Abilities are very fun in pvp but they are really frustrating to fight. They are very easy to use and effective. They could be less free, more consistent and more skilful. For example, shield throw flying straight with a big hitbox but having limited tracking, knifes removed tracking but a cooldown buff or shoulder charge reduce tracking angle(mabye some other melees) but reduced energy consumed when moving. This could allow more counterplay unless the powerspike more appropriate (super, kill streak, cornered, etc). I would like to see if ways to get buffs before combat can be be reworked instead of nerfed/buffed eg:(bastion, cyrtarachne's, juggernaut, Antaeus, vanishing step, etc ). These are just examples but if they had stronger but riskier/limited(eg: icefall) functionality they would feel more impact full and fair. New fun modes and maps are very cool but they take time so I wanted to recommend the idea of more earned and fightable power spikes as a design strategy(Not necessarily less often). I'm not a game dev and don't know how much more fun this would be but I wish this strategy could be tried at least. RIP sword guard in pvp(it was fun while it was good) thanks Bungie for this feedback opportunity even if i'm ignored

I think a protect the leader game mode would be great in 6 vs 6. The leader on both teams are the only players with special abilities. The rest of the the team will rely mainly on gunplay as well as their class ability. This means the leaders have to be the ones slowing the play down for their team mates and using their special abilities to the team’s advantage. Once you kill the leader you will have to crush their ghost saving them from being sniped from across the map. Meaning that you will have to get close in order to finish them. You have 10 seconds to crush the ghost but the enemy team can also revive in that time. Heavy ammo will spawn in the middle halfway through every round. The leader changes every round based on who killed the leader in the previous round, for the opposing team it would be highest kills. This gives players even more of an incentive to be the one to kill the leader. Used to love playing this game mode in gears of war back in the day and think it would be a brilliant addition to the rotating game modes inside pvp! I understand that crushing a guardians ghost doesn’t fit in with the lore but it’s a pvp game mode and an existing mechanic within the game.

[b]Auto Rifle balance tweaks.[/b] [i](I actually love ARs.)[/i] I am a big fan of ARs and I am very happy to see them in a competitive place at the moment. I know there are growing pains with ARs coming back like the new kid on the block, but as an avid AR enjoyer I am worried about them being nerfed too harshly. I want them to be tweaked without ruining them for even more years. If I were to nerf ARs, I would reduce their intrinsic anti-flinch, and reduce their maximum 100-stat range to be about equal to hand cannons. Autos currently have up to 25% built-in anti flinch based on Stability. If you nerf that down to 20% or 15%, and make their max range equal to Hancannons maximum, I think it might feel a bit better to duel against at distance. That, and/or nerf Ammit's Range by 10 points, because my own Ammit has 91 Range and basically 100 Stability even with Full Bore because of DSR+TTT+Omolon, and its so silly lol

-Remove AE. It isn't fleshed out, "building into it" is based on what crappy exotic you choose, and what weapons offer better AE. There is disparity in weapons like HC's. -QP and IB shouldn't be less fun than Trials. The fact that I have a more casual experience in Trials versus QP speaks volumes. The team are always imbalanced, and, if you jump in solo, you are relegated to fighting stacks. The higher the skill level, the worse QP experience you will have. -outlier exotic armor needs to be addressed. **cough** anteus wards. Nuke it. Just nuke it already. Also, PK's do too much for one exotic. If they can take melee lunge from ophidians because the exotic had too much going for it, then PK's with its movement speed, AE, auto reload, increased handling, and added stability must be on another level entirely. Exotics have to have a give and take. Ahamkara's spine- does too much to maintain the grenade spam. The grenades are already busted and players gain more grenade energy on hit. Plus, blast radius, burn, and grenade health. Its ridiculous. -weapons: Forerunner- too much ammo starting off. 6= 2 kills. 8= overkill. If Lord of wolves was reduced to 10 because 15 was too much, then the same should be said about Forerunner. Slash it to 6 for balance. Trace rifles- again, too much ammo. Trace rifles are special ammo, have increased range than the average primary and a faster TTK than most primaries. They should have just enough ammo to secure 2 kills with perfect precision. Snipers, shotguns, GL's don't start off with more than 2 shots and those shots don't guarantee kills. Trace rifles shouldn't have enough ammo to essentially guarantee two kills. BALANCE in special Fighting Lion- Has too much going for it. If you have a GL with infinite ammo, it shouldn't have a large blast radius or do as much damage as it does. It's too easy to weaken a player and then clean up with another primary like a sidearm or SMG. The team needs to look at it before it becomes even more troublesome. Wave frame GL's- reduce damage. Ease of use is high. Fusions- its been addressed by the team, but they are absolutely broken in range and perks. Comp: - rewards should be farmable or *craftable*. - Pure rank based Weapon and armour ornaments should be a thing in Trials and reserved as a possible drop in flawless. *Find a way to monetize PvP to ensure a team is made for its continued health in the future. Crazy, I know. Someone has to continue to health once the strike team is gone.

The matchmaking still doesn't feel fair at times. Basically doesn't feel like I'm having any real impact on the outcome of the match win or lose. Which makes me not want to play since the outcome feels like it does change based on my play. Combat feels too fast for me; feels like if I don't get the first shot I'm screwed. It doesn't feel good when when pvp balances affect the pve sandbox and vice versa (tower barricade cool down increase). The reason for the increase was given for pvp which makes sense but reason given why the increase was needed for pve. This makes me feel resentful of the pvp game mode, that my power in pve is decreased because of it.

I would like to see more reasons to grind pvp. For example, why not for Iron Banner include the Lord of the Hunt ornament for Point of the Stag as a very rare drop (such as the bone armour ornaments this season). There's already a good amount of ornaments in game that are no longer obtainable even after the respected weapons have returned. Instead of putting these legendary ornaments in the bright dust shop as we have seen in the past, I think they should be added to the loot pool as/when the weapons make a return. Further, ornament creation for trials/iron banner weapons (even if it is just 1 new ornament per season) would be a welcome reward addition alongside the emblem and shader drops. Working as a parody of the ritual weapon ornaments available after resetting vendor ranks. (E.g. Guiding Sight just made a comeback, so why not include an ornament for that weapon to get people more invested in farming for a god roll)

Add freelance options back to PVP modes. Remove AE from the game. Add new armor sets to PVP modes other than Trials of Osiris.

nerf hunters.... just for the meme

Slides and spam crouch are too oppressive and screws up dueling fights with weapons. They should have some sort of cooldown/penalty, just like titan's shield bash movement and warlock's icarus dash.

Bring back a two player game in crucible. The idea I have is more of rumble meets showdown except it’s to survive and get as many kills or take away kills as possible in the 10 minute cap or reach a score of 30 points as a team. Two person teams, 6 teams and you gain a buff similar to the valentines mode except that you can take away kills with revives. Other than that the only issues I have are that spawns are still broken, too much ability spam, too many over shields, lopsided matchmaking and PC players having an advantage because they can turn and fire faster with no penalties as well as being able to swap weapons faster because of key binds. There should be some way to even the playing field so that when PC players and console players are in the same lobby that the PC players have their turning speed and weapon switch speed brought down to that of console. Oh and are you ever going to address vault space again? I have a great idea on how to fix it.

Trials of Osiris! Let talk about the changes that have made it almost impossible for players to go flawless. I have been playing trials since D1 and I have over 212 flawless runs throughout my career and I manage to go flawless at least once every weekend. But it is not all fun and games! Since the match making changes to connection based or whatever it is now and the removal of the flawless and non-flawless pools it is way more difficult. I have heard streamers say oh it is so easy now and you get an extra loss on the Mercy card. But that doesn’t help when I have to sweat in every game and start my runs over because I hit stacks or randoms that are on their 20th flawless run for the weekend and have a 2.5+kd! There can’t be that many 2.5+ players but man are they in my matchmaking way more than the majority of the population who is under a 1.0kd. I would ask that bungie reinstate the old style matchmaking based on the win you are on! That makes since! It should get more difficult as the wins progress making it a real tournament style. I would also ask that the flawless pool be reinstated to pull out the players who clearly have no problem making it flawless against anyone they face. This will also encourage Carrie’s and helping those in the community who want to go flawless but can’t. I have completed 9 sherpas in Trials and I was able to help players who had never been flawless prior to the matchmaking changes and removal of the flawless pool. Now I can barely help myself, let alone anyone else! Also, trials is no longer a team sport! These changes have made it so that even if I put together a stacked 1.5+ kd team we can’t make it past game one for the 2.5+kd teams and because it is connection based they are the only ones we hit every single run. So I tried duos and that is just as bad. So I have to run as a single player which takes a lot of the fun out of it because there is no communication and I go to the lighthouse by myself! I would say that matchmaking, where if I am in a three stack and I only hit three stacks should be removed. It should be random and based on the win you are on. If someone enters a tournament solo they should face the consequences of hitting three stacks. It does give the three stack an advantage, but it encourages players to make those teams. Have a solo playlist for those who want to avoid teams all together. I should not be on my first game of the day playing a two stack who is on there 10th flawless game for the weekend. Trials is supposed to be difficult and it should encourage communication and team play, not solo runs. Just like raids do! You go in with a team! Also, why are PVP players punished for swapping to an exotic that is literally only good while using a super and then swapping back to something that is useful during normal gun fights? I was surprised at this change. It removes the players strategy to utilize their resources and gear that they have spent so much time grinding for. If everyone has the same opportunity to do this why remove it. You have already nerfed most of the exotics that provided any benefit to getting your super back from kills with it. PVP should have a combination of gun skill and strategy utilizing supers and gear. Just some of my thoughts. Thank you to Bungie for providing this opportunity to provide feedback. Hopefully you consider the normal players in the community as opposed to streamers who are profiting off of your choices.

I give up just saw this take from lucky10p “Sbmm is the norm in pvp games so it’s not going anywhere it would be weird” you know what else is the norm in pvp games? DEDICATED SERVERS!. The game is plagued by lag you can’t just throw your hands in the air and give up! I am sick to death of this conversation because it seems so obvious that if you want to retain pvp players focus on people who like playing pvp you can’t have a system that is punishing them for skill the better you get the worse the connections get the worse the game gets.

Crimson Days! 2v2 was my fave.

Dedicated Servers Old game modes & new: mainly crimson days and combined arms. -Crimson days really felt like I had a reason to go into pvp as a casual player. Even if it came back for 2-3 weeks with a new gun and an armor set, it would help fight some of the late season drought. Additionally, this may be fun to throw into the new episode format if it wouldn't interfere with. -Combined arms was another fun game mode and it's one of the first things I check out when I log back into destiny 1, the BTB feel is unbeatable. If you could add more players too it would become a very popular game mode as well. ------Even combining this with relic could add a truly crazy game mode. -An infection game mode, or many of the others listed on other posts Game mode target farming: -If you put certain weapons into certain game modes for say 1-3 days and rotate, you can have people target farm specific drops while also get more players into under represented game modes. Map voting: -Don't need to elaborate much on this Custom games rule editor (since anything like forge could be difficult to make): -I don't know how difficult this would be, but giving players the options to combine rules and gameplay options from different game modes could give players much more freedom in making their own games. -----I say this because providing a map editor would be way too difficult to build and ship and any reasonable time frame and not take away from other aspects of the game. -----Example: Combine the iron banner rules where once all zones are capped it spawns a rift. -----Example: Add zones to a ruble match to have a make shift king of the hill game mode -----So having a more in-depth editor to modify rules and requirements for certain things in games could let the community make more of their own experiences. -If something becomes really popular in the community maybe consider adding it, because if they community made it and like it, then they'll definitely play it.

If at all possible, remove AE. It’s just an overall nuisance to play with. It’s not fun. Even if AE was created because of Strand, it doesn't matter. Players jumped around like crazy, sniping each other in the air before this awful change. Strand wouldn't have made it different. Even if Strand is the problem, add the AE effect when using a grapple or when you get suspended. AE is just an overall bad feature. I still can't believe it's been in the game for a year. I really, REALLY would love it if this were a suggestion y'all would consider. [b]Please[/b], and thank you for the ability to give at least our suggestions on making PvP better from our experiences. PS: Please buff Sunbreaker in PvP…

I would like to see Map voting, similar to what was in Halo Reach. The format would be: -Find a good match of player (example is some times a match gets broken up since it was one sided, wait for a full group of player to get matched up again) -Players have a short window to vote between 3 maps and a neither option If they vote neither then another three maps show up but there is no neither option. There are some maps that people just hate, and giving the player the power to influence what they play on will help. If the map I dislike wins the vote, then at least I voted against it. With new maps interring the map pool with the map pack, I would also like to choice to play on them instead of just hoping for it to appear at the start of a match. Even if this extends the time to get into a match by 30 sec I think it would make my experience better. Now to change things up you can also put in multiple game modes as well. This way you can combine game modes like relic and team scorched. Then in the voting, players get to select the map that has a game mode with it, again like it was in Reach. This will allow for more variety in game mode within the same node, instead of it being on a weekly rotator.