No, they are the ones to blame. I really doubt that the suits were the ones who made the cloudstriders, gave the horrible content for the seasons and all. Honestly, sucks to lose your job and i hope those guys get a new job fast but the CEO is working as a CEO and he made a bet, now we need to see if the game will get good.

[quote]Bungie upper management is 100% at fault here. We know the devs are talented and care a ton about the game. [/quote] I can’t say i know this. How can anyone 🤷🏿‍♂️

I blame the management who hired the devs Must not be hiring for talent

The devs are very likely the ones to blame. Destiny is being millstoned away by the chronic little problems that upper management probably is barely aware of. The game needs to play well. Destiny does not play well for enough of the potential customer pool. Just think about the horrible array of quit moments that are clearly individual dev team decisions. Your bounty pool gets flooded with hyper specific objectives for nonsense no one enjoys doing. More generalized bounties have been needed for years. This is gravely, catastrophically compounded by gambit and crucible being rotten with hackers. Not only does the overly performance based and overly specific state of bounties and general grind objectives make the experience for the average player comprehensively unusable, but it's the reason so many people cheat to begin with. It's a death spiral situation by itself. Think about what it's actually like as a new, casual, introverted, or disabled player to interface with raids and dungeons. How is this an adequate state for anyone but carry services? They are horrible. They don't feel like epic encounters, they feel like hours long sequels to The Bizarre Adventures of Woodruff and the Schnibble. They make no sense in the context of an MMOFPS. They are not how you retain customers, they are how you alienate customers as if you focus grouped to achieve that end. Why are half my weapons still grey and locked to 1600? Upper management really sitting there making sure the devs wont let me use my Breachlight? Does upper management even know what a Breachlight is? It's nonsensical, and it was the catalyst of this whole mess. Not one single person bought the expansion because their weapons were power locked. Tens of thousands of people at minimum didn't buy the expansion because their weapons were power locked. Grinding new weapons themselves is barely even a part of the gameplay, the thing we're grinding for is power increases. There's no good reason for it. Frankly, it runs counter to the entire premise of the product. Did upper management sit there and micromanage the caustic new art style of the previous expansion? Why do we have the most off putting quest givers I have ever seen in my life in the most off putting zone I have ever seen in my life? These were decisions by individual artists. Neptunians make Jar Jar Binks seem like a master class in good character design. It's just stomach churning to interact with. Any one of these things is enough to make most of the customer pool nope out back to Warframe, and we have them all converging. It's too much for one product to endure.

[quote]We know the devs are talented and care a ton about the game. They'd been begging management to let them make changes to increase player trust and retention and were constantly rejected.[/quote] Do we know this as a fact?

Here are some “employees,” literally running wild with the creativity that made Lightfall what it is. Just a sampling. https://youtu.be/Wtx0FFDkFcs?si=3m7u4__kihU3me6r

Depends. I'm sure there's enuf blame to go around. Notice who got fired, their dept, etc. You'll see some unspoken patterns emerge. QA- game is always broken so, as someone coming from QA/QC, they sucked at their job or Bungo just doesn't care about quality so its a redundant position CM- more interested in "social justice" over SOTG but mgmt was too scared to say anything, leading to bloat of unqualified employees that couldn't be fired outright, leading to mass layoffs Mgmt-allowed it to happen if not directly complicit The situation is more complex but its ultimately mgmt fault. Whether it be from hiring, development, QA, etc. the only ones that can kill Destiny is Bungie and we're all tired of saying "told you so"

I kinda will. As if i was a Dev..i wouldn't care about an NDA, id get all the Info i could get and Release it. This is Uncalled For, More Devs need to speak up.

I mean the game is in a bad state so technically wouldn’t that be the devs?

Layoffs suck, it happens.. Let's use common sense, if musicians and artists are getting laid off that means they've created the art and the music for what's upcoming and there's no more coming after that so why do you still need them anymore? Community managers.... If the community is this toxic are they managing anything properly? The ship is not on fire 45% decrease in revenue, is on us because we been burnt and didn't pre-order, it's just the end of a decade long road....

Absolutely. 👍 From info that’s coming out some of the devs were trying to change the game to bring people back/aid retention but had their ideas quashed by management. https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2023/11/01/the-bungie-and-destiny-2-situation-gets-worse-per-new-info/

Who’s blaming devs? We know it’s the leads and higher ups making these terrible decisions for years.