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3/3/2024 3:32:28 PM
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Bungie has lost touch with casual solo players

Title says it all if you’re in a TLDR mood and I get that but here’s some specifics It seems like ever since Bungie did their difficulty increase, the game is far too unforgiving for solo players. First off let’s talk about this seasons Starcrossed exotic mission. Now I get it man. It’s an exotic mission so it’s not supposed to be easy. But I shouldn’t NEED to use your fire team finder because your boss room is too damn much. If I need the fire team finder, REMOVE SOLO CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW. Legendary lost sectors, they aren’t so much as hard as I find myself screaming at my monitor constantly “HOW THE -blam!- DID THAT JUST KILL ME. NO BUNGIE I NEED A DAMN EXPLANTATION RIGHT NOW” and that amplifies when I clear a legendary lost sector TEN -blam!- TIMES AND NO EXOTICS DROP. You have actively turned my significant other away from the game because of this. She cannot complete legendary lost sectors (inb4 you dickwads popping in saying “get good”. not the time. And -blam!- you) I just feel like I’m experiencing the absolute worst this game can be (again, before the dickwads, I’ve been here since taken king and stuck around for it all. This is the worst. -blam!- your d1 and d2 vanilla gripes. -blam!- your curse of Osiris -blam!- and -blam!- your warmind hatred. This is the worst) I loved this game. For years. Until now. I can without a doubt say that I am seconds away from cancelling my final shape preorder and being done with this game but either way, I’m out after the final shape. I’m done man. I can’t do this anymore. I’m screaming at monitors, getting frustrated and feeling my blood pressure rise as I also feel like the game I’ve loved for so long betrays me. Sorry for all the swearing in just so frustrated. I’m not normally like this haha. In an attempt to turn this from a “I’m gonna -blam!- about this game and that’s it” to a more constructive discussion, let’s talk about the things we love in the game and if you’re with me on this, talk about the things you hate. The game isn’t in a good spot and I think all of us are just so over it but because of this idea of “legacy” we are all sticking around for TFS. Tbh at this point I feel like the only reason for the delay was to milk us for another 6 months because so many of us are fed up
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  • Edited by Alkazt: 5/2/2024 12:26:29 PM
    Coming back in here for a update from the OP a while after posting First off, I was a little rude to a handful of you. Wasn’t my best moment so, my bad guys. Don’t take it personal please. I’m very sorry though. Update: I decided to look myself in the mirror on this and ask myself if I’m the problem. And I was lol. So I came back to this thread and began to reread a lot of your comments. Didn’t respond but took it all in as silent advice (some of you lol). So I focused my gear, got my RES up to tier 10. Starting focusing on build mechanics and being REAL choosey with my armor. It’s not perfect but it’s well on it’s way to being there. I have to say though you were right. Absolutely and I’m sorry I was so pig headed lol. I’ve been running my solo stuff much smoother now and the game feels a bit more balanced and all that. Idk, I just wanted to come in here and then the tone of the conversation. If I’m going to be upset enough to -blam!- like that online, I have got to be humble enough to come back and admit when I was wrong. Take care, everyone ❤️

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  • Game used to be straight up fun and you didn’t have to live on it to get everything. Now it’s not even fun and you have to live on the game to do anything.

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    • Edited by Obi-Juan: 3/6/2024 5:22:37 PM
      First things first - This comment is genuinely not meant to be toxic in any way. I mean this only to help you. Looking at all 3 of your class loadouts, you are running double primary in each when you don't need to. You could be using 1 primary and 1 special weapon. You are putting yourself at a huge disadvantage not taking advantage of the special ammo that will constantly drop from killing enemies. Special ammo weapons do far greater damage than primary and have better ammo economy than heavy weapons. The only time you should be running double primary is if you need 2 weapons capable of stunning champions, but I can see you're running an SMG which has no champion capability this season and another primary weapon, which is putting you at a big disadvantage towards the content. I'm a solo player and i'm of average skill. This game isn't properly balanced for you to just use whatever you want. It has some breathing room yes, but you need to be considerate about what weapons your using. If the legend lost sector gives you a solar damage buff, use a solar weapon. Use the weapon that will allow you to stun champions (i'm gonna assume you know all about that). Use strand if you can. Suspend grenades immobilise anything that isn't a boss and gives you time to run into cover and get your health back. They also stun unstoppable champions. I'd be very happy to give any tips on anything that you might be struggling with, because knowledge is power. The boss room in Starcrossed you feel like is impossible, has very safe cover spots you can hide behind when you're in danger and if you had a special weapon on like I mentioned, with arc energy type, the flying enemies with arc shields that might be giving you trouble will be very easy to deal with. You should be in this cover spot focusing on safely clearing ads before you even think about damaging the boss. Ads first, then boss. It's all about just taking your time and learning these things. Don't be afraid to watch guides not everyone has the same levels of common sense as others some of us have to work for it. Hope you consider what i've said because I absolutely used to be in your position. I remember not knowing anything about how to stun an Unstoppable Champion or an Overload Champion and them just feeling impossible to kill. Just a matter of time until things start making way more sense and feel waaay less difficult. The game hasn't been as overtuned as you might think. It's just been tuned to incentivize people to pay attention to buffs, elements and buildcrafting because we have become severely power crept. I get that new players who aren't taking advantage of the power will just feel the difficulty increase, but there are so many guides out there and people who would be willing to help you and it really wouldn't take that long to get your loadout just a little bit more powerful to make things much easier for you.

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      • I'm a solo player and I love overcoming challenges in this game, but to be fair they piled on so many nerfs at once that everything just feels lazy and cheap. It honestly feels like they have no ability to adjust difficulties so they just cap power, turn off radar, spawn waves of enemies behind you and give so many enemies one shot abilities. It's not fun, it's not challenging, it's just cheap.

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      • Sorry to tell you but if you can’t solo a legend lost sector that is genuinely a skill issue. There’s no two ways about it. Thats just a case of being REALLY bad at the game.

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        • Edited by Jonty28: 3/5/2024 11:29:59 AM
          Starcrossed final boss is fine solo, use the cover on the right hand side. If you want to team up I have a great community of people who play together and help each other. DM me if interested.

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        • Edited by BlaZingSkuLL398: 3/4/2024 2:55:28 AM
          Ok I was skimming through your loadouts/gear on your characters and a very big issue persists across all your characters. You should be running 100 resilience, if you don't run with 100 resilience you are going to die a lot more. If you don't run 100 resilience in pve, you are playing the game wrong. If you need armor with better stats, focus armor at seasonal vendor in the helm. It's not that expensive really. Also use your ghost mods when focusing armor. For legend difficulty and higher or anything that's 1810 or higher and has level scaling, you need to have your gear at pinnacle cap (1810), if you don't you a lot of times won't do full damage to those enemies. Also, you will die a lot easier. Why? Because of scaling. A master lost sector is 1840, but you are power capped/scaled to 1820. Now, the scaling attacks your bonus artifact power by a lot but it does not attack your gear score/base power level. This is why you want those additional 10 power levels on your gear. If you try to do a master LS at 1820 power but your GS is only 1800, yeeeeeaaaah you're probably gonna die. I'm a solo player as well. No clan. -blam!-*, I don't even have any friends lol. I follow these rules and I do just fine. 100 resil and 1810 base. I'm good to go. Edit: Legend/master sectors don't have power scaling, but most legend/master content does.

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          • Edited by Hawpy: 3/6/2024 12:12:16 AM
            Look, the difficulty changes made the game harder, but plenty of players have also not been making it any easier for themselves. All 3 of your characters have two primary weapons equipped and no Exotic weapons between them. Ursa Furiosa and Claws of Ahamkara are pretty poor Exotic armour picks right now, and I get that that's knowledge that not everyone is going to have, but there is zero excuse for your Hunter using Oathkeeper without a Bow. On your Warlock, you have loads of mods for consuming Armor Charge - too many, in fact, as they will cannibalise each other - but no means of actually generating Orbs of Power to give you any charges. Both your Warlock and Titan have stat-boosting mods that do nothing because they don't increase the stat to the next tier (e.g.Titan Gauntlets with +5 Resilience, increasing 42 to 47). These are things that you can no longer get wrong or ignore. It's not elitism to expect players to read the information supplied to them, or to think that a Shotgun might be more beneficial than a [i]second[/i] Auto Rifle. This isn't hyper-optimising a build with triple 100s, fast cooldowns, elemental keywords and meta items, it's putting together a competent loadout. There are also people who haven't adjusted the way they play at all, but that could be a whole separate discussion.

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          • I used to feel the same way when lightfall launched I was upset and angry at the difficulty changes and had a hard time adjusting I could solo the things I used to solo I couldn’t get my dungeons soloed anymore it was overall hard but that’s because I was still using my same builds that I used pre lightfall with all the same stats. My suggestion?(while it is extreme) make a new character or delete one and start over delete all your gear(only armor) and restart go through the campaigns again experience being a new light in the new sandbox and when you start over and start completing things as a new light your ll get adjusted to the new difficulty. Overall bungie is feeding us VERY well with solo builds For warlocks you have just to name a few: sunbracers, the void buddy gloves, fallen sunstar, and the is Osmiomancy For titans: the strand punch, bonk, sunspots, and even ward of dawn isn’t too bad rn For hunters(my main and only class so I’m biased): assassins cowl(best build in the game can use with both solar and arc for a constant loop), celestial nighthawk, gyrfalcons, graviton forfeit, frostees, foetracer, and -blam!- you can even solo stuff with something like star eater scales or even sixth coyote There are so many potent builds In this game that shine in both solo and teams but your can’t just copy and paste someone else’s build and expect to go flawless in trials on your first time or solo flawless a GM you have to work to get there you may have been playing since taken king which is great I personally started in beyond light in the middle of the OP stasis times but that just means your cemented in muscle memory with this game you expect to be able to survive certain things when you can’t you need to break that memory down that’s why every single time there’s a giant change in this game I get rid of every mindset I had. Overall if you want to be a solo player then you have to learn to be a solo player so many including myself have done nearly everything except raids and gms in this game I’ve soloed every exotic mission, every campaign, all lost sectors, I’ve grounded for hour on hours just to get the perfect stat stompees, I’ve soloed dungeons, I’ve even soloed master nightfalls. It’s all about your build and your skill as a player yes your going to have a hard time if you go in with assassins cowl with void equipped but your also gonna have a hard time if your not good with a certain build so in the end just make your own builds test things yourself see what you like, personally I can’t play sunbracers ir warlock and titan as a whole I can’t stand the movement and j feel like I’m skipping through water but just play and stop taking the game so seriously I actively laugh when I die in a stupid way you should try that sometime it makes life a hell of a lot easier

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          • The game isn’t mean to solo players, it’s mean to bad players. I don’t have any trouble soloing anything in the game that’s you’ve mentioned so clearly being solo isn’t the issue. You kids will just make excuses for everything before admitting you yourself are the problem.

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            • Most players are core to hardcore. There are no casual Destiny players it can't even be enjoyed that way.

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            • [quote]Title says it all if you’re in a TLDR mood and I get that but here’s some specifics It seems like ever since Bungie did their difficulty increase, the game is far too unforgiving for solo players. [/quote] It's not unforgiving for solo players. It's unforgiving to bad players. Plenty of people routinely solo content, your inability to do that is a personal issue. [quote]First off let’s talk about this seasons Starcrossed exotic mission. Now I get it man. It’s an exotic mission so it’s not supposed to be easy. But I shouldn’t NEED to use your fire team finder because your boss room is too damn much. If I need the fire team finder, REMOVE SOLO CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW.[/quote] I'm trash at this game and did it solo. You don't [b][u][i]NEED[/i][/u][/b] to use the Fireteam Finder. [quote]Legendary lost sectors, they aren’t so much as hard as I find myself screaming at my monitor constantly “HOW THE -blam!- DID THAT JUST KILL ME. NO BUNGIE I NEED A DAMN EXPLANTATION RIGHT NOW” and that amplifies when I clear a legendary lost sector TEN -blam!- TIMES AND NO EXOTICS DROP. [/quote] It's a Legend Lost Sector. If you died it's because you made a dumb mistake. Happens to the best of us. [quote]You have actively turned my significant other away from the game because of this. She cannot complete legendary lost sectors (inb4 you dickwads popping in saying “get good”. not the time. And -blam!- you) [/quote] If she can't complete a legend lost sector she does in fact need to get good. [quote]I just feel like I’m experiencing the absolute worst this game can be (again, before the dickwads, I’ve been here since taken king and stuck around for it all. This is the worst. -blam!- your d1 and d2 vanilla gripes. -blam!- your curse of Osiris -blam!- and -blam!- your warmind hatred. This is the worst)[/quote] Oh wow, you've been here since Taken King? Let's all bow before out glorious leader. I [quote]loved this game. For years. Until now. I can without a doubt say that I am seconds away from cancelling my final shape preorder and being done with this game but either way, I’m out after the final shape. I’m done man. I can’t do this anymore. I’m screaming at monitors, getting frustrated and feeling my blood pressure rise as I also feel like the game I’ve loved for so long betrays me.[/quote] If Destiny makes you this upset maybe take up knitting, or woodworking. [quote]Sorry for all the swearing in just so frustrated. I’m not normally like this haha. [/quote] I doubt this... [quote]In an attempt to turn this from a “I’m gonna -blam!- about this game and that’s it” to a more constructive discussion, let’s talk about the things we love in the game and if you’re with me on this, talk about the things you hate. The game isn’t in a good spot and I think all of us are just so over it but because of this idea of “legacy” we are all sticking around for TFS. Tbh at this point I feel like the only reason for the delay was to milk us for another 6 months because so many of us are fed up[/quote] Cancel your preorder. Bungie isn't going to change and we've long since gone beyond the point of no return. The end is fast approaching.

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              • Edited by belayaa: 3/6/2024 5:02:27 AM
                Honestly it sounds like you need some therapy Because you ain't a causal player, you've been here since 2018. Nothing casual about that

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              • Good whining. Got it out of your system? Get better at the game or play something more slow paced and equally enjoyable like Minecraft. Or heck, read a book. Learn a skill. If it’s too hard for you, time to quit.

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              • Don’t worry, you’re too far gone. Any game you play you’ll be yelling at now 😂

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              • I play mainly solo, and don't care about the difficulty anymore. I was able to get everything for my Titan then got bored running lost sectors on the other 2. That's the real problem. The game gets boring grinding the same thing over and over again. Play other stuff. That's what I do when I get bored of the game. There are a bunch of great games out there.

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              • Used to feel the same way then experimenting with builds changed it for me Now everything is explodey with strand or void all over the place and it's fun again Fireteam finder helped fill in some gaps so now I'm trying to learn the dungeons and raids and managed to even snag a vex mythoclast. Definitely take a break from goals and focus on loadouts building and test until it's fun. D2 armor picker is your friend to get those double 100s and YouTube is flooded with awesome builds for you to try. Good luck and I hope it gets better for you.

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              • I've only been playing D2 since Oct 2023 mainly because my significant other, whom has bee playing D2 since launch day, wanted me to. We pre-ordered D2 back in the day and on launch night she was able to get right into the game but I wasn't. I tried for hours. Nope, no go. So, that was when I quit Destiny until less than half a year ago. I've always said that Bungie has zero clue on servers and horizontal and vertical infrastructure and platform scalability (things of which I am an expert on), but, we're not going to talk about that here on this thread. There's a lot that I agree with here and some I disagree with in terms of gameplay. I CAN solo all legend lost sectors pretty much without issue. Master lost sectors, depends on which. I don't mind challenging gameplay but I am more of a solo player than anything else. Everything IMHO in this game should be solo'able by casual players (of which I am one, and, not a very good player either). The only exception to this, again, IMHO, is raids. Raids make perfect sense to require a good time to complete. Even in the D1 days Bungie listened to those streamers for X, Y and Z. They didn't care about their larger customer paying base. It's clear that this is still the case all of these many years later. Bungie utterly fails to understand how to properly scale activity difficulty based on active participants, fire team or not (considering it's an MMO, then, activity scaling in local areas should be a thing). I'm all for making content and activities and challenging but not, as others have said, that require 4+ hours just to complete. They've always been that way and I suppose they think it's great to do that. Nobody workingat Bungie that actually makes decisions understands any of these things (or evidently gives a rip). What pisses me off is that Bungie locks season progress behind paid content. We have all of the DLC, due to my significant other. But, there are dungeons that I do not have access to because I can't bring myself to pay Bungie, a $3.6B company (that was what Sony Interactive Studios bought Bungie for at acquisition), more money for fraking dungeon keys. D1, IIRC, did not have micro transactions. Yeah I'm not paying Bungie because I've already paid for all of these things when she pre-ordered all of these things over the years. The fact that we play on XBox with the notion of home consoles should be immaterial: I paid for it (she doesn't have an income and there are reasons for that so this is not a topic for discussion, period) and so I should have access to exactly what I bought across our two consoles and my XBox account. But nope. There is also a reason why I post nor share absolutely anything about in game exploits without requiring anything malicious, network injection, server take over and DDoS, tools, etc, etc - just regular "I'm smarter than all of you Bungie developers and so called architects combined" so I know how to find completely legit exploits (you all call them cheeses). Don't tell me or dictate to me (or us) HOW to play the game. But this is what Bungie does, and always has. It's a poor mentality and it's that mentality that will eventually sink them (well, not until Sony decides to liquidate their sub-holding asset and fire them all). My significant other ordered TFS. Not sure if I'm going to bother with myself having to actually purchase the annual pass (because see above). I'll just wait to see what she sees. But my guess is that it will not be worth the money. One last thing: I too wholeheartedly agree that Bungie significantly delayed the release of TFS for pure revenue milking reasons and nothing else. This is what a multi-billion company does as well. I still enjoy playing this game after less than half a year. But, I don't see myself playing this a year from now at all regardless unless Bungie makes some serious game and business changes.

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              • This game isn't hard, nor is it a solo player game.

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              • Challenging is one thing, lack of fun another. Their new difficulty is not fun. That's why people left and why we reached a new low in player numbers. The content is not worse than before. Season of the lost was also 6 months and content was bare bones, but player numbers were double of what they are now. The game wasn't a slog back then.

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                • Yep, fully agree. I've been a solo player since launch and never felt less catered to and less respected than now. Their whole "bring challnege back to destiny" agenda made it impossible to simply enjoy the casual pve game it once was. We now have to sweat in pve and the way Bungie handles challenge just isnt fun. Bullet spongie enemies and enemies oneshotting you is a lazy way of designing difficulty in games. And its completely unfun. Made me entirely quit the game. Even tho i CAN do all the content in the game (I pretty much have done every single bit of challenging content in destiny) i simply dont want to. I like having fun in games.

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                • Day one beta player here yes i agree solo have it hard sometime but not always . A solo in the truest part of this game is one who pit themselves against it hardest content alone. It not just someone who play alone anymore I've been a solo i enjoyed it but i also found having a group to do thing with was fun as well yes i have soloed a dungeon or two and i can say yes it hard but to be a true player you must learn to overcome a challenge by doing it sometime until it hurt.

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                • Edited by rednayeL: 3/4/2024 1:54:37 PM
                  Other than the exotic mission, what else is too hard? I don’t love some things about this game, but solo exotic mission are only for the top 5% players usually. If you are casual, then you are not top 5%, and yes, you need a team. Or friends. That’s the real problem, fireteam finder is not friend finder, and playing with randoms is nothing compared to playing with friends.

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                  • Meh it’s not too terrible. I solo everything that doesn’t have matchmaking. But you also have to accept the fact that if you don’t lfg or in game lfg, you’re not gonna be able to do some stuff the game has to offer. That’s kinda just how it’s always been

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                    • The game has never been easier😭

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                      • Totally agree OP. Last weekend I was running the exotic presage mission solo as I wanted to enjoy it at my own pace without speedrunners and to try and work out the puzzles myself without watching spoiler videos. Well I was getting on just fine, no trouble with any of the pre-final-boss combat challenges, a good few misadventure deaths from the platforming but not complaining ... but it took me ages. By the time I got to the final boss room it was evening meal time, partner glaring at me because I'd been playing all day (with a few bouts of shouting at the screen) and now it was late and she was hungry. No checkpoints, couldn't leave it for the day and continue the next, no, it all must be done in one sitting. Deaths even from misadventures felt like an age before you could respawn. Needless to say I had to pack it in or I could have been trying out different tactics with that boss untill midnight! This is deliberate from bungie, time sink tactics to keep players playing for longer, whilst I love a lot of this game, it is exactly this attitude from bungie that makes me really angry at times.

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