The only issue I have with Aztecross’ video is that the video came about 3 years too late. The damage has already been done…
Please watch if you haven’t already.
https://youtu.be/nsIdPWB2_JA
correction to my statement. “Cross speaks on the behalf of the majority of destiny 2 players that don’t have a large audience or platform to be heard”
Happy?
And Have you watched the video yet?
A few people are replying off subject talking about the source. The fact that this is coming from a streamer.
The point is that someone with a huge following/ platform made a video voicing what most of us have been saying for a long time. Most of us don’t have an audience like he doesn’t therefore we aren’t ever heard.
Stay on topic.
Did you watch the video?
Do you agree with the points Cross made?
Or do you disagree? If you disagree, why?
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Edited by GodScoper: 6/24/2023 10:51:33 PMPeople hate it because they are sick of how the game is heading. I watched his and 10 other reactions of people and their thought's and all pretty dead on, how bungie slowly trying to let Destiny 2 be on life support just to get money for other new IP games. plus higher up, need to wake up and stop thinking about all that money and listen to the community and developers that enjoy games also. 1A) pvp: B- No, really new maps for a long time, and the only new map released was so downvoted it's being lowered/ removed from the map poll. That or bring old maps back in the rotation C- pvp meta is still terrible and shouldn't take Bungie 3-6 months to fix a broken build without disabling it. D- comp- is a joke, comp ranking system should just be removed and have just a number of points. loot from it doesn't really exist or is worth playing it. Why am I being punished in a solo queue if my teammates leave or force reset and get loss? E- trails: yeah tweaked it to help players but also can't really play a team of 3 without getting stomped most of the time. i have 2 older friends that want me to run with them but every time we played also against Super Sweats. If I run solo/ duo isn't as terrible. F- loot: for real who wants a PVP glaive that doesn't have the best perks? G- maps: why are spawns in some maps still terrible and one-sided heavy spawns? H- connection: I get server issues sometimes but why are players lagging and wrecking the team and skipping everywhere and don't get kicked? I'm sorry if started lagging at any point should be kicked or be instantly killed and spectate until your connection improves. PvE: 2A- season price/ pass: rewards don't bother me really at all, careless of pay to win people saying. For season price increase I completely understand but what the heck with drip feed content been receiving lately? 5-10 minutes doing something and all dialog and done for the week? The season story is probably 30 minutes long for the entire season. being forced to pay $15 plus for that season and another $10-$20 if want a dungeon? B- untested exotic armor every season with being disabled has to stop. new armor comes and is disabled for 2-3 weeks or longer C-Bungie app/ website: for the love of god because fix the bot's spamming messages constantly, been like this for almost a year now have about 300 messages from them or have the option to delete all messages. D- please return the power level or something worth investing in. Right now zero reasons to play unless the loot is good or the season pass gets 100 stop playing until the new raid/ dungeon/ gm release. E- commendation: wtf is this Bungie First zero reason to do it because of zero rewards or return investment on it. second, my other account is free to play, and cant get past level 5 because requires owning a season pass so can't get all mods/load-outs. F- I'm sure missing stuff but main points so far. Gambit: 3A: where do I start? Bungie if don't want to support it anymore just at least release a statement or bring back vaulted maps. Note: I don't play it at all unless seasonal challenge but still. 4: microtransaction: listen Bungie I know need to make money but STOP with all pop-ups about pay now and get event card rewards, we need more secret missions like zero hour and whisper for change. B: It's so hard and irritating trying to explain to my new friends that want to try the game but with 12+ DLC options and a price tag for everything $400+ for old content should be bundled together by now for $60-$70 sorry forsaken should be in Destiny 2: Legacy Collection (2023) with Bungie 30th Anniversary Pack. C: new light experience- new players I'm so sorry if trying the game out without guides and friends teaching you. with zero stories in-game without buying $40+ and still have zero sense of story because Bungie keeps removing everything, from the seasonal story and vaulted stuff. My friend tried playing the game but after 20+ popups telling buy this and buy that and quest pop up require to play that and use that he deleted the game in an hour and blocked it. conclusion: I pay for the deluxe edition every year and invested in a game since d1 but I'm with major vocal players and helped so many friends and people in raids and dungeons that, Bungie spark isn't there anymore and now becoming a money pit for them like gta5. After the final shape, I'm also dropping the game/ only playing if something in return. As for the marathon goes, nope won't be playing it because of the same fate for destiny after a while. note: sorry for the terrible spelling and grammar, just worked a 25-hour shift and English isn't my first language.
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7 RepliesLike how so many people say streamers ruined the game yet didn't unfollow them.
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4 RepliesHe doesn't, he speaks for the game that gets him views, this is just a symptom that the game is so abounded even steamers are alarmed He's going to lose his income soon and it will be well deserved
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I would have more respect if he spoke on this years ago and was more consistent with his criticism. His video has a good message, a message that many people have already outlined for years despite being constantly dismissed and ridiculed by Bungie fanboys for saying the exact same things said in this video. He is literal years late to this outrage party and the damage has been done to the point that Bungie won't change, they don't have to. Bungie have made their money, destroyed this game beyond repair, and are almost done updating it. The people still supporting this garbage company will most like not stop supporting no matter how far Bungie goes with the anti consumer practices. His stance on this comes off kind of disingenuous because while he has the right message, anybody with a brain knows this guy will not stop supporting and promoting Bungie horrible business practices no time soon. Him and all the Bungie shill youtubers jumping on the outrage bandwagon since his video now because it's a hot topic that will get them some cheap views. I give YouTubers like DSR joker and NovemberHotel...(who imo, Cross stole most of his points from for his video)...their props because, while they still support the game, they have been consistent on their criticism of it for years now.
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2 RepliesAs alot of others have noted, 'why now?' Obviously he's noticed a change in attitudes and is simply pandering. Nothing in his video is news to anyone familiar with Bungie, they've been anti consumer for years, abused psychology, used the worst aspects of mobile gaming mtx and still had the balls to charge a premium for content while calling it f2p. I think he sees a backlash coming and put on a dress hoping for a lifeboat ride when the ship sinks. Simple opportunism.
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4 RepliesHe never would of done this years ago, Too late now. All of a sudden when the game is almost over and he has to move on to something else, he decides to say something. He was fine with all of this for the last 4-5 years
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His viewership going down or something? Cause I think it is across all destiny streamers/YouTubers.
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1 ReplyThis clown has never spoken for anyone besides his little wallet. Lmao these streamers are literally nothing more than -blam!- for companies like Bungle. Now that this trash is finally going down the drain he's ready to speak up. Yea sure buddy what a joke just like Bungle!
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1 ReplyHope bungie can see this is a wake up call
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1 ReplyEdited by BigSkinny35: 6/21/2023 10:22:34 PMTake notice all of the Bungie bots flooding the chat trying to change the subject.
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1 ReplyLmao he speaks for himself. That video had 3-6x more views than his regular videos. You people just need to be told what to think, have zero brains on your own...
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34 RepliesHe speaks for a pay check. Don't fool yourself.
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1 ReplyFor the peoples Yep Uneducated Cherry picking False statement Yep seem about right for the average D2 player
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Bungie isn't going to change anything, we've been talking about change for about a year now and almost nothing good has happened. The nerf to Divinity proves that they dont listen to their fan base anymore and only listen to the 1%. The nerf to Jolt indirectly nerfed Two Tailed Fox making it just another Void rocket launcher that CAN jolt. And no one asked for that.
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3 RepliesI disagree that a game that goes from 0 to premium and everything in between in terms of price is really trying to force costs on people. As far as the micro transactions maybe there is something that can be done. I guess I just never played this game from the perspective of the whole game better be mine. I go for very long periods without paying much attention to things that cost real money and I don't look at stuff in there and automatically think well that's something I could be having. I'm not saying that approach is necessarily the right one. That said sometimes some of the prices for some items do seem a little high but that's just like with a lot of other things that I'm not forced to pay attention to. Also since the criticism is partially about business practices everyone who does business using destiny should be open to having their business practices critiqued as well. It shouldn't be the main focus though. It's just that with a handful of them it's like they're saying the people who make the game belong in the ghetto while they should be sitting fabulous single family homes with super computers and all the bells and whistles.
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4 RepliesEdited by Krampus3637: 6/21/2023 11:24:32 PMHavnt watched the vid
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2 RepliesSelective memory is simply the best
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[quote]The only issue I have with Aztecross’ video is that the video came about 3 years too late. The damage has already been done… Please watch if you haven’t already. https://youtu.be/nsIdPWB2_JA correction to my statement. “Cross speaks on the behalf of the majority of destiny 2 players that don’t have a large audience or platform to be heard” Happy? And Have you watched the video yet? A few people are replying off subject talking about the source. The fact that this is coming from a streamer. The point is that someone with a huge following/ platform made a video voicing what most of us have been saying for a long time. Most of us don’t have an audience like he doesn’t therefore we aren’t ever heard. Stay on topic. Did you watch the video? Do you agree with the points Cross made? Or do you disagree? If you disagree, why?[/quote] He doesn’t speak for me
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7 RepliesNo… no he doesn’t, “speak for the people.” The duche doesn’t now, nor has he ever. All he is doing is creating drama/siding with conflict to increase views. It’s as simple as that.
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He doesn't speak for anyone but himself. Him and the folks that agree with him can all go pound sand. Some of us REAL gamers just enjoy games and dont' -blam!- all day and night about it. Hell, 3/4 of the people on these forums have either never played the game, or don't play the game. They just watch youtube videos about the game and come on here and -blam!- to pretend that they have meaningful lives. NO ONE CARES!
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Edited by Nebvla: 6/20/2023 9:01:17 AMHe speaks for himself, the people have merely been saying similar things.
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8 Replies[quote]Aztecross SPEAKS FOR THE PEOPLE[/quote] I thought "the people" hated streamers and blamed them for everything that's wrong with the game? Make up your mind
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All you broke bums promoting that video yet remained silent when aztec posted his cheat hardware video.
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21 RepliesAztecross does not speak for everyone or even me last time I check this streamer that u guys cry about always getting there way until u like what they say then it’s praise them pick a lane and stay in it
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34 RepliesEdited by Lightbringer: 6/20/2023 7:00:09 PMHe's making a sh!t ton of money from ad revenue now because y'all keep sharing his video. He has no room to talk about anyone being greedy. He's cashing in on currect outrage, bottom line.