I don't understand how people believe this anymore.

Please give examples.

[quote]…and influence over Destiny 2 as a series. I do not hate streamers and content creators, but after experiencing balance patches that read like feedback directly from content creators, I don’t see how people can deny it anymore. There are those who don’t deny it, and feel as though those who play the game as a career, are more fit to give feedback… However, some of the feedback they give, is from a skewed perspective that does not track with the average player’s point of view. Time and time again, the community is ignored, while the concerns of content creators, often against the wishes of the consumer, are prioritized. This has been a point of contention for a very long time. In light of the recently announced nerfs, most of which were requested by prominent content creators, and are generally being lambasted by the community, as you are reading this. I think their influence may need to be re-evaluated.[/quote] Just vote with your wallet, and you will have more influence than any streamer. I have been pre ordering 4 DLC or seasonal passes at a time every release since D1 beta for my 3 sons and I. Except now. My sons stopped playing a year ago because they said the fun was gone. I skipped a whole season this year, and only played part of last season. I logged in the last 2 days to play around with all my builds, and experiment with the champ mods in nightfalls. I logged out 45 minutes ago, and will not be logging back in unless a lot of these changes are walked back. Not only did they nerf a ton of things, they broke a lot of things by proxy- like nova warp and devor interaction to name one. If the fun is not returned to the game I will definitely not be returning. Apparently I am not alone in voting with my wallet, hence their short fall with their sales projections that led to the layoffs. Unfortunately this is the only language big companies understand, they could care less about our feedback as long as we continue to open our wallets.

Bungie has held several summits where they directly invite and listen to feedback from content creators. At this point, gaslighting is the perfect phrase for it.

Yep. It's pushing 10 year veterans I play with off the game. Sucks that the top % once again want things harder. Ironically, it will kill the game, and they won't get views.

Streamers absolutely have the dominant influence on D2. It's not necessarily their fault they're just who Bungie decides to take feedback from. Back when D2 launched in its terrible state what did Bungie do to sort out their issues? They didn't turn asking players what they wanted, they formed a Bungie summit where they then spent money to fly out streamers to hear their opinions. They value their opinions so much they would pay to hear it. If they ever actually wanted player feedback these feedback forums are completely free.

Facts. At times you hear from content creator themselves about how they've attended invite only events where the devs go over upcoming developments and changes and collect their feedback. iirc, forbes Paul Tassi talked about how the last few years leaks likely came from people attending these events and were subsequently banned from ever attending after they got caught. How fans like to pretend that their favorite streamers/youtubers feedback doesn't have significant influence in changes is a bit sad. These people don't genuinely care about you, a lot don't even hide it anymore and are constantly saying as much in their content.

I don't hate them, but boy have they really screwed up this game 😂

My brother you're gaslighting yourself.

We are way too gassed up about these nerfs.

Imagine thinking streamers and content creators have ANY influence over this game. What delusional world are we living in? Every single streamer or content creator I see just trashes the game consistently. Every good player I know hates the state of the game and the direction it's going. Every single change made in the last 2+ years has been for the CASUAL player. In-air accuracy: Causal player complaint Slide nerf: Casual player complaint Hand cannon nerf: Casual player complaint Trials MM getting reworked: Casual player complaint Zone trials: Casual player complaint Shotgun nerfs: Casual player complaint SBMM: Casual player complaint All of these garbage systems are in the game [b]TODAY[/b] because Bungie listens to the [b]DADS[/b] and [b]NOT[/b] to the streamers or content creators. This game is [b][u]HARD CATERED[/u][/b] to the causal player. I wish I lived in this land of delusion where Bungie listened to the people who are good at the game. Every single TWAB, every single patch, every single change Bungie does, they do it for the 0.5kd Jimmy who can't even complete a strike, complains about some "secret" matchmaking that forces them to lose, and how CBMM isn't fair. I can promise you, that this post will be downvoted into oblivion by those same casual players. The sad part is you don't even realize how [b]HARD[/b] Bungie caters to you guys and how much Bungie [b]HATES[/b] any good player or anything competitive at all. Even sadder is you won't understand it either because 99% of you will never be in the top 1% and the extreme few who do will look back and realize; ''I wish I was still a casual player."

You realize if we listened to them we wouldn’t be here in the first place. Bungie catered to the casuals and look at the s**t storm we found ourselves in.

One other thing about the gaslighting and then I'll stop and won't be even more of an annoyance. The first thing that pops into your head when someone says gaslighting is that it's mostly designed to be applied to really abusive situations featuring con artists and sociopaths. So the question then becomes why do they feel so abused. Gaslighting is not going to be the answer to that question. And there are answers to that question. Some of them are really unfair and have had me tbh, thinking about pop up laws. Nobody deserves to be treated in a certain way period. And that's not the only one. Almost done, when it comes to something like weapon in a videogame the answer is always going to be do we really need to take it that far? Usually when you're debating something like that you present your argument as being falsifiable or else it's invalid. That's something everybody knows. So something designed to deal with abuse being applied towards a videogame gun is borderline saying your argument is non falsifiable. These things are just too strong a language to be using against someone who is basically doing what you're doing to and should be seen as being on your side.