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Edited by DarthWolfric: 1/18/2024 11:37:16 AM
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The Vex reality problem…

[quote]Ramblings[/quote] The Vex have an interesting relationship with reality; they can alter it and have stepped back from it. They watch it ebb and flow from front-row seats outside the conventional boundaries of matter and the baryonic universe. The interesting thing is that while reality means little to the Vex, reality in Destiny is in a way, not reality at all. The Ahamkara know that we know this: [quote]You're from somewhere real. And together we can burn our way back there. Can't we, o player mine?[/quote]The Ahamkara knows that the Guardian is the only 'real' thing in the ultimately fictional universe and that all others are actors, like those of the Godhead's dream. Vex are therefore fictional, as I think we’re aware! But how can that be? So much of their very existence revolves around reality being tangible to them, and the Vex network and the laws of the Vault of Glass are external to the baryonic universe and standard reality. Further, the Oracles (or "singing stars") in VoG can judge if something is real, as described by Kabr: [quote]The stars will move around you and mark you and sing to you. They will decide if you are real.[/quote]How can something decide your reality if they themselves are fictional? Or are the Vex in a CHIM-like state like the Ahamkara, and they can judge reality when they know [i]nothing[/i] within the bounds of their transdimensions exists? The Gorgons possess a similar reality-judging ability to the Oracles and are "ontological weapons" of unimaginable strength. To support a hypothesis of Vex having ascended beyond being bound to their manipulated realities and timelines, the Gorgons ability to expunge and totally erase at will is a similar level of power to zero-summing - your existence is 1, and when you discover you do not exist the equation is 1(I am real) + -1 (I do not exist) = 0. Hence zero-summing, ceasing to exist entirely. Possessing such abilities; zero-summing and the judgement of reality, the Vex are thus on an even higher level of warped realities and temporal confusion than was established, I think. Perhaps they, like the Ahamkara express, desire to escape to the [b]real[/b] reality.
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  • I view the vex as just part of the reality gaming engine. I think Ishtar was close to being correct about them. Human merkwelt...but why. As I said, they set up and test the definitions of reality. Some human in nature...sight, empathy. Some structural...construction mind on IO (I think it was there). We had Clovis working with the vex to better understand consciousness, and to move a person's consciousness to an exo body. Trying to prove and state everyone has that, and move that weird digitized self over to something else and prove that it is real; that the consciousness that was copied over must be the exact same thing, that it must be the real person in the machine. Digitizing taste...bet we are doing that. Digitizing sight...bet we are doing that. Digitizing smell...bet we are doing that. Digitizing touch...that's been on the board for decades. It's just making and running the tests, how to think literal enough a computer can run a test and what that test would look like upon reality.

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    • Maybe the Vex have broke the fourth wall by realizing that Bungie created them and they are trying to escape the simulation of Destiny 2 to enter actual reality, perhaps they already have and they took over Bungie HQ and are using Chat GPT to push out crappy content while they rewrite Final Shape for its delayed release.

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    • This is the can of worms you open when you dip into time travel

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      • Edited by MC 077 Lasombra: 1/18/2024 9:06:58 PM
        There’s no reality problem. It’s a perception problem. Because these robots don’t make much difference between the primary and alternate timelines. So they can be utterly stomped on in the primary and whatever remnants hide in an alternate until they rebuild. Like when they were hiding that Mind in alternate timelines and we had to hunt them down. So in [i]their[/i] mind, there is no difference. They can exploit them all equally. But for us normal species, there is. The alternates don’t come here to play, we go there. That demonstrates the primacy of our timeline. We matter, they don’t. This conforms with the lore in Unveiling about the nature of the multiverse, our cosmos and how timelines work. And as far as [i]altering[/i] it goes, that’s subjective based on perception. When they materialize a structure that didn’t exist prior and is millions/billions of years old, did they time travel to make it? Or impose a structure from an alternate timeline into ours? Because the difference is very distinct, isn’t it? But because it’s old, people perceive it as a time traveling feat. When they do that, historical records aren’t suddenly changed to reflect it always existed. It just magically appears and we know it didn’t exist before. Now the Gorgons seem to do more but only when someone goes [i]into[/i] the Vault and therefore becomes subject to their rules. And the Vaults power, when Atheon was alive, allowed that limited alteration. That’s a special exception, not a rule. Because they can’t alter anything in the material universe unless it comes in there. People mistakenly conflate this stuff with time manipulation. Because again, surface level perceptions. You can call that reality manipulation but it’s not as grandiose as that phrase implies. It’s so limited as to be a gimmick, useful but not game changing. Cause if they had such grand control, they wouldn’t be losing. Masters of reality shouldn’t lose a fist fight…

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