I don't understand. Bungie got rid of lag in Vannilla D2 by hiding other players' connection bar.

It's not true SBMM. Bungie's SBMM includes a filter for connection-quality. You are not sacrificing much. It's why I don't see lag in Comp, even though it uses "strict" SBMM (and it's also why it takes 5 minutes to find games... But that's besides the point).

Thats not the case here on the oceanic servers. Player base is so small I can't play competitive or any other game mode other than the main one. It just times out and say it can't find enough players so just count yourself lucky you still have people to play against. Often control is 5v5 or 4v4 from the start and the game doesn't find any extras players during the game.

There are ultimately not enough people playing crucible at any one time for what you want to matter. I get that the actual math is hard for people to figure out but the truth is at any given time, there are very few people available to match make against, rather sbmm is a thing or not.

That's how the game be when it was on battle.net, ppl need to just recognize that p2p and 50/50 elo mm are just bad regardless

Such a underrated statement, or fact rather. I vividly remember randomly duo queuing Control in Witch Queen, and the ENTIRE lobby was Brazilian. No exaggeration. Me and my teammate are East Coast USA. Lagging, and teleporting everywhere. The best part is the MM decided to keep everyone in the lobby for several matches unless we backed out, which we did. The comedian Katt Williams made a very intelligent joke once. Sticking up for his fellow comedian friend, he said “If Dave Chappelle was indeed a drug addict, why would he skip over all 50 states (where crack is actually made) to go smoke crack in Africa (where crack isn’t made)”. This was a joke about basic common sense/critical thinking, more-so peoples lack of it. I think about this joke every time I queue up PvP. How tf is a East Coaster landing in Italian, German, South American populated lobbies? I don’t care who I play against, I just want it to be clean. Unfortunately, the way this games infrastructure is setup, that’s not possible. With this fact being common knowledge, why is it not taken into account? Are you really telling me out of the thousands that play D2, the only team you can find me is a German 3-stack? A random Japanese, or Chinese player that is fragging out because nobody can challenge him based off peakers advantage, AND the dmg glitch from bad connection? Nobody in my state plays D2? Nobody 3 states over plays D2? Hypothetically speaking, if we were to assume California is the most dense population of D2 players, the algorithm completely skips over that and puts me on the opposite side of the globe? I’ve randomly matched strangers on my friend list more times than I’ve had clean matches across all PvP modes. Make it make sense.

I had enough time to snipe someone in the head, watch them die, not get credit and start calling bs before the game caught up and was like oh yeah no you did get the kill. Mans was playing with a 5 fps animation the whole game. Winning doesn't even feel like skill is a factor anymore, it's a lottery and you just hope you got the winning ticket.

Just asking a general question, not trying to be rude. Is lag an issue because: 1. You match with someone around the world? 2. Bungie’s servers and engine are old/ and or are not the best for a live service multiplayer online game in 2023? 3. It’s an online game, so therefore not everyone will have the same connection setup, and speeds compared to you?

Every time I get frustrated , I go out and run a hard mile . Then I come back and get frustrated.

I get your complaint en it’s fair. But you just have to Understand there is no middel ground. Someone has to suffer. And it’s simple bungie statement is if you have bad games you’re probleem in the upperskill lvl. And however f-up this is. You have to have to be separated from the avrg player. And so you have to suffer

"Regional SBMM" would essentially be CBMM or queue times longer than someone can graduate from college. The tiny playerbase thats left for pvp combined with the VERY restricted and limited crossplay results in SBMM being effectively impossible in this game. Long queues, terrible lag, sweatfiesta for decent players. It's simply not working. Yet these clowns keep insisting on it because they want money from noobs who think they play well by putting them in a bubble against noobs. Yay, capitalism.