https://twitter.com/TrialsReport/status/1668735331070255107 So I see the denial here is pretty huge still, as it will always be, as the community is partially responsible for the horrible state of PvP. This was posted from a Reddit post before blackout. But it needs to be posted here so people have any idea what they are talking about. The only reason HC is near SMGs is because of the recent cheese involving Behemoth. It's just garbage gunplay all over the place with cheesy melee everywhere. The entirety of PvP is in one of the worst states ever, and most top players seem to agree. This is basically just straight up stats people. Arc Titan is basically equal or close to the entirety of Hunters and Warlocks lol. These teams of stacks just rampage through Trials again and again, constantly matchmade against solos. You can configure the stats how you want, but the main logic here is very clear: Arc Titans have outrageous utility, and the cheesiest OHK's in the game via abilities. I do play all three classes now and then, but I will never become a melee muppet. It's just not how I roll in any serious PvP. Cry all you want, but Titans need a very clear nerf here, and Bungie needs to get weapon balance back in check. Comes a time.