That's the thing though bungee never thinks remember the sunset system Yeah man you're not the only one there are tons of game journalists who were saying the exact same thing as you are.. however the biggest thing that they point out that the issue is balanced not the difficulty enemies have way too much benefit over the players more health more damage they have modifiers that can increase their overall defense like crazy when you combine multiplicity with iron.. I just think we need to have more modifiers active that can give us more of a survivability in that kind of situation the difficulty doesn't need to be reverted it needs to be reworked! https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2023/03/08/did-bungie-make-destiny-2-too-hard-with-lightfall/ Anybody can make a good build but the problem is if there's modifiers active that will make your enemies much more stronger than you regardless of your build there is clearly a balance issue. We had that same issue with division 2 when legendary difficulty was first introduced Ubisoft literally had to make at least 10 hot fixes just to improve balance just to make legendary difficulty playable! They also have the same issue as well constant bullet sponges but division 2 doesn't have infinite ammo so if that kind of mindset it was much worse with division two. You could even check out Reddit people are saying the exact same stuff that you are saying and many others are saying but the key is always balanced there's not enough balance nobody likes the way the difficulty is but people like surge and overcharge. Supposedly people are saying that it might get better if bungee buffs the base damage of primary weapons that basically having 25% increase damage with surge is not enough!

I don't know if it was my team yesterday, or just the difficulty increase, but I HATED the Mars Battleground Nightfall. It took 15 minutes, just to reach the 3rd tower at the beginning and I could not justify participating any further. I quit, I switched to Battlefield and I may try again today and see, but I'm pretty turned off of it. It does not seem like its worth the trouble. We had three, and this was just basic hero level Nightfall and enemies are infinite, yet even the Thrall take forever to kill, at the proper 1760 level, and we couldn't keep up, not to mention nobody could focus the Unstoppable, but I think I was the only one stunning the d*mn thing. All it did was just glanced me with the eye blast and it was instant death. I died like 5 times just on the unstoppable. It was ridiculous. I'm hoping it was just a bad team matchup, but they seemed like they were trying, though I think I was the only one really equipped, but it just wasn't happening. I don't know, what are other experiences with this Battlegrounds?

Here’s my problem with heist battlegrounds; they are designed as seasonal stuff, three months and not that much difficulty, the problem lies that these maps are also really poorly designed, in the boss room there is 0 cover what do ever and no places to really get away, with so many ads there is nothing you can do besides fight it out and pray that you do not die, it is disgusting

Reducing guardian power and resilience and, at the same time, making combatants much stronger is simply said the laziest way to increase the difficulty. The game now is not more challenging in a fun way it's just more annoying and frustrating. Activities that used to be a breeze are not doable anymore. Difficulty levels were already there, and they could have been slightly tweaked or they could have added some selectable modifiers for elite players looking for a challenge. But nooo they have to ruin the game for casual players...

Multiple conqueror here. The game is not fun anymore. Gm was a good challenge but capping light in seasonal and exotic missions and now Master content is just not it. It seemed good on paper but experiencing it is terrible. But they always listen to world champ raiders and content creators instead of the Full community.

Opinion? These changes will wreck the replay ability of this game overall (slogfest), and a lot of activities will not be accessible to casual players…EVER. Someone please explain how this is good for the game moving forward?

[quote]You really need to hire someone with experience in MMORPG development, because loot system is very strange and outdated in most activities.[/quote] It's not really the loot system. It's your bog standard garbage or gold (somewhere like 98% garbage, 2% gold) system, but it's the progression. I grind pinnacles so I have a fighting chance at an activity, but even over time I can't overlevel so I feel like my guardian got stronger? And yeah, you know, all the stuff you said about the mid level difficulties being useless now. This is probably the most confused I've seen the game identity wise. WTF are we even playing anymore?

This new "version" of destiny is just complete unfiltered -blam!-. I am willing to bet my life that Lightfall was originally designed as a season that Bungie slapped a story onto and called an annual DLC. Nah, I want a refund. I slogged through legend campaign, which was the biggest pile of flaming dogshit I've ever had the misfortune of experiencing. I've gone from planning my time after work to play an hour or two of Destiny, to trying to put off as many chores as I can, so I have an excuse NOT TO PLAY DESTINY. -blam!- YOU, -blam!- YOUR ARTIFICIALLY DIFFICULT -blam!-, AND I HOPE YOUR ENTIRE COMPANY GOES BANKRUPT. You haven't made a decent decision since Reach, stop making games, you aren't even -blam!- mediocre anymore, you pathetic embarrassment.

Just tried the new defiance battleground and it made me close the app after getting lag yeeted multiple times and everybody dying at final boss phase multiple times. It's ridiculous, too many enemies in too little enclosed spaces with majors that eat entire supers and spit out the area damage and kill you. -blam!- this -blam!-

Plenty of high level experience Gotta say the jump from Hero to Legend is pretty jarring right now. And like you said there doesn't really seem to be any reason for to run Master content that aren't Dungeon/Raids. Lost Sectors lost a lot of appeal for me, going from a fun brain-off time trial to a slog, maybe they'll feel better after more leveling tho The worst offense for this new system to me tho is languishing primary archetypes. Tried Legend Proving Grounds with Round Robin and had an awful plink-plonk time. Feels like you're required to use Scouts, Bows, SMGs, Sidearms, or an Exotic Primary if you want a weapon that doesn't take an eternity to kill a minor enemy

It’s even worse in legend dares. Scales to number of players. People hated this stuff in borderlands and opted to mostly solo because of it. I dunno why Bungie thought it was a good idea.

I'm glad you mentioned the score system.. My fire team ran a 1770 nightfall last week to check out the difficulty level, we all were about 1780 odd power. We steam rolled it and got a score of about 107 k, then jumped into a story mission and struggled to hit 60 k on the same level 1770. We loaded up the 1830 version and had to slog our way through it and Bearley made the 100k we was 100270. I no there was less enemy density but there was far more yellow bars, some of the numbers coming up for kills we're atrocious. We actually thought it might be bugged.

Yep, it's mental that you don't hit 250k in dares automatically.

Amen.

Instead of a guaranteed drop they should just bring skeleton keys back along with more strike specific weapons n armour

The LL change for “difficulty” did make GMs less unique in LLs but it still got extinguished though so there’s that. Also, we got Legend/Legendary difficulty which got similar LL restriction but Legendary makes enemies tanks in a team and Legend is the same as NFs so they’re familiar already.