Yeah, you're right. Bungie would never make the playerbase meaninglessly grind boring content ad nauseum, now would they? Nor would they sunset your armor and weapons, forcing you to regrind again. Or, continuously raise the arbitrary level cap, to force you to forever grind just to get up to the seasonal level, so you can play the things you were already playing before, again. Or, charge you twenty dollars not to play through their dog -blam!- campaign on one character. And certainly, Bungie would never remove content people paid for, like four entire campaigns. Pull your head, out of your -blam!-. Bungie is one of the single worst video game companies in existence. They get by, because people remember they made Halo, and because "well, someday Destiny will be good." Meanwhile, Bungie shits out the worst story I've ever seen, featuring Dingus, and buff disposable Santa, and still can't make their servers work after six years.

Edit..after I posted this I saw just what a massive wall of text it was , so I am putting the tldr at the top , Destiny 2 is not good right now, and is surpassed by alot better games, but Warfarm is not one of them Grinding defense missions ad nauseum to relevel my warframe, my warframes powers,my gun, my companion, my sentinel, and every single item in my inventory from level 1-30 50 times just to be able to put the mods I want on them, or I could buy an affinity booster to make it take 999 defense missions instead of 1000 Just imagine in Destiny if you did a quest to get a new exotic weapon, but in its base form its terrible , but it has mod slots, but hang on, you need to live in the strike Playlist to level that weapon up to 30 so you can cut one of the mod slots in in half, but its still not great, so you have to reset it back to zero , and spend 100 hours in strikes again , just to do it again ,so you can make it a little better, reset repeat untill it doesn't suck , now imagine if you had to go through the same process for your ghost,ship,sparrow, each one of your guardians abilities, and that is what Warfarm is, Hamster wheels on top of Hamster wheels And I haven't even started on new content yet, new warframes, new weapons, you have to get the blueprint for each part, and each part has a small chance to drop by living in the new activity , just imagine if in Destiny you had to farm activities not for 1 single drop, but parts, "Hey guys, I got the vex mythoclast barrell, it only took me 100 clears, now I just need the the frame,stock, and receiver" , but, if you have a debit card, you can bypass all that and just buy the Vex straight out I am not defending Destiny, yes the story has gone to hell, and we paid 100% for a strand tutorial, but I am just calling out Warframe , because it's much more grindy than D2 has ever been, Bungie got rid of leveling weapons and armor to unlock there perks in year 2 of D1, and warframe is somehow better, even though 90% of the gameplay loop is just grinding gear levels I got to Mr and 22, and has I was in level 30 defense , on my Ivara Primes 10th trip around the Hamster wheel, I questioned the choices I have made in life, and quit , came back for new war, but guess what,couldn't play it because I didn't do the railjack grind, and the mech grind, atleast Bungie doesn't lock out new content if you haven't played religiously Warfarm is a pay not to play mobile game , there is some things it does better than Destiny, like clan areas, graphic melee combat, more customizable colors, free DLC(even though it takes 10 years for a 2 hour campaign), pets and sentinels that aid you in combat, but I just can't do the forma grind for each individual grind anymore

[quote]Grinding defense missions ad nauseum to relevel my warframe, my warframes powers,my gun, my companion, my sentinel, and every single item in my inventory from level 1-30 50 times just to be able to put the mods I want on them, or I could buy an affinity booster to make it take 999 defense missions instead of 1000[/quote] If you need fifty forma in one weapon, or well, anything, I'm going to let you know you're wasting your forma, because every item only has ten slots. You also shouldn't be forma-ing every weapon you own, as you only ever need it for steel path. If you're not stupid, you can make the game easy without ever releveling anything. You could grind defense missions, of course. You could also grind survival, excavation, extermination, assassination, or sabotage. Spy, capture, and rescue are a bit too short for effective leveling. If you feel a little spicy, you can grind teralysts in the plains of Eidelon, or just bounties in general for the free roaming areas. I'm sure you're familiar enough with that concept, being a Destiny fan as you are. Alternatively, you could grind the same strikes in Destiny that you've been grinding for the past six years, but this time everything does less damage, and it takes you five minutes longer because Bungie decided that would make it more fun. [quote]Just imagine in Destiny if you did a quest to get a new exotic weapon, but in its base form its terrible , but it has mod slots, but hang on, you need to live in the strike Playlist to level that weapon up to 30 so you can cut one of the mod slots in in half, but its still not great, so you have to reset it back to zero , and spend 100 hours in strikes again , just to do it again ,so you can make it a little better, reset repeat untill it doesn't suck , now imagine if you had to go through the same process for your ghost,ship,sparrow, each one of your guardians abilities, and that is what Warfarm is, Hamster wheels on top of Hamster wheels[/quote] Yes. Imagine in Destiny if exotics had some sort of drop, that would modify the exotic, and you had to grind for it. And imagine if it was a random drop. And then imagine if it had a low chance, and so you had to grind strikes, crucible, or gambit to get it (if you're lucky). And then you have to level up this modifier (we'll call it a catalyst, cause the name just seems to fit as if it's always been there, don't you think?), by grinding the same checkpoint in a raid that people have been grinding for four years. That certainly would be crazy, wouldn't it? And, well, you don't have to go through it with your ship, ghost, and sparrow, because your ship is nothing but a loading screen, your ghost is nothing but a skin, and your sparrow... there's only one sparrow actually worth using, because Bungie balances with all the elegance of a hand grenade. [quote]And I haven't even started on new content yet, new warframes, new weapons, you have to get the blueprint for each part, and each part has a small chance to drop by living in the new activity , just imagine if in Destiny you had to farm activities not for 1 single drop, but parts, "Hey guys, I got the vex mythoclast barrell, it only took me 100 clears, now I just need the the frame,stock, and receiver" , but, if you have a debit card, you can bypass all that and just buy the Vex straight out [/quote] You're right. Random drops suck. Like, imagine having a weapon, that can roll with four random traits, right? And you need four specific traits for it to be a "god roll". And the only way to get that weapon is from, say, dares of eternity, where the weapon only rotates in every once in a while. And you only have... hmm, just spit balling here, but say, a 11% drop chance for that weapon? Oh, and you also want it to have the right master work too. Yeah, that'd be a right pain. Now, grinding for the mythoclast? What a fun time that is, yeah? Especially since throughout almost the entirety of Destiny's lifespan, you have been incapable of getting more than three chances for it to drop a week. Imagine that, huh. Time gating loot, along with abysmal drop rates. But at least people don't have to pay for raids and dungeons, right? Especially just so they can have the chance to have a chance at the loot drop? Oh, sorry, as long as they are four years or older, yeah? But then, it is a raid, so the average player won't even bother with it anyway. Yes, I do agree. RNG sucks. Especially when you need to spend three hours with random people, explaining how encounters work on repeat, just so you can have one chance. See, that ten percent chance of a drop in Warframe sounds pretty bad. Until you realize you can do the mission in under three minutes. If you have bad luck, it's half and hour at most. And, if you have good luck, no one will hate you because they've run a raid 400 times and never gotten Vex once. [quote]I am not defending Destiny, yes the story has gone to hell, and we paid 100% for a strand tutorial, but I am just calling out Warframe , because it's much more grindy than D2 has ever been, Bungie got rid of leveling weapons and armor to unlock there perks in year 2 of D1, and warframe is somehow better, even though 90% of the gameplay loop is just grinding gear levels.[/quote] You quite literally are. You are defending via comparison, trying to assert Warframe is worse. You wouldn't feel the need to spend your time doing so, unless you felt the need to defend destiny. Don't lie, it suits you poorly. And don't try to placate me. We both paid 40$ for the worst story I've ever experienced in a video game. We both spend fifteen dollars every season, just to have the privilege to grind out a fomo battlepass, full of filler, and garbage (here's another 25,000 glimmer. Here's ten legendary shards. Don't you feel like you've spent your time well?). We've both, I presume, been doing this the past three years. New season comes out, back to the same three activites on repeat so we can get high enough to grind out raids, dungeons, master or grandmaster nightfalls, legend lost sectors, etc. We grind so we can grind. But we also have to pay. Yes, you grind in warframe. 100%. But every new expansion is a 100% free. A can fly, upgrade, and customize a space ship, shoot myself out of a canon into the hull of another ship, and pull a mech out no where in order to expediate the proces. None of which I have ever paid for. When the stories are lacking, and usually they are hit or miss, I don't feel robbed. Because I didn't buy them. And don't sit there and think "I spent sixty dollars just to listen to some baby faced 90's cartoon reject make perfunctory, cringe witticisms for eight hours, while also having no idea what was happening." You grind just as much in Destiny as you do in warframe. The difference is, I grind in warframe and a get a new frame. I grind in Destiny, and I get the same gun I already have 25 of, but this time with a slightly better perk combo. [quote]I got to Mr and 22, and has I was in level 30 defense , on my Ivara Primes 10th trip around the Hamster wheel, I questioned the choices I have made in life, and quit , came back for new war, but guess what,couldn't play it because I didn't do the railjack grind, and the mech grind, atleast Bungie doesn't lock out new content if you haven't played religiously[/quote] Mech takes a day. Railjack takes an hour. And doesn't lock new content behind playing their. You're correct. They lock it behind a sixty dollar paywall. [quote]Warfarm is a pay not to play mobile game[/quote] I'm not finishing the rest of that. You cannot state this, while defending a game that asks you for twenty dollars PER CHARACTER, in order to skip their campaign. That is the actual definition of paying not to play. And not only is it disgusting by that merit alone, but they want twenty dollars for it. Not five, which would be overpriced enough. Not ten, which would be egregious. Not fifteen, which would be morally condemning. No. They want twenty dollars, just so you can skip their content. Because otherwise, you have to play through it three -blam!- times. And why do you need to do that? So you can have the privilege of using the new subclass you already paid for. [spoiler]"By the way, here's an assassin's creed collab. You don't mind spending 25 dollars for one outfit, right?"[/spoiler]