I vote for cbmm... I'm not a sweat or a try hard, I do not want to stomp lesser players, I'm mid asf on my best day... Why? well I've seen no difference in lag or match making times between sbmm and cbmm. Actually I'm performing the same.. My vote for cbmm is because I can no longer play with my friends, we are all different levels of players and sbmm matchmaking doesn't care, sbmm matches our best player and that's who we are matching against on the other team everyone at that best players level, so nobody wants to play together anymore. I'd rather not play Destiny then play Destiny as a solo player, to me playing solo is not fun .

It must be so nice to 'go in with fun loadouts [and] play around'. Screw you OP, and your god gamer privilege...

Its been a better experience for me when compared to CBMM. Almost every game in CBMM, all my teammates would have a negative kd. At least with SBMM, while it can still happen, it is much less frequent compared to before. Plus I get to meet more people around my skill level with the new system.

I think you meant Bungie left pvp to rot and die

Agreed; it's weird that they can't just make a playlist for one with SBMM and one without, and let natural selection happen. It's strange that it must absolutely be one or the other with no choice.

The only reason they need sbmm is because of how long the game has been out with the same maps and a lot of the same weapons. Someone who has been playing d2 crucible for 7 years is going to stomp on any newbs. They need to come out with new maps and different guns for pvp only every year or come out with a new game. That's the only way to make it fair and balanced

How much of a difference do you think Kronos and Zym make at any level not just the higher end of the skill bracket?

I just started playing destiny for the first time yesterday in like 5 months. I’m going against users with KD over 2.5 Does that mean I’m really good? Usually when you hardly play a game it takes time before I get put in those lobbies I must be god tier

To repeat for the umpteenth time, just for those that don't know -- Bungie's "SBMM" is not true SBMM. It's a pseudo-version. It does not properly track and rank individual skill and matchmake according to that rating and/or fireteam average rating. What Bungie's false SBMM does is attempt to rank individual player skill - but then it expands the net when match-making so the teams paired together are not close in relative skill with one another. It also attempts to merge itself with CBMM -- so even if you have available players with similar skill; it'll favor players with a higher connection speed even if they might be considerably more skilled than you. What it [i]needs[/i] to actually do is more accurately rank individual player skill; then make matches based on that rating. For fireteams, it should skew the matchmaking by taking the average of the fireteam's individual ratings -- so that high-skilled players can't just party up with low-rank players to get a super-simple match. Unfortunately though - SBMM will always be a divisive battleground. The streamers and skilled players will hate SBMM, because it means they can no longer have high-kill matches as frequently for content videos/just goofing around. They will have to face players at or around their skill levels in every match and that means they will have to 'sweat', so to speak. On the other hand, for lower-skill players, SBMM when properly implemented is a blessing. It keeps you facing opponents that are right around your skill level; so you never have to go against pvp sweatlords or those fireteams that spend their lives in crucible and trials. You can practice and learn; and improve at your own pace - the downside being that improvement is slower, since you're not playing players that are [i]that[/i] much better than you.

Someone is being exposed

[quote]The meta spam and camping and team firing is just so bad. I can’t go in with fun loadouts play around. It’s either use meta-or get stomped. Not to mention how slow the games go because everyone scared to peek. It’s not bad when you have a connection-based option, but when trails takes that away, it’s either play trials or don’t play nothing. Plus when you’re in the upper skill you’re facing Kronos, and all other cheats. If you want an SBMM playlist, that’s fine but can we at least all ways have a connection base regular 6v6 at all time. Not this team scorched or Mayham just regular controlled connection base.[/quote] So your upset that Destiny has matchmaking like every other dedicated PvP game on the planet? Bungie cant cater to people who want to use meme loadouts and people who want to play seriously. Imo they should keep it as SBMM as thats a default for almost all PvP games. Not only that without dedicated servers CBMM only connects people who connect to Destiny Servers well they can still be 2 timezones away