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10/13/2023 11:09:42 AM
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The barrier that is social anxiety

Hello. This is a follow-up post from my "A question to those who don't raid" post. I saw a trend in the replies that social anxiety can be and is a big hurdle to people enjoying activities with others. I don't have this issue and have never known someone with this issue (probably due to the nature of the issue). So I pose another question(s) to you... What specifically causes your social anxiety in destiny and what does it feel like? Is it a mindset born out of self-doubt or from poor experiences in the past? Is it as debilitating as some claim it to be? What are some pointers for helping someone momentarily overcome their social anxiety so they can atleast try an activity? Thank you.
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  • Edited by Mental Athlete: 10/14/2023 11:35:16 AM
    This is a video game, you’ll never see these people, perhaps never even speak to them again in some cases, 97% of the time you don’t even need to speak to accomplish whatever you’re doing, just listen. It’s truly just performance anxiety these people have, and it’s probably because they underperformed on numerous occasions and got called out for it. Let’s be real here.

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    • Social anxiety can be absolutely crippling. I feel my palms sweating, my heart thumping, my mouth go dry and I am literally frozen. Often I just want to run away and hide. And I’m 57. It’s me, it’s who I am and how I live. Often I have to mask it just to survive, and that masking leads to more problems as I find it exhausting. I’m also Autistic with ADHD so I have a whole host of issues surrounding social interaction and playing the cooperative side of Destiny is extremely awkward and can be a disaster if not handled properly.

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      • For me personally its not social anxiety that keeps me from enganging with other players often, its the toxicity and randomness. You can have the greatest chill group on lfg that just has fun, respect and instantly pulls you in to have a fun 45 minute raid. Thats sadly a VERY rare 1/100 situation. Most of the times theres atleast one impatient elitist -blam!- who is stoned and brags about their awesome life accomplishments while kicking everyone with less than 500 clears of that raid and without a solo flawless crota clear. I've maybe done close to 150 raids throughout the span of D2 since 2017 and saldy only had a handful of purely awesome raid groups. THAT's the main reason i am a solo player. Trash behaving players are EVERYWHERE. (Besides the point that i dont play this game anymore these days because Bungie doesnt care about it anymore) just my 2 cents on the topic cause im bored :)

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        • Edited by Habibi: 10/16/2023 12:28:59 AM
          Hi, chipping in here. We have brought in many guardians that often had this experience in the past. Many have said it is the fear of the reaction from others when either dying or doing something incorrectly. Sadly, many have had traumatic experiences in the LFG groups and naturally that creates a fear of repeating the same experience. I think it’s important to help bridge the confidence back to those players who have had tough experiences and give them the courage to understand that wipes/encounters can fall apart and that nobody is solely responsible. Until there is accountability with “toxic” LFG groups this issue will become a regular occurrence. We need more friendly groups and toxic-free environments. Do better, be better and be kind. It is that simple!

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        • Part of it, for me at least, is the fear of messing up. I’m a bit of a perfectionist and one of my worst fears is messing something up for everyone else. I have a job so it’s not completely social anxiety cause I operate in customer support so you get used to jerks. I just don’t want to mess someone else’s raid run

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          • I have social anxiety but it goes away kind of quickly once I feel comfortable enough to talk and socialize but I don't like playing with random people at all in this game to be honest. I don't like LFGs at all as it's really hard to get help with Raids and Dungeons. Also LFGs is awfully toxic as well, not to mention that it's filled with bots as well. I tried getting help to prepare for Beyond Light doing strikes and I got bullied for not having the right mods and not having specific mods needed for the Strike and at that time I was still kind of new to Destiny and they left me and that hurt me to the point where I kind of teared up. LFGs also ruined Raids for me to the point where it is the most not fun activity to do. I really wish I can do a Raid from start to finnish but it's never going to happen. Hell I don't even want to do Raids at this point. LFGs pretty much ruined the multiplayer aspect of this game for me sadly. I rather just play by myself even though I struggle a lot and wish to do Raids and Dungeons but it's not worth it because of the experiences I had in the past. I Haven't done a Raid for about 3 years now sadly.

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          • It stems from the toxic community. Back in D1 you would get yelled at and kicked for causing a wipe. Not to mention all the stupid LFG posts saying "must have emblem" "must have gally"

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          • Edited by silentbutviolent: 10/13/2023 11:23:38 AM
            pretty simple really. people want to just be accepted and supported. but, there are simply too many toxic players so why take the risk? i personally don't have the anxiety but if there are people in fireteams that are toxic (doesn't even have to be towards me), i'll leave in a heartbeat. can't stand that.

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            • It's more of an excuse not to put themselves out there and accomplish anything. Call it what you want, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter...some people get things done and others don't. Nobody else is responsible for what you do in your life.

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              • It isn't an issue. People just need to adapt and grow up. Otherwise, they're going to have serious issues when they enter the real world.

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              • I think a lot of people confuse "social anxiety" for fear of messing up. After all no one wants to be the reason why they wipe, and no one wants to be yelled at for it.

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                • Back in D1, I used to be afraid to legit talk, panic and I’d freak out. So for all of D1, I ran every raid and trials without a mic. People were nice to understand that and helped me out through raids and trials without the mic. But over time I got over it and it’s nice.

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                • When it comes to joining posts, ya never know what kind of people you’re dealing with. Things as little as tone can get you the boot. Like the time in garden’s first encounter where this guy’s accent sounded like he wanted a position that didn’t exist. After calling the position he meant twice, then he clarified and I said “Fine, whatever” in a neutral-if not slightly annoyed tone. There was silence and then a kick. Stuff like that was why I didn’t raid again till season of the deep (and RoN). It’s funny cause a few times people remarked on how quiet the group is. Well, we aren’t friends and don’t know who’s a fuse waiting to blow

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                  • Edited by Lunchy_Munchy: 10/14/2023 12:03:10 PM
                    Is it "social anxiety" though ?? Maybe people just avoid others in this game simply because a lot are utter oxygen thieves. People who join Nightfall's and just stand around AFK. People not playing the objective in activities, I have lost count of the times I have had to carry all the crystals in Spire because my team mates are running around shooting ads, then I die because no one is shooting the wall of enemies ahead of me for some reason. Go into any matchmade activity and there are players everywhere who seem to think it's everyone else's job to do the objective because they are doing what they want to do instead. Dares is a prime example, in legendary about half are playing the objective while the rest run around doing whatever they think it is they are doing. Every single Deep Dive .. Two of us are stood at the orb shooting the other team mate to get their attention. While they ignore us and just leap around shooting ads. Gambit .. Yeah, never mind the blockers. I'll get them. You just run around trying to get fifteen motes when all we need is four to get the Primevil. And don't shoot the two bosses so we can damage the Primevil, no you just hang around the portal waiting for an invasion window so you can kill no one and be back within ten seconds. Crucible .. People in Supremacy who do not pick up the crests. I am sure there are people who avoid raids and dungeons because they are anxious, or nervous about not being any good. But I bet there are many more who just want to avoid people who think the rest of us are there to do everything they cant be bothered with. I did a strike the other day and one player kept constantly running in front of me. When I was stationary and firing they would move in front of me. No idea why, it's a huge map and there is plenty of room for everyone. He just wanted to be where I was for some reason, the whole strike he did that. No reason for it. Some people just like to be annoying and games like Destiny are the perfect thing for it. Go on, how many times have you sat fuming because team mates cannot be bothered doing the objective, even when it's written on the screen ??, people are literally told what to do and they still can't manage to fire up enough brain cells to work it out for themselves. Maybe people are just tired of banging their head against the wall of unfathomable stupidity. I often turn the game off and go play something like Witcher, Red Dead 2 or Gran Turismo 7 after trying to get something done with people seemingly determined to do anything but. Maybe it's frustration in a lot of cases rather than anxiety.

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                    • If someone is being a jerk online in an LFG group, just answer everything they say with "So?" "OMG you blew this run, you suck" - "So?" Or, a lot of them use phrases that are unoriginal and already tired. "Hey git gud or GTFO" (I don't know if they say that or not because no one bothers me in LFG groups...) Just call them out. Ask if they have an original insult because you hear that one all the time or something. Just find a way to throw it back on them. "Hey you aren't a good teacher, explain it better" Basically get confrontational and stand up for yourself.

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                      • Like any mental condition, it is very complicated and varies from person to person. There are so many types of it and so many variations and intensity differences. I had a friend who would end up in emergency cause of it, thinking he was having a heart attack. He would start sweating, couldn't breathe, heart rate would go wild, chest pains, etc. There was no doubt in his mind that he was dying, and yet he was phisically perfectly fine. It's some messed up stuff. Usually, it's not that severe, but it's a handicap anyway.

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                      • I don't want to waste other people's time. I literally stopped playing Deep Dives because there are too many different goals and I only finished the questline by reloading private instances until I got the "easy" boss to solo.

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                      • Too much toxic people in the game for those that can’t be bothered. Some people can ride out all the annoying people, but a lot would rather just do a hard pass.

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                        • Saw that other post and almost made me want to host Raids for anti-social forum-goers Almost

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                          • Used to have anxieties with lfg in d1. Got over it. Was me not wanting to mess up, or feel like I wasn’t effective on the team or say something stupid…meet enough toxic players you’ll get over it fast. Nothing you can do will top how terrible a person they come off as. Peep the vibes, tone of the voices, or txt tells how much patients they have. “Crota, cheese, kwtd”…whole time they’ve ran the cheese 20 times and fail and take it out on the new comer 🤣.

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                          • Edited by Lord Indra: 10/14/2023 5:24:34 AM
                            So many variables.

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                          • Google is your friend. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/social-anxiety-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20353561

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                            • Social anxiety.... In a video game? Wow

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                              • The fact when you get into doing a raid with randoms. You have six different personalities with six different end objectives. People that are out for the helping others is a dying breed. On my first account with D1 I would help level 26’s finish every encounter with Crota. Helping anyone and everyone from lfg. After every struggle on Crota one of our people would always bow out and we hit up our constant Crota sword bearer. His gamer tag was Grim—-***** something or other. ***************** Does anyone know how to see raid report from D1? ****************** My crew we ran with once carried someone sleeping the entire VOG raid, and then again someone else sleep through Oryx. I had a falling out with my crew once WotM hit. We had amassed too many that played at same time. I am proud my crew went blind and finished WotM in top 350 teams day one. But I’ll never forget me as a smoker, and not smoking inside would have to step away every hour or so, and having failed for an hour straight or two hours at an encounter I would take a smoke break. 2-5 minutes So on second character runs for WotM I was booted for some one else in our crew. Kicked from team, kicked from party chat, and that was the downfall of my social anxiety within this community. Been solo ever since. Miss some guys I spent three years playing everyday with for up to 10 hours a day. While working 40 hours a week and still cooking dinner every night taking care of my personal life. Almost a perfect time in my life. My wife worked exactly an eight hour shift after I did my eight. Still made time to have dinner and spend every night together. I worked at 4:00am woke up at 2:30 every day regardless of working or not. Some nights only slept from 10:00 to 2:30 but like I said time of my life. Addicted to destiny, no way!!?!??!! Social anxieties have ruined me from playing group activities. But when engaged with some of these raids and such I have also noticed people are in it for them, do not mess with their goals, do not stall their progress on their personal agenda. Rant over. Sorry I have already stayed I am socially awkward!!!!!!!!

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                              • Edited by Hawpy: 10/14/2023 2:24:06 AM
                                It's a bit late to be saying this when we're 9 years in, but the earlier you get started, the better. If you couldn't do it in the past, the next best time is now. I'm no social butterfly or charismatic charmer, but I have no fear or anxiety in a game setting because I know my stuff well enough and am confident in my abilities to execute the mechanics. If I'm not comfortable with the group because they're simply not nice people, I have no problems with leaving; the clear isn't more important than having a bad experience. For the next Raid and Dungeon, I can't recommend enough that someone who is anxious about joining does it early, in the days and weeks where everyone is inexperienced. Everyone has questions, everyone will make mistakes and being vocal about something might solve a problem that others in the group had also been facing. The bad people out themselves by asking for KWTD immediately, most other people are perfectly reasonable. The sooner you get in there, the faster you'll build up confidence in the activity, and people will easily overlook whatever awkwardness you feel as long as you can hold your own. I think the same goes with speaking in a group. Sitting there in silence for a while and having people question if you even have a mic and the ability to hear them isn't going to make the first words any easier. I think the best thing you can do when you join is say hello, mention why you're there - any items you want, learning, sheer boredom - and say literally anything related to the game; maybe someone made a stupid callout in a previous Raid/Dungeon and everyone laughed, perhaps you saw the most unfashionable player to ever exist, perhaps someone in the team is using a gun that you really like but others usually don't; these are bits of dialogue that you can prepare before even joining, if needs be. People like hearing others talking about things they like, and it reaffirms their own enjoyment with the game. I hope this doesn't come across like "that's easy for you to say", but it's surprisingly easy to form bonds with other players over small things; at least, bonds that you only need to last a few hours.

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                                  I’m 30. Anxiety is irrational sometimes and it’s hard to pin point the cause. Absolutely crippling sometimes.

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