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6/16/2023 4:11:14 AM
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Trace Rifles still need a pve damage buff
Sweet Business is a primary auto rifle that's basically a kinetic TR. In its current state, it feels pretty good between the 20% auto rifle buff + the 5% kinetic buff + the 40% exotic primary buff vs minors + the explosive rounds (15%). Altogether, it easily outperforms all legendary TRs, and I would argue is better than half the exotic TRs.
Even legendary 720 autos seem to outperform legendary TRs as they deal more damage per bullet, infinite ammo, and have a nearly identical TTK. So ultimately, legendary TRs only have a large magazine going for them.
Honestly I'd say there is only 3 exotic TRs that are worthy of using special ammo, but even still it's a hard sale.
So I feel the all TRs either need a 30% damage buff or should be downgraded to primarys for the infinite ammo. Also, their base range should be increased by about 10 meters since they basically have the same range and falloff as an auto rifle.
Side Note: sweet business with actium has about the same DPS as Cold heart with the warlock helmet.
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10 RepliesEdited by Magertron27: 6/17/2023 3:56:27 AMI've been saying for ages that TRs need to be changed back to Primary ammo. Would make them an option with Stasis and Strand builds.
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1 ReplyI have a Hollow Denial, Season of the Haunted, void with swashbuckler and a Retraced Path, Dares of Eternity, fire with incandescent. Both are crafted for one reason; adaptive munitions. I'm constantly turning to them to carry me through legendary activities. They do synergize with supers and builds. Yes they are weak. My Krait auto will out perform them in every way except it won't break shields. I agree a damage buff would make them superb! I used to like the cold heart, but I can't justify not using a exotic in the heavy slot.
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1 ReplyI could agree with legendary tr’s a bit…. But the synergy you can do with builds are far better than any other kinetic or energy slot in the game making them beyond fantastic. Since I use an exotic one on my build for the best output, I can not speak for legendary ones in any real capacity… But buffing the exotics anymore would make any content beyond easy per my experience
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1 ReplyOr just remove them from the game
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2 RepliesDiv Needs a damage buff especially against red bars because it's cool looking and I want to use it to kill stuff.
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Bit more damage and ammo would be nice.
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2 RepliesEdited by pcln3806: 6/16/2023 5:04:15 PMWhile I agree that they need a buff, top tier pve dweebs will use them as a primary replacement so they can get bonus heavy drops. I think a damage increase for an ammo pickup/reserve decrease would be fair
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3 RepliesAlso, if we’re going to get more Trace Rifles with Target Lock, Cold Heart would be sleeping in the players Vaults because that’s what it all got without the ionic traces. Prometheus Lens would be safe from that even if there’s going to be a Subsistence/Incandescent Trace Rifle because of the extra scorch stacks. Besides that point, i always seen Trace Rifles being more of a non LL locked weapon class. Weapons for normal Raids, Dungeons, Legend/Master Lost Sectors when leveled very high, and basic Strikes (except for Div, that’s more of a Master Raid/GM Weapon because of the 15% debuff crit aura for the team) because when i bring something like that into a activity where i would be 10, 15, 20, 25, or 30 LLs under or maybe lower, Trace Rifles just be primaries that soaks up Special Ammo unless i use the exotics. Cenotaph Mask for us Warlocks gives Trace Rifles a special support niche for higher levels since it benefit assists from teammates. Right now, Trace Rifles has being used in double special loadouts with a GL, Sniper, Shotgun, Fusion, basically any other heavier hitting special and the Trace Rifle being the “Primary” of that loadout (even though Machine Guns do that job better now)
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I would like better ammo, specifically on promethus lense, yes I admit I just don't want to let go of my fire button.
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1 ReplyKeep damage same, bump up reserves by 50%
