI form. And yes Mega Muffin 16, it does suck for her. She loves someone who virtualy CAN NOT love her back. That sucks epicly. [Edited on 11.09.2010 7:00 PM PST]
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well, even though he can't love her, they are close. when cortana is in the chiefs armor, if he dies, she does too and if she is destroyed he may not survive. so it sort of a strong dependency and trust.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ktan Dantaktee Since Cortana is not a regular smart AI[/quote] what do you mean she is not a regular smart AI?
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Damn sucks for Cortana.
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Since Cortana is not a regular smart AI, and the final words from Halo 3 basicly states she does. "I'll miss you." She always has loved MC, had a close relationship with him, but he can't love her back, so it must suck for her. But to simply answer your question, yes... yes she does love MC.
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Yes, i know. The Master Chief didn't and couldn't really love Cortana because a side effect of the augmentations. But still Cortana did have a crush on him. [Edited on 11.09.2010 6:51 PM PST]
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Well a love connection [i]has[/i] been implied since Halo CE, I just found it unorthodox. Due to augmetation, of course Chief couldn't love Cortana. But Cortana love Chief? Most likely.
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Well Dr Halsey had a little crush on the MC it sounds like, and she did make Cortana just like her. Also Cortana picked the MC for a reason, so maybe they did like each other.
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i did not mean when he was six. Cortana chose her spartan when he was much older, maybe early to late twenties.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ToKsIcTaCoS Yes she did, in one of the books that i read in the halo series when Cortana is picking her Spartan-II, Dr. Halsey says she sort of had a crush on john. Cortana's mind is based off of dr. halsey's so she would "Love" him.[/quote]Supposedly, but isn't that a little strange that a grown woman would have a crush on a six year old...?
