I feel for Toasted. The majority of the game is locked behind finishing the campaign. There is nothing as frustrating as trying to find all the hours necessary to try over and over to run the campaign missions. It's so easy to say, "just do it." Well, I've been "doing it" since D1 and this is the first time I felt Bungie has really just said, "We're going to show you all this incredible stuff we created, but we don't care if you can't manage to get any of it." The indifference started with weapon crafting and the immense difficulty of casual players to ever obtain enough of necessary red borders and other materials to actually get any benefit. I'd be interested to know the percentage of regular Destiny 2 players who have yet to finish the campaign and be able to play the majority of Lightfall content.

Was going to upvote this but it’s sitting at 69… so

I completely agree. They raised the floor, and lowered the roof. Narrowed the experience. I think that the bonuses are tied to players time active in the game, so they made everything take that much longer. I just played through beyond light and witch queen and had a blast. More fun, more engaging, better story than lightfall. More notable touches like exo challenges, and crafting your own perks on weapons and the quests for the aspects of stasis. That expansion took you from running patrols to lost sectors to empire hunts to nightfalls to heroic exo challenges. It was both fun, rewarding, challenging and the difficulty was spot on, for me at least. Each time you were challenged to improve your skills, your builds, evaluate how you play, and what the meta should be for this quest, this section, all feeling natural to do. When i did I hard quest, it did feel good. Slowly turning your average casual into a soft shell, exited to try something harder. Enter Lightfall. Lets have massive balls of health, run at you in small arenas with platforms you can fall off, and lets have the balls of health do more damage to the player. Run and hide, only you can't really stay still and there is no cover as you get mobbed with the enemy density, and your not powerful so you can't really be aggressive, oh I fell off running backwards, or the adds just team shot me, or that dude grabbed me and one shot me cause I got too close. Also less rewards to be had outside of upgrade modules and shards. I didn't find it that fun. I felt relief that the experience was over. It felt unfair, and my time didn't feel respected, and wasn't a rewarding experience, loot wise or personal growth wise. I guess the move away from Activision to Sony is showing. Shadowkeep to Forsaken was the move from Sony to Acti. Draw your own conclusions.

That's why its stupid. Instead of adding a challenge, they simply turned up enemy health, which really only made things take longer. To make matters worse, you get the same rewards. Moreover, its somehow brainwashed people into thinking this was a good choice and apparently dont notice that they are working harder for the same pay. Its nuts. I dont think they really care about difficulty though. I really think they just want people logged in longer.

Stupid. Sounds like another consumer that didn't research before they made a purchase. Imagine the players that have been playing since 2014 & have been waiting for them to bring difficulty & challenge BACK to the franchise. What about these users? Bungie made a very obvious mistake by making the game super casual & easy with Shadowkeep. The passionate fan base has been championing for them to go back to the glory days of Destiny. They finally go back to the original formula & the few flys caught by the ish are upset it doesn't stick anymore. LOL.

I used to enjoy the challenge of soloing stuff. When I soled flawless-ed Shattered Throne I was over the moon. I tried to solo Avalon Legend yesterday. https://www.bungie.net/7/en/User/GameHistory/1/4611686018441943435?bgn=NeddyMorai 6000 kills and 200 deaths on the boss where you play gambit. I will never be able to do this. Basically Destiny no longer wants me as a player. Thats the only way I can view this.

Leveling up doesn't make much difference now. The change to Legend Lost Sectors has completely changed the pace of them. ... to really boring and pointless.

They're experts in alienation: They routinely alienate soloplayers, year in year out. They spent all last year alienating Warlock Class players. They alienated returning players by unnecessary power grinds. They alienated many in back-to-back LGBT stories - even supporters of said real world concerns. They alienated casual and any players who simply don't enjoy tedious levels of artificial difficulty. They've beyond alienated and actually killed off Gambit players by years of complete Gambit neglect. They've alienated Veterans with many thousands of hours of Destiny time by locking the ranks to a DLC buy-in. So, yeah, I feel your pain here but you should know they're experts at alienation.

Matchmaking in end game content might also be inclusive…. We can handle the down side bungie,just let all your community play your content.

Well in 2025 when bungies new cash cow comes out the only people still playing destiny 2 will be the addicts and that's a fact. So it'll become an even more absurdly shallow grind for nothing but scaling numbers to counter scaling numbers. A treadmill of nothing. And constantly asking for money to stay on the that vapid ride. Addicts are easy to use.

They never respected players time. They know the longer we are in game the more money they can possibly make. thats why you see lack of rewards, bad spawn points, long empty corridors, no sparrow areas, having to load to space before going to next activity, lack of mm, etc. they will do anything to keep you in the game longer, its not about good gameplay like it use to be, its about every dime they can squeeze out of you. Thats why its the only game (that i know of) that charges for an anniversary event

I’m sure these comments only served to make you feel more alienated. My clan would love to have you, and while we can’t help you with lost sectors, we can help with Avalon. The grind is a lot more tolerable in good company. Standing offer.